Really??? He was outstanding for us and was getting rave reviews at QPR at first. Let's see
I heard from a QPR fan at work that he's just not getting selected at the moment and he's "useless", which I find hard to believe. Hope he's just trying to wind me up!
Would love to see JC do well.
He's winding you up.
He's been injured for about 9 months. About ready to come back. I live in NW London and have got a few QPR mates and they really rate him and can't wait until he is back.
He was always a centre back at younger age groups when he captained England - how would he have ended had he been used in that position? Better off than a centre midfielder maybe?
He was brilliant, his sheer energy and aggression forgave a slightly slower than average footballing brain. I hope he cracks the QPR first team and kicks on his career
A decent player, but I never though he was outstanding, as to me he's a typical British midfielder, lots of running, energy and workrate, but without that class on the ball to take him to the next level.
Having said that Jordan Henderson has captained England based on those attributes...
He was always a centre back at younger age groups when he captained England - how would he have ended had he been used in that position? Better off than a centre midfielder maybe?
I watched some of the England youth games when he was playing, was used at CB. RB and CM even back then.
Don't think he's good enough in the air for CB and his energy would be waste there.
A decent player, but I never though he was outstanding, as to me he's a typical British midfielder, lots of running, energy and workrate, but without that class on the ball to take him to the next level.
Having said that Jordan Henderson has captained England based on those attributes...
I think you're spot on. He is a standard English modern player. Athletic, good work rate and can run all day, but will never have the guile or class on the ball to elevate themselves to the top level. Interestingly, when you go up a level to the premier league, they're just better versions of what Jordan Cousins is. So even our top players don't have that special something needed to do it at the top level
I think he is class. Agree he has some limitations but he has enough attributes to succeed. Will have a good career in the championship as a CM. Not sure he will make the step up to the prem unless it is as a RB which I actually thibk is his best position.
Rightly didn't play there much for us partly due to the silly factor and partly due to the fact we never had many midfield options and he would have been wasted at rb.
I think he is class. Agree he has some limitations but he has enough attributes to succeed. Will have a good career in the championship as a CM. Not sure he will make the step up to the prem unless it is as a RB which I actually thibk is his best position.
Rightly didn't play there much for us partly due to the silly factor and partly due to the fact we never had many midfield options and he would have been wasted at rb.
I think he is class. Agree he has some limitations but he has enough attributes to succeed. Will have a good career in the championship as a CM. Not sure he will make the step up to the prem unless it is as a RB which I actually thibk is his best position.
Rightly didn't play there much for us partly due to the silly factor and partly due to the fact we never had many midfield options and he would have been wasted at rb.
I have watched a lot of Cousins through the years and I have to say he is very ordinary. He has great stamina and speed around the pitch but hasn't got the creativity that you need from a great midfield player.
I have watched a lot of Cousins through the years and I have to say he is very ordinary. He has great stamina and speed around the pitch but hasn't got the creativity that you need from a great midfield player.
He's certainly no hero He did well for us during a time we had very few decent players.
Decent player with box to box engine but hardly great in any sense of the word. Did well enough for us at the time. I wish him well but Charlton hero....not a chance.
He had good spirit and got up and down the pitch well, but usually the quickest way to lose the ball was to give it to him. JFC is a much, much better footballer
I can understand why people like him as a player. He does the work of two men in midfield, running around, breaking up play. I expect his team-mates love him for the work he gets through. Every team needs one, but I always saw him as a fetch & carry player. Not enough creativity and not enough goals in his game. He also seemed slightly clumsy and out of control of his limbs to me, tearing round the pitch, falling over.
I hope his move to QPR works out as he seemed like a nice lad and I can't blame him for leaving Charlton which was a badly run nuthouse when he went.
He is an artisan rather than an artist. It has got nothing to do with him leaving. I thought he was ordinary when he was with us. Just my considered opinion.
I liked him as a player and both Stephens and Jackson looked twice the player with Jordan alongside one or the other of them doing the running.
He is definitely a good Championship player and with the right players around him could even progress beyond that. He certainly has the attitude and application to make the best of his talent.
He is an artisan rather than an artist. It has got nothing to do with him leaving. I thought he was ordinary when he was with us. Just my considered opinion.
I agree but never underestimate the artisan. Especially one that is proven at a higher level than we are at now.
Excellent player at Championship level who I'd have back in our league one squad in a flash.
Hope he gets back to full fitness soon.
That must be why his transfer value has gone down since he left us He's also only played 21 games since leaving us.
QPR fans I work with say that he's okay as an option but not a first team option even when fit.
So maybe it's not just us Charlton fans.
I liked his dedicated, give all approach, but he was rated so highly only because of the players around him... Well in my opinion at least.
How has his transfer value gone down? Please don't tell me you are using transfer market?
And only 21 games? is that maybe because he's been injured.
Like your blinkered attempts to portray Philips as a liability you are dredging the bottom of the barrel to not prove your point
Phillips.... really.... that's your defence? I don't rate Phillips, it is true. However I don't particularly rate Amos either.
I've not ever said Phillips will never be good enough... I have simply said he's not as good as Amos right now in my opinion.
Anyway Neither are as good as any of the following were: Pope, Henderson, Hamer, Randolph, or Elliott. (I could go on but these were the lesser keepers of my time as a fan.)
Back to Cousins before you derail the thread to focus on my view Phillips...
He was our player of the season those seasons he won it for a reason. Hard work and determination, but he was no hero and he never looked close to players like Buyens, Jackson or Ajderavic in terms of skill on the ball, passing vision or ability to win the ball remaining on his feet. (okay he was better at that than Ajderavic)
It's not like anyone on here is disputing what he did best, close down players and get around the pitch faster than even our wingers at the time (also nabbed some decent goals).
But he just wasn't the player some seem to remember him as.
Cousins is average - who are we comparing to? Average in the Championship, he'd be very good in this league although perhaps not suited to KRs style where he'd probably prefer someone more technical.
He's not a great passer, goalscorer or creative player but he'll do well alongside players that offer that, adding the pace and energy those players tend to lack at the level we're playing at.
Would have been a better option instead of Crofts last season!!
Undeniably so. I'd have him in this current team any day of the week, under another manager as he has the physicality and fitness to play well in this league.
Arguably KR would not see the value in him, however I don't often see the value in KR's game plans.
Then we play a short sharp fast passing game that builds up to a goal and I'm reminded this is what he's added that none of the post Powell managers have (bar Riga stint 1).
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Don't think that can be used as an excuse or reason especially as he never had to "endure a court case" as it never got anywhere near that far.
He's been injured for about 9 months. About ready to come back. I live in NW London and have got a few QPR mates and they really rate him and can't wait until he is back.
I thought it had gone to court and then been thrown out, obviously not.
Having said that Jordan Henderson has captained England based on those attributes...
Don't think he's good enough in the air for CB and his energy would be waste there.
Rightly didn't play there much for us partly due to the silly factor and partly due to the fact we never had many midfield options and he would have been wasted at rb.
Excellent player at Championship level who I'd have back in our league one squad in a flash.
Hope he gets back to full fitness soon.
QPR fans I work with say that he's okay as an option but not a first team option even when fit.
So maybe it's not just us Charlton fans.
I liked his dedicated, give all approach, but he was rated so highly only because of the players around him... Well in my opinion at least.
I hope his move to QPR works out as he seemed like a nice lad and I can't blame him for leaving Charlton which was a badly run nuthouse when he went.
And only 21 games? is that maybe because he's been injured.
Like your blinkered attempts to portray Philips as a liability you are dredging the bottom of the barrel to not prove your point
He's just a modern day Darren Pitcher
He is definitely a good Championship player and with the right players around him could even progress beyond that. He certainly has the attitude and application to make the best of his talent.
I've not ever said Phillips will never be good enough... I have simply said he's not as good as Amos right now in my opinion.
Anyway Neither are as good as any of the following were:
Pope, Henderson, Hamer, Randolph, or Elliott. (I could go on but these were the lesser keepers of my time as a fan.)
Back to Cousins before you derail the thread to focus on my view Phillips...
He was our player of the season those seasons he won it for a reason. Hard work and determination, but he was no hero and he never looked close to players like Buyens, Jackson or Ajderavic in terms of skill on the ball, passing vision or ability to win the ball remaining on his feet. (okay he was better at that than Ajderavic)
It's not like anyone on here is disputing what he did best, close down players and get around the pitch faster than even our wingers at the time (also nabbed some decent goals).
But he just wasn't the player some seem to remember him as.
He's not a great passer, goalscorer or creative player but he'll do well alongside players that offer that, adding the pace and energy those players tend to lack at the level we're playing at.
Arguably KR would not see the value in him, however I don't often see the value in KR's game plans.
Then we play a short sharp fast passing game that builds up to a goal and I'm reminded this is what he's added that none of the post Powell managers have (bar Riga stint 1).
He has changed our game positively.