Republican Party in despair over Trump’s extreme behaviour. In unrelated news, Frankenstein in despair over monster’s extreme behaviour.
Exactly, even fellow republicans have had enough.. But knobheads on here still think he is the only option to run one of the biggest armies in the world
So that we're clear, this notion of debt being unconcerning to the Democrats is nonsense. Our debt started with Reaganomics ($2t) and grew under the illegal wars of W., and we now have DoD spending we're committed to that is a massive problem. It's a tactic used by both sides when there is proposed spending on things (weapons, healthcare) that they don't support.
@BR7_addick I haven't heard anyone sensible say that "Trump is worse than ISIS." I don't listen to the MSNBCs of the world, the deeply partisan news outlets may say such things. The concern is that his economic politics are ridiculous. He's talking about the largest infrastructure effort since maybe the Hoover Dam, and has no way of backing that up And his racism, he has been openly bigoted to Muslims, Hispanics, women, and various others. So we're clear, the States is already a deeply bigoted country, Trump did not invent this, he's not even the first national politician to play on it, he's just the current one playing on it the most.
He has also talked about going toe to toe with Putin, which is unlikely, but given that Putin seems to want another Cold War of sorts, Trump seems more than willing to play into his hand.
Also, I mean the underlying psychosis of it all came out the other night when he talked about himself as not having a small cock. I mean that seems to be what it's really about, who can grab this meat and two veg the most.
Another interesting question is, how dangerous is ISIS to the States? The answer is, thus far, not very.
Whoever said Trump was winding up "PC Lefties," so that we're clear, he's a bigot. And you're correct, he is in fact "not PC," but the only time I ever hear anyone say they're "not PC" or discuss political correctness at all, is when they want to say or be bigoted. Trump has treated women, Muslims, Hispanics, and Jews (honestly probably more, I've lost track) as second class or somehow lesser citizens. That's what people are concern by. I don't buy into the notion that he's "Hitler-esque," but there is a lot of room between Nazism and returning a racist to the White House who will further a caste system based on race and gender.
Lastly, Australia, @queensland_addick@Ormiston Addick fuck off and get your own thread! If I wanted to learn about Australian politics, I'd vote to have America invade them. Fortunately for you, we do not have a particularly good record with large, barren countries high in temperature.
F**k off? Charming! Anyway SDAddick there are very disturbing links between our former fraudster PM Gillard and her friends the Clintons that require further exposure.
CHIA (Clinton HIV/Aids Initiative) was disbanded and deregistered in Dec 2007, for failing to file annual reports.
CHIA (Clinton Health Access Initiative) notice the difference, clever eh? was then reregistered in 2010.
Between this period 2008 to 2010, the Gillard government pumped around 70,000,000 (Seventy Million Dollars) in aid (taxpayers money), into a non existent Clinton entity (It didn't exist, it had been deregisterd in Dec 2007)!
Despite repeated requests for answers from the office of current Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop, the questions of why did this money continue to be paid and to whom? under the Gillard administration, remain unanswered by the current Liberal Government Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, who are being extremely evasive in their answers.
Yet another example of how the political establishment collude and cover each others backs, whilst us tax payers are left to pick up the tab.
Now I don't know about you SD, but I am sick to death of corrupt fraudsters, shonks and liars (from the left or the right) running the joint into the ground at our expense, whilst attempting to pull the wool over our eyes.
All of which leads us neatly back to Trump and the very reason why the world needs leaders who are not in the pockets of Unions, Corporations or any other major source of funding. Someone who can speak freely and do what is right for the country, rather than their own vested interests.
@queensland_addick Apologies mate, was genuinely just being silly. I did follow the train of thought you were on. My comments were meant 100% tongue-in-cheak.
I am a huge believer in removing private campaign contributions from elections. We will not see any sort of significant change in our politicians (and their efficacy) until we do so. Unfortunately, money has been equated to free speech, which makes it a long road ahead.
Just because Trump is in part self-financed (and most of the money he's spent on his own campaign has been in the form of loans to his campaign), does not make him his own man. He is still VERY much for large corporations. His ability to "say what he wants" is limited to social matters, and the ability to dig out anyone who disagrees with him. Best of luck finding any sort of viable economic or tax plan in there.
No worries SD, I do appreciate the apology. I did wonder if perhaps you were jesting, considering all your other posts have been polite and very well argued. Unlike certain others of the left on this forum, who tend to enter the debate with obscenities and then leave with insults.
No worries SD, I do appreciate the apology. I did wonder if perhaps you were jesting, considering all your other posts have been polite and very well argued. Unlike certain others of the left on this forum, who tend to enter the debate with obscenities and then leave with insults.
And calling people "knobheads" when confronted with a point of view for which they have no answer.
Let's face it guys, the American Dream, a big part of which was social mobility and the opportunity to pursue wealth may not be totally dead but is certainly on life support. It's this which is the country's big problem. Not Islamic terrorists or Mexican illegals.
I read somewhere recently, probably in the Economist, that there is, now, only one place where you have a fairly good chance of actually achieving the American Dream: it's called Europe. (I guess that's one reason why we are so popular to economic migrants.)
But, back to the USA, a country I am very fond of, basically and in a language they'd understand, they are going to hell in a handcart. We're talking about a country where around 20mn of its residents live in a caravan. Usually a pretty unpleasant one too. Where one third of its kids are overweight or obese but they still think it's a good idea to bus them to school. And then trash their spacial awareness by making all traffic stop while the buses disgorge their piles of blubber.
Meanwhile the average age of an American's car is 11.5 years and rising. (By comparison, in the UK it's 7.5). American cars, too, are not the fully loaded expensive models we've come to demand in the UK but rather an inferior version with less of the gizmos and a wheezing engine - oh what happened to the glorious V8s? Their actual houses tend to be made of some softwood covered in a lot of Tyvec and clad in plastic, their power cables adorn every street (too expensive to put them underground) and fall down when there's the first winter storm.
For years and strangely usually at the behest of its citizens the USA has been focussing on entirely the wrong things. We aspire (however longingly) to the expensive. They demand the cheap, which is why t-shirts are now made in China or Vietnam and last about a week or so. America, whatever happened to the crafted US Cotton T-shirt which was beautifully made and would last longer than a Dodge Ram? Frankly, I think they are in a bad place and no matter who they get as President it will only get worse. No country, where 90% of the population owns a bible and 50% of them believe in a literal interpretation of it, has a snowball in hell's chance of ultimate success. God Bless America cos they are going to need all the help they can get once the mineral wealth is played out.
(A small illustration of what's wrong with America. Mrs cafcfan has for years had a pair of excellent eyebrow tweezers. The brand is TRIM, they were made by a company called W E Bassett in the USA. On a recent trip to the States she bought some replacements. They looked the part but, and thanks to Neil Young for the song title, they were a Piece of Crap. Guess what, the new ones are made in China. Subsequent research shows that W E Bassett got bought out by a giant cosmetics company, it's production line in Connecticut shut down and production switched out. Guess what, too, Mrs cafcfan will not be buying any more of their products.)
That is a very interesting perspective. I would like to know what limeygent and SD think.
No worries SD, I do appreciate the apology. I did wonder if perhaps you were jesting, considering all your other posts have been polite and very well argued. Unlike certain others of the left on this forum, who tend to enter the debate with obscenities and then leave with insults.
I have been known to call a few "fascists" . But again, all in jest. I like the fact that there are a few who I disagree with politically (BR7, FA, yourself) but whom I tend to agree with in footballing matters. Name calling isn't really my thing (I can be petulant and condescendingly incredulous though). I'm always really pleased at how civil things are on here. I do really enjoy articulate discussion. It's been missing from American political discussion for a long time (left and right, and when George W. Bush was president I was certainly guilty of this). So it's nice to have this as an outlet.
Again, apologies for the mix-up. If I ever mention American stereotypes-such as learning about countries through invasion-I assure you it's done sarcastically, but you weren't to know that.
@ShootersHillGuru@cafcfan CAFC yours is an incredibly interesting post, and something I wrote some on at university, and could probably do a thesis on the topic of the American dream. I wrote about this somewhere else, so I'm going to try and plagiarize myself a bit, but a lot of thoughts on this. May have to wait until after the match, but thank you for you insight and observation.
So much wrong in that post, will address later. A wind up, surely.
Yes, it must be a wind up. I've lived in the States for nigh on 33 years (with a couple of blips) and it all seems the same to me over here. Still the land of the free and, if you want to get on you will. My visits back to England on the other hand.....
Don't get me wrong, I love England because that's my roots but I don't think things have changed much.
(A small illustration of what's wrong with America. Mrs cafcfan has for years had a pair of excellent eyebrow tweezers. The brand is TRIM, they were made by a company called W E Bassett in the USA. On a recent trip to the States she bought some replacements. They looked the part but, and thanks to Neil Young for the song title, they were a Piece of Crap. Guess what, the new ones are made in China. Subsequent research shows that W E Bassett got bought out by a giant cosmetics company, it's production line in Connecticut shut down and production switched out. Guess what, too, Mrs cafcfan will not be buying any more of their products.)
(A small illustration of what's wrong with America. Mrs cafcfan has for years had a pair of excellent eyebrow tweezers. The brand is TRIM, they were made by a company called W E Bassett in the USA. On a recent trip to the States she bought some replacements. They looked the part but, and thanks to Neil Young for the song title, they were a Piece of Crap. Guess what, the new ones are made in China. Subsequent research shows that W E Bassett got bought out by a giant cosmetics company, it's production line in Connecticut shut down and production switched out. Guess what, too, Mrs cafcfan will not be buying any more of their products.)
Wtf. Only on CharltonLife...
Not true. I've seen similar on tweezerlife, webassetnet and owlstalk
That is shittily-argued bollocks of the most appalling order, and the NYT is centrist by American standards which makes it right-wing by ours. Toodle-oo!
That is shittily-argued bollocks of the most appalling order, and the NYT is centrist by American standards which makes it right-wing by ours. Toodle-oo!
You would be expert, of course. The NYT is typical liberal left media, but this article is (surprisingly) accurate in my opinion. You can toodle-oo yourself.
I've been reading NYT articles for many years. It's bourgie-liberal which basically equates to centrist. As for that article, clearly posted to initiate the inevitable deluge of comments, it promulgates the great lie of our time: small government and deregulation helps small businesses and that beloved right-wing catchphrase 'hardworking families'. Maybe it'll help the tiny, tiny fraction of these businesses that become vast empires, but it will chew up and spit out everyone else. The American Dream is an ideological trap representing pure oligarchy and it suits those with extant means. What about the 'failures'? In a rigged game, even those with initiative, willpower and graft may fail. Yet in this game, failure is seen as the person's own fault, and their punishment, poverty, fitting of the crime. This is fucking abysmal shit of the highest order and it makes me fucking furious thinking about it. You'd really return to the complete deregulation of frontiersmanship, the Wild West, where those who prosper have the biggest guns, the most psychotic and single-minded pursuit of domination? Because that is the end-point of this nefarious and terrible argument, an argument that has no place in ANY modern civilisation. You are advocating tyranny, and the tragedy is that you think you're advocating fairness. There is nothing fair about what that excuse for a man is offering, only the safeguarding of the wealthy and the oppression of the poor.
Not really sure what we should make of Limey posting the NYT article. Is he advocating the article itself, albeit from a publication he obviously feels is a "rag" (do right wingers always call "leftie publications" rags?) or is he a fan of the comments, which seem to pull the article apart?
It's an opinion piece and makes no attempt to back up any of the arguments that it puts. Just one guy's opinion which a lot of other people disagree with. Sounds a lot like this place!
I do have another life, other than Charlton Life, so I won't ever get into long discussions with those with well-rehearsed extreme viewpoints as my own viewpoint is not extreme, and quite flexible. Neither will I, unless really pushed, dismiss another's point of view as "bollocks", as is the reactive and insulting norm of some on this forum. This morning, my beans on toast was much more important to me than picking apart a diatribe of manufactured and rehearsed extremism. My point of view is not complicated, I believe that government, as it has become, is too big, too expensive and too intrusive. I don't for one minute want to revert to the "Wild West", and accept that limited government is necessary for defense and infrastructure. I don't accept the point of view that if one fails, one is discarded or left behind, and I feel that the U.S. is remarkable in it's acceptance of failure, and that here everyone gets, at least, a second chance.
I do have another life, other than Charlton Life, so I won't ever get into long discussions with those with well-rehearsed extreme viewpoints as my own viewpoint is not extreme, and quite flexible. Neither will I, unless really pushed, dismiss another's point of view as "bollocks", as is the reactive and insulting norm of some on this forum. This morning, my beans on toast was much more important to me than picking apart a diatribe of manufactured and rehearsed extremism. My point of view is not complicated, I believe that government, as it has become, is too big, too expensive and too intrusive. I don't for one minute want to revert to the "Wild West", and accept that limited government is necessary for defense and infrastructure. I don't accept the point of view that if one fails, one is discarded or left behind, and I feel that the U.S. is remarkable in it's acceptance of failure, and that here everyone gets, at least, a second chance.
I do have another life, other than Charlton Life, so I won't ever get into long discussions with those with well-rehearsed extreme viewpoints as my own viewpoint is not extreme, and quite flexible. Neither will I, unless really pushed, dismiss another's point of view as "bollocks", as is the reactive and insulting norm of some on this forum. This morning, my beans on toast was much more important to me than picking apart a diatribe of manufactured and rehearsed extremism. My point of view is not complicated, I believe that government, as it has become, is too big, too expensive and too intrusive. I don't for one minute want to revert to the "Wild West", and accept that limited government is necessary for defense and infrastructure. I don't accept the point of view that if one fails, one is discarded or left behind, and I feel that the U.S. is remarkable in it's acceptance of failure, and that here everyone gets, at least, a second chance.
What about those that don't get a first chance ?
There are obviously a few who need looking after "cradle to grave".
I do have another life, other than Charlton Life, so I won't ever get into long discussions with those with well-rehearsed extreme viewpoints as my own viewpoint is not extreme, and quite flexible. Neither will I, unless really pushed, dismiss another's point of view as "bollocks", as is the reactive and insulting norm of some on this forum. This morning, my beans on toast was much more important to me than picking apart a diatribe of manufactured and rehearsed extremism. My point of view is not complicated, I believe that government, as it has become, is too big, too expensive and too intrusive. I don't for one minute want to revert to the "Wild West", and accept that limited government is necessary for defense and infrastructure. I don't accept the point of view that if one fails, one is discarded or left behind, and I feel that the U.S. is remarkable in it's acceptance of failure, and that here everyone gets, at least, a second chance.
What about those that don't get a first chance ?
There are obviously a few who need looking after "cradle to grave".
Or maybe those that are so discriminated against in terms of education that they never get a first chance.
I do have another life, other than Charlton Life, so I won't ever get into long discussions with those with well-rehearsed extreme viewpoints as my own viewpoint is not extreme, and quite flexible. Neither will I, unless really pushed, dismiss another's point of view as "bollocks", as is the reactive and insulting norm of some on this forum. This morning, my beans on toast was much more important to me than picking apart a diatribe of manufactured and rehearsed extremism. My point of view is not complicated, I believe that government, as it has become, is too big, too expensive and too intrusive. I don't for one minute want to revert to the "Wild West", and accept that limited government is necessary for defense and infrastructure. I don't accept the point of view that if one fails, one is discarded or left behind, and I feel that the U.S. is remarkable in it's acceptance of failure, and that here everyone gets, at least, a second chance.
What about those that don't get a first chance ?
There are obviously a few who need looking after "cradle to grave".
Or maybe those that are so discriminated against in terms of education that they never get a first chance.
I do have another life, other than Charlton Life, so I won't ever get into long discussions with those with well-rehearsed extreme viewpoints as my own viewpoint is not extreme, and quite flexible. Neither will I, unless really pushed, dismiss another's point of view as "bollocks", as is the reactive and insulting norm of some on this forum. This morning, my beans on toast was much more important to me than picking apart a diatribe of manufactured and rehearsed extremism. My point of view is not complicated, I believe that government, as it has become, is too big, too expensive and too intrusive. I don't for one minute want to revert to the "Wild West", and accept that limited government is necessary for defense and infrastructure. I don't accept the point of view that if one fails, one is discarded or left behind, and I feel that the U.S. is remarkable in it's acceptance of failure, and that here everyone gets, at least, a second chance.
What about those that don't get a first chance ?
There are obviously a few who need looking after "cradle to grave".
Or maybe those that are so discriminated against in terms of education that they never get a first chance.
Do you have first-hand knowledge of that?
Is that a serious question ? Why would I need to have first hand experience to know that the education system in the USA is racist and failing the black community. It's on record.
It's not the schools that are the problem. It's the inherent racism in the society that is the problem. It's a cultural thing unfortunately in some parts of the States. I believe it is getting better but it will be very slow.
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Exactly, even fellow republicans have had enough.. But knobheads on here still think he is the only option to run one of the biggest armies in the world
I am a huge believer in removing private campaign contributions from elections. We will not see any sort of significant change in our politicians (and their efficacy) until we do so. Unfortunately, money has been equated to free speech, which makes it a long road ahead.
Just because Trump is in part self-financed (and most of the money he's spent on his own campaign has been in the form of loans to his campaign), does not make him his own man. He is still VERY much for large corporations. His ability to "say what he wants" is limited to social matters, and the ability to dig out anyone who disagrees with him. Best of luck finding any sort of viable economic or tax plan in there.
Again, apologies for the mix-up. If I ever mention American stereotypes-such as learning about countries through invasion-I assure you it's done sarcastically, but you weren't to know that.
@ShootersHillGuru @cafcfan CAFC yours is an incredibly interesting post, and something I wrote some on at university, and could probably do a thesis on the topic of the American dream. I wrote about this somewhere else, so I'm going to try and plagiarize myself a bit, but a lot of thoughts on this. May have to wait until after the match, but thank you for you insight and observation.
Don't get me wrong, I love England because that's my roots but I don't think things have changed much.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/01/01/is-the-modern-american-dream-attainable/the-american-dream-is-alive
I've been reading NYT articles for many years. It's bourgie-liberal which basically equates to centrist. As for that article, clearly posted to initiate the inevitable deluge of comments, it promulgates the great lie of our time: small government and deregulation helps small businesses and that beloved right-wing catchphrase 'hardworking families'. Maybe it'll help the tiny, tiny fraction of these businesses that become vast empires, but it will chew up and spit out everyone else. The American Dream is an ideological trap representing pure oligarchy and it suits those with extant means. What about the 'failures'? In a rigged game, even those with initiative, willpower and graft may fail. Yet in this game, failure is seen as the person's own fault, and their punishment, poverty, fitting of the crime. This is fucking abysmal shit of the highest order and it makes me fucking furious thinking about it. You'd really return to the complete deregulation of frontiersmanship, the Wild West, where those who prosper have the biggest guns, the most psychotic and single-minded pursuit of domination? Because that is the end-point of this nefarious and terrible argument, an argument that has no place in ANY modern civilisation. You are advocating tyranny, and the tragedy is that you think you're advocating fairness. There is nothing fair about what that excuse for a man is offering, only the safeguarding of the wealthy and the oppression of the poor.
[re-toodle-oos]
You should calm yourself.
It's an opinion piece and makes no attempt to back up any of the arguments that it puts. Just one guy's opinion which a lot of other people disagree with. Sounds a lot like this place!
My point of view is not complicated, I believe that government, as it has become, is too big, too expensive and too intrusive. I don't for one minute want to revert to the "Wild West", and accept that limited government is necessary for defense and infrastructure. I don't accept the point of view that if one fails, one is discarded or left behind, and I feel that the U.S. is remarkable in it's acceptance of failure, and that here everyone gets, at least, a second chance.