"Fraeye is proving moderately successful (compared to recent incumbents)"
what's his points per game ratio then compared to recent incumbents, without looking i reckon its the worse of the lot and i actually am not gonna jump one way or t'other without giving him some time to decide whether he's good bad or ugly
Fraeye is proving moderately successful (compared to recent incumbents)
Your point lost all credibility when you mentioned this pearl.
Look Lincs, if you want to Carry on wearing waistcoats to games then you carry on doing so. I can understand why past comments made you a little uncomfortable, but it really is nothing personal amongst the waistcoat wearers among us.....but please don't try and tell us Carol is doing a good job.
Credibility ? .. read the results: Can you not comprehend the word 'moderate' .. Are you saying that Luzon was 'more successful' than Fraeye ? .. don't make me laugh .. under Luzon, we beat Hull on 22/8 .. after that, until he was sacked at the end of October, Luzon's record was: LDLLLDLLL ... If 'we' assume that Fraeye took over on 31/10 at Middlesbrough, though I think he was appointed after that game, his record to date is: LLWWLLD ... NOT especially inspiring BUT this includes away losses at two of the top three clubs & wins against improvers in Brum and Owls .. and as to ME wearing waistcoats ? .. only to weddings and funerals .. AND I WILL TRY to tell you that Fraeye is (so far) doing a decent job .. anyway, I presume you're a member of the 'we're doomed society' .. good luck with that .. keep smiling
Fraeye is proving moderately successful (compared to recent incumbents) as the manager of CAFC much to the consternation of 'regime haters', those who despise the owner who appointed him .. SOOOO .. let's find something negative, something irrelevant, something ostensibly humorous, something 'different' to take the piss about .. I know ... Fraeye's waistcoat .. f f s .. never mind the football, let's all watch 'the dugout' for some outlandish fashion indicators, something tenuous, something else to help throw negative vibes at the people who own and run the club .. anything other than seeing positives
"Moderately successful"??? Won 2, drawn 1, lost 4. Seven games and seven points. How is that in any way successful? It's relegation form!
Fraeye is proving moderately successful (compared to recent incumbents) as the manager of CAFC much to the consternation of 'regime haters', those who despise the owner who appointed him .. SOOOO .. let's find something negative, something irrelevant, something ostensibly humorous, something 'different' to take the piss about .. I know ... Fraeye's waistcoat .. f f s .. never mind the football, let's all watch 'the dugout' for some outlandish fashion indicators, something tenuous, something else to help throw negative vibes at the people who own and run the club .. anything other than seeing positives
"Moderately successful"??? Won 2, drawn 1, lost 4. Seven games and seven points. How is that in any way successful? It's relegation form!
exactly and all previous managers have a better points return per game i'm sure over their tenure
Fraeye is proving moderately successful (compared to recent incumbents) as the manager of CAFC much to the consternation of 'regime haters', those who despise the owner who appointed him .. SOOOO .. let's find something negative, something irrelevant, something ostensibly humorous, something 'different' to take the piss about .. I know ... Fraeye's waistcoat .. f f s .. never mind the football, let's all watch 'the dugout' for some outlandish fashion indicators, something tenuous, something else to help throw negative vibes at the people who own and run the club .. anything other than seeing positives
"Moderately successful"??? Won 2, drawn 1, lost 4. Seven games and seven points. How is that in any way successful? It's relegation form!
as the PM is fond of saying during PMQs .. I refer you to the answer I gave above .. and a point a game over a season is 46 points, better that relegation form .. go on .. count 'em yourself
over the last 20 seasons in the second tier of English football a point per game ratio would have guaranteed to keep you up 6 out of those 20 seasons
we're not talking 'guarantees' .. I'm sure that 46 points has more often than not, been enough to avoid relegation .. report back with the actuality .. I am busting to find out
over the last 20 seasons in the second tier of English football a point per game ratio would have guaranteed to keep you up 6 out of those 20 seasons
we're not talking 'guarantees' .. I'm sure that 46 points has more often than not, been enough to avoid relegation .. report back with the actuality .. I am busting to find out
out of the last twenty seasons in Championship football 10 times relegation would have been guaranteed with 46 points, 4 times you would have been level and it would come down to goal difference and 6 times you would have survived that is the actuality of what happened
over the last 20 seasons in the second tier of English football a point per game ratio would have guaranteed to keep you up 6 out of those 20 seasons
we're not talking 'guarantees' .. I'm sure that 46 points has more often than not, been enough to avoid relegation .. report back with the actuality .. I am busting to find out
Six times is not more than 14 times...
How bad have things got when we're debating whether a point a game on average should be considered "moderately successful" for a Charlton manager.
Maybe this is what Katrien means when she considers all of her and Roland's decisions moderately right.
over the last 20 seasons in the second tier of English football a point per game ratio would have guaranteed to keep you up 6 out of those 20 seasons
we're not talking 'guarantees' .. I'm sure that 46 points has more often than not, been enough to avoid relegation .. report back with the actuality .. I am busting to find out
I've gone back as far as the 1995/96 season. The following clubs have all been relegated from the second tier on 46 points or more.
Barnsley Bury Crewe Alexandra Gillingham Grimsby Town Huddersfield Town Leicester City Luton Town Manchester City Millwall Norwich City Peterborough United Scunthorpe United Sheffield Wednesday x 2 Stoke City Walsall x 2 Wolverhampton Wanderers
over the last 20 seasons in the second tier of English football a point per game ratio would have guaranteed to keep you up 6 out of those 20 seasons
we're not talking 'guarantees' .. I'm sure that 46 points has more often than not, been enough to avoid relegation .. report back with the actuality .. I am busting to find out
Seeing as the club are telling us that their definition of success is to be a 'competitive championship club with premier league ambitions' then a point per game cannot be considered even moderately successful as it will mean that we are struggling to compete, we have Premier League pipe dreams and in all likelihood are about to become a competitive League One club (with Championship ambitions).
since 3 points for a win came in the highest placed relegation team in the second tier of english football has more often than not had a better than point per game ratio
Credibility ? .. read the results: Can you not comprehend the word 'moderate' .. Are you saying that Luzon was 'more successful' than Fraeye ? .. don't make me laugh .. under Luzon, we beat Hull on 22/8 .. after that, until he was sacked at the end of October, Luzon's record was: LDLLLDLLL ... If 'we' assume that Fraeye took over on 31/10 at Middlesbrough, though I think he was appointed after that game, his record to date is: LLWWLLD ... NOT especially inspiring BUT this includes away losses at two of the top three clubs & wins against improvers in Brum and Owls .. and as to ME wearing waistcoats ? .. only to weddings and funerals .. AND I WILL TRY to tell you that Fraeye is (so far) doing a decent job .. anyway, I presume you're a member of the 'we're doomed society' .. good luck with that .. keep smiling
If you select the period you want then you can get the stats to agree with you, eg. KF has got 1 point from the last 3 games - meaning 0.33 points per game.
How about looking at Luzon over his whole tenure?
Neither were good managers really. But KF is certainly not better. We need a proper manager
Relegated teams (from Championship to League One)[edit]
Season
Clubs
2004–05 Gillingham (50), Nottingham Forest (44), Rotherham United (29) 2005–06 Crewe Alexandra (42), Millwall (40), Brighton & Hove Albion (38) 2006–07 Southend United (42), Luton Town (40), Leeds United (36) 2007–08 Leicester City (52), Scunthorpe United (46), Colchester United (38) 2008–09 Norwich City (46), Southampton (45), Charlton Athletic (39) 2009–10 Sheffield Wednesday (47), Plymouth Argyle (41), Peterborough United (34) 2010–11 Preston North End (42), Sheffield United (42), Scunthorpe United (42) 2011–12 Portsmouth (40), Coventry City (40), Doncaster Rovers (36) 2012–13 Peterborough United (54), Wolverhampton Wanderers (51), Bristol City (41) 2013–14 Doncaster Rovers (44), Barnsley (39), Yeovil Town (37) 2014–15 Millwall (41), Wigan Athletic (39), Blackpool (26)
This is the actuality over that past 10 seasons .. I am quite surprised that 46 points has not been enough in so many cases .. 33 cases .. 5 from 33 were relegated with more than 46 points .. 2 relegated with 46 .. 7 from 33 .. so the odds of being relegated with 46 points, that is a point per game are 33/7, about 4.5/1 or a 25%ish chance
BUT back to Fraeye, he has inherited less than a point a game .. he'll be judged on whether (waistcoat or not) he keeps us up .. I maintain, he's so far doing a decent job .. ask me again on December 29th after 3 hard games, including two away
Looks like Karels been given the job of manager of Crossbars on a full time basis this week, and gone out and bought himself a flashie new suit with his pay rise, given the fact he was wearing a waistcoat in the dugout, I thought I'd gone to a wedding for a moment.....
over the last 20 seasons in the second tier of English football a point per game ratio would have guaranteed to keep you up 6 out of those 20 seasons
we're not talking 'guarantees' .. I'm sure that 46 points has more often than not, been enough to avoid relegation .. report back with the actuality .. I am busting to find out
I've gone back as far as the 1995/96 season. The following clubs have all been relegated from the second tier on 46 points or more.
Barnsley Bury Crewe Alexandra Gillingham Grimsby Town Huddersfield Town Leicester City Luton Town Manchester City Millwall Norwich City Peterborough United Scunthorpe United Sheffield Wednesday x 2 Stoke City Walsall x 2 Wolverhampton Wanderers
so over 20 years that's 19 occasions .. 19 from 60 (or is it 57 ?) ... is roughly 30% .. a slightly worse/better, depending on your point of view, chance of relegation than my example of over 10 years .. so it's more accurate to say that a point a game is 'possible' relegation form .. I repeat that Fraeye inherited less than a point a game .. we will see .. .. anyway enough HUMOUR .. back to the important issue ... Carol's waistcoat .....
over the last 20 seasons in the second tier of English football a point per game ratio would have guaranteed to keep you up 6 out of those 20 seasons
we're not talking 'guarantees' .. I'm sure that 46 points has more often than not, been enough to avoid relegation .. report back with the actuality .. I am busting to find out
I've gone back as far as the 1995/96 season. The following clubs have all been relegated from the second tier on 46 points or more.
Barnsley Bury Crewe Alexandra Gillingham Grimsby Town Huddersfield Town Leicester City Luton Town Manchester City Millwall Norwich City Peterborough United Scunthorpe United Sheffield Wednesday x 2 Stoke City Walsall x 2 Wolverhampton Wanderers
so over 20 years that's 19 occasions .. 19 from 60 (or is it 57 ?) ... is roughly 30% .. a slightly worse/better, depending on your point of view, chance of relegation than my example of over 10 years .. so it's more accurate to say that a point a game is 'possible' relegation form .. I repeat that Fraeye inherited less than a point a game .. we will see .. .. anyway enough HUMOUR .. back to the important issue ... Carol's waistcoat .....
Add a second Barnsley to my list - they would have been relegated if Portsmouth didn't have a points deduction. 20 over the last 20 seasons.
over the last 20 seasons in the second tier of English football a point per game ratio would have guaranteed to keep you up 6 out of those 20 seasons
we're not talking 'guarantees' .. I'm sure that 46 points has more often than not, been enough to avoid relegation .. report back with the actuality .. I am busting to find out
I've gone back as far as the 1995/96 season. The following clubs have all been relegated from the second tier on 46 points or more.
Barnsley x2 Bury Crewe Alexandra Gillingham Grimsby Town Huddersfield Town Leicester City Luton Town Manchester City Millwall Norwich City Peterborough United Scunthorpe United Sheffield Wednesday x 2 Stoke City Walsall x 2 Wolverhampton Wanderers
Over the same period, here is the full list of all clubs that have stayed up despite having 46 points or fewer
So in summary, after 35 posts today, all we have established is that Karel has been moderately successful only at wearing a waistcoat... and even that is debatable.
Is being a fashionista relevant. Nope but it he was winning every week it would be a moot point. Until then. A new proven manager at this level (in England) not necessarily English is what's needed. Come on Roland if we go down it may possibly hurt you more than us. In the wallet at least. We'll all be at £14 ticket games whilst you're nursing a financial fuck up. Our stock will end up, buy one take as many as you want free.
Relegated teams (from Championship to League One)[edit]
Season
Clubs
2004–05 Gillingham (50), Nottingham Forest (44), Rotherham United (29) 2005–06 Crewe Alexandra (42), Millwall (40), Brighton & Hove Albion (38) 2006–07 Southend United (42), Luton Town (40), Leeds United (36) 2007–08 Leicester City (52), Scunthorpe United (46), Colchester United (38) 2008–09 Norwich City (46), Southampton (45), Charlton Athletic (39) 2009–10 Sheffield Wednesday (47), Plymouth Argyle (41), Peterborough United (34) 2010–11 Preston North End (42), Sheffield United (42), Scunthorpe United (42) 2011–12 Portsmouth (40), Coventry City (40), Doncaster Rovers (36) 2012–13 Peterborough United (54), Wolverhampton Wanderers (51), Bristol City (41) 2013–14 Doncaster Rovers (44), Barnsley (39), Yeovil Town (37) 2014–15 Millwall (41), Wigan Athletic (39), Blackpool (26)
This is the actuality over that past 10 seasons .. I am quite surprised that 46 points has not been enough in so many cases .. 33 cases .. 5 from 33 were relegated with more than 46 points .. 2 relegated with 46 .. 7 from 33 .. so the odds of being relegated with 46 points, that is a point per game are 33/7, about 4.5/1 or a 25%ish chance
BUT back to Fraeye, he has inherited less than a point a game .. he'll be judged on whether (waistcoat or not) he keeps us up .. I maintain, he's so far doing a decent job .. ask me again on December 29th after 3 hard games, including two away
Sorry Lincs, but this guy is not worthy of being our manager.
Although with his background he is doing very well, so far anyway.
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what's his points per game ratio then compared to recent incumbents, without looking i reckon its the worse of the lot
and i actually am not gonna jump one way or t'other without giving him some time to decide whether he's good bad or ugly
Look Lincs, if you want to Carry on wearing waistcoats to games then you carry on doing so. I can understand why past comments made you a little uncomfortable, but it really is nothing personal amongst the waistcoat wearers among us.....but please don't try and tell us Carol is doing a good job.
How bad have things got when we're debating whether a point a game on average should be considered "moderately successful" for a Charlton manager.
Maybe this is what Katrien means when she considers all of her and Roland's decisions moderately right.
Barnsley
Bury
Crewe Alexandra
Gillingham
Grimsby Town
Huddersfield Town
Leicester City
Luton Town
Manchester City
Millwall
Norwich City
Peterborough United
Scunthorpe United
Sheffield Wednesday x 2
Stoke City
Walsall x 2
Wolverhampton Wanderers
How about looking at Luzon over his whole tenure?
Neither were good managers really. But KF is certainly not better. We need a proper manager
Season
Clubs
2004–05 Gillingham (50), Nottingham Forest (44), Rotherham United (29)
2005–06 Crewe Alexandra (42), Millwall (40), Brighton & Hove Albion (38)
2006–07 Southend United (42), Luton Town (40), Leeds United (36)
2007–08 Leicester City (52), Scunthorpe United (46), Colchester United (38)
2008–09 Norwich City (46), Southampton (45), Charlton Athletic (39)
2009–10 Sheffield Wednesday (47), Plymouth Argyle (41), Peterborough United (34)
2010–11 Preston North End (42), Sheffield United (42), Scunthorpe United (42)
2011–12 Portsmouth (40), Coventry City (40), Doncaster Rovers (36)
2012–13 Peterborough United (54), Wolverhampton Wanderers (51), Bristol City (41)
2013–14 Doncaster Rovers (44), Barnsley (39), Yeovil Town (37)
2014–15 Millwall (41), Wigan Athletic (39), Blackpool (26)
This is the actuality over that past 10 seasons .. I am quite surprised that 46 points has not been enough in so many cases .. 33 cases .. 5 from 33 were relegated with more than 46 points .. 2 relegated with 46 .. 7 from 33 .. so the odds of being relegated with 46 points, that is a point per game are 33/7, about 4.5/1 or a 25%ish chance
BUT back to Fraeye, he has inherited less than a point a game .. he'll be judged on whether (waistcoat or not) he keeps us up .. I maintain, he's so far doing a decent job .. ask me again on December 29th after 3 hard games, including two away
.. anyway enough HUMOUR .. back to the important issue ... Carol's waistcoat .....
Birmingham City
Blackpool
Rotherham United*
* finished on 46 points after a 3 point deduction
Although with his background he is doing very well, so far anyway.
"Draw in a waistcoat, we only draw in a waistcoat"