Some people do want the club to fail (ie get relegated) don't they ?
Will you stop posting such inflammatory rubbish. I and other fans I know don't want us to fail. If we didn't care what happens to the Club we would not be protesting. It seems to me you post things just to get a reaction. Didn't your parents give you any attention as a child?
Don't get upset. What I say is true - and you know it.
What your saying is that you believe the club is currently in such a bad state of affairs that the fans are so desperate to not have this mob in control of our club, they would accept relegation with a heavy heart if it at least meant Roland Dutchatalet MIGHT F off and we can start again..
Is this true of false?
Or do Charlton fans just randomly now want the club to fail on every level because they hate Charlton and it's their fault they now feel dis-connected.
What one is it?
Not digging you out mate but you might as well at least explain your perspective. Get it out your system ya know.
Some people do want the club to fail (ie get relegated) don't they ?
Will you stop posting such inflammatory rubbish. I and other fans I know don't want us to fail. If we didn't care what happens to the Club we would not be protesting. It seems to me you post things just to get a reaction. Didn't your parents give you any attention as a child?
Don't get upset. What I say is true - and you know it.
What your saying is that you believe the club is currently in such a bad state of affairs that the fans are so desperate to not have this mob in control of our club, they would accept relegation with a heavy heart if it at least meant Roland Dutchatalet MIGHT F off and we can start again..
Is this true of false?
Or do Charlton fans just randomly now want the club to fail on every level because they hate Charlton and it's their fault they now feel dis-connected.
What one is it?
Not digging you out mate but you might as well at least explain your perspective. Get it out your system ya know.
If questions are being asked of PL54, perhaps also:-
Do you like the current ownership and think they are doing a superb job?
Did you entirely agree with the club's statement last Tuesday and believe that it was the correct thing to release?
Some people do want the club to fail (ie get relegated) don't they ?
Will you stop posting such inflammatory rubbish. I and other fans I know don't want us to fail. If we didn't care what happens to the Club we would not be protesting. It seems to me you post things just to get a reaction. Didn't your parents give you any attention as a child?
Don't get upset. What I say is true - and you know it.
What your saying is that you believe the club is currently in such a bad state of affairs that the fans are so desperate to not have this mob in control of our club, they would accept relegation with a heavy heart if it at least meant Roland Dutchatalet MIGHT F off and we can start again..
Is this true of false?
Or do Charlton fans just randomly now want the club to fail on every level because they hate Charlton and it's their fault they now feel dis-connected.
What one is it?
Not digging you out mate but you might as well at least explain your perspective. Get it out your system ya know.
If questions are being asked of PL54, perhaps also:-
Do you like the current ownership and think they are doing a superb job?
Did you entirely agree with the club's statement last Tuesday and believe that it was the correct thing to release?
while we're at it @PL54, Horse racing, good or bad?
I am flattered by all the interest in my viewpoint, I really am.
I posted my thoughts a little while back when asked by someone else and I can't be arsed to write it all out again but in summary:
Some good Some bad Mixed results of late RD has shown no intent to sell I believe there's quite a bit of "look at me" in and around the protests and a few personal agendas Not of high enough importance in my life to justify getting upset over
And the survey now conforms my assertions (above) that people want failure for the club.
I am flattered by all the interest in my viewpoint, I really am.
I posted my thoughts a little while back when asked by someone else and I can't be arsed to write it all out again but in summary:
Some good Some bad Mixed results of late RD has shown no intent to sell I believe there's quite a bit of "look at me" in and around the protests and a few personal agendas Not of high enough importance in my life to justify getting upset over
And the survey now conforms my assertions (above) that people want failure for the club.
I am flattered by all the interest in my viewpoint, I really am.
I posted my thoughts a little while back when asked by someone else and I can't be arsed to write it all out again but in summary:
Some good Some bad Mixed results of late RD has shown no intent to sell I believe there's quite a bit of "look at me" in and around the protests and a few personal agendas Not of high enough importance in my life to justify getting upset over
And the survey now conforms my assertions (above) that people want failure for the club.
PL54 I'm not sure how you define 'failure for the club.' Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war. From what I have read, this is what those who are prepared to accept relegation (which is nigh-on inevitable) have in mind.
For me, 'failure for the club' would be ignoring the history of CAFC, employing an incompetent CEO, loading the squad with inadequates, has beens and never-will-be players, having a carousel of coaches each of whom is said to be better than the last but who have proved themselves to be on a par with the CEO and treating CAFC as nothing more than a player-farm while the first team slides down the league and into anonymity.
As we all know that Duchatelet 'doesn't do failure' I must assume that the previous paragraph is his measure of success.
PL54 I'm not sure how you define 'failure for the club.' Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war. From what I have read, this is what those who are prepared to accept relegation (which is nigh-on inevitable) have in mind.
For me, 'failure for the club' would be ignoring the history of CAFC, employing an incompetent CEO, loading the squad with inadequates, has beens and never-will-be players, having a carousel of coaches each of whom is said to be better than the last but who have proved themselves to be on a par with the CEO and treating CAFC as nothing more than a player-farm while the first team slides down the league and into anonymity.
As we all know that Duchatelet 'doesn't do failure' I must assume that the previous paragraph is his measure of success.
Isn't that something that can only be determined with hindsight?
i mean, you can conclude that losing a certain battle led you to make the decisions that won the war but i don't think any war has been won by saying "lets give up on this battle, it'll make us stronger"
I am flattered by all the interest in my viewpoint, I really am.
I posted my thoughts a little while back when asked by someone else and I can't be arsed to write it all out again but in summary:
Some good Some bad Mixed results of late RD has shown no intent to sell I believe there's quite a bit of "look at me" in and around the protests and a few personal agendas Not of high enough importance in my life to justify getting upset over
And the survey now conforms my assertions (above) that people want failure for the club.
My phrase was intended to be the opposite of a Pyrrhic victory which is what Duchatelet seems to want. He might win in the short term by retaining control but I hope that he will realise that he is better off leaving. It was just a phrase to try and explain why fans aren't seeking 'failure for the club.'
I am flattered by all the interest in my viewpoint, I really am.
I posted my thoughts a little while back when asked by someone else and I can't be arsed to write it all out again but in summary:
Some good Some bad Mixed results of late RD has shown no intent to sell I believe there's quite a bit of "look at me" in and around the protests and a few personal agendas Not of high enough importance in my life to justify getting upset over
And the survey now conforms my assertions (above) that people want failure for the club.
If relegation forces the current owner to sell up or re-think his current plan then I am all for it, dress it up and call it what you want but that is my bottom line. In all my years of supporting Charlton I have never been so angry, frustrated and despondent all of which is being caused by the circus the current owners call a "plan"
I am also privy as to what goes on behind the scenes as well and the culling of the experienced staff, especially in the facility's department is very worrying indeed.
I saw my first home game in 1967, fifty years next year, traveled all around the country watching the lads well before the M25 and motorway service centers were built.
I went to Selhurst Park, I went to Upton Park, stood in the rain for as long as I can remember on the East terrace and got equally wet whilst having a half time piss due to the lack of a roof on the toilet.
I was on the pitch against Stoke, I was back on there clearing up and building the famous bonfire, I was inside Woolwich Town Hall and I had three season tickets in the North stand from the return game against Pompey whilst the East stand was being debated.
I have cried tears of joy supporting Charlton and I have cried tears of disappointment, there were times when I would have given a limb if it would have helped my beloved club achieve the ambitions I craved for the football club I love.
I am not sure what your agenda is PL54 but the laid back, nonchalant, sometimes sarcastic approach you portray in your comments do not apply to every supporter, and certainly not me.
I am exactly the type of "customer" that KM does not want around, Male, in my 50's and full of historic memories from my past of supporting Charlton Athletic.
Do I want Charlton to be relegated.............of course I don't, do I want to join the season ticket boycott next season..........of course I don't. However I cannot stand by and watch a loved one, which is what Charlton are to me be torn apart and to be made the laughing stock of English football by a man and a women who do not have a clue how to run an English football club.
Who are these "people?" Palace fans? Sheffield Wednesday fans apparently are cock-a-hoop at our impending relegation. Roland made this claim in his statement without expanding on it, but I haven't met these "people". They must be pretty influential and powerful, whoever they are, because the club is failing in every way imaginable. Power To The People?
I posted my thoughts a little while back when asked by someone else and I can't be arsed to write it all out again but in summary: Some good Some bad Mixed results of late RD has shown no intent to sell I
Wow. Earthshattering. You do have to wonder about the "look at me" though eh?
I am flattered by all the interest in my viewpoint, I really am.
I posted my thoughts a little while back when asked by someone else and I can't be arsed to write it all out again but in summary:
Some good Some bad Mixed results of late RD has shown no intent to sell I believe there's quite a bit of "look at me" in and around the protests and a few personal agendas Not of high enough importance in my life to justify getting upset over
And the survey now conforms my assertions (above) that people want failure for the club.
If relegation forces the current owner to sell up or re-think his current plan then I am all for it, dress it up and call it what you want but that is my bottom line. In all my years of supporting Charlton I have never been so angry, frustrated and despondent all of which is being caused by the circus the current owners call a "plan"
I am also privy as to what goes on behind the scenes as well and the culling of the experienced staff, especially in the facility's department is very worrying indeed.
I saw my first home game in 1967, fifty years next year, traveled all around the country watching the lads well before the M25 and motorway service centers were built.
I went to Selhurst Park, I went to Upton Park, stood in the rain for as long as I can remember on the East terrace and got equally wet whilst having a half time piss due to the lack of a roof on the toilet.
I was on the pitch against Stoke, I was back on there clearing up and building the famous bonfire, I was inside Woolwich Town Hall and I had three season tickets in the North stand from the return game against Pompey whilst the East stand was being debated.
I have cried tears of joy supporting Charlton and I have cried tears of disappointment, there were times when I would have given a limb if it would have helped my beloved club achieve the ambitions I craved for the football club I love.
I am not sure what your agenda is PL54 but the laid back, nonchalant, sometimes sarcastic approach you portray in your comments do not apply to every supporter, and certainly not me.
I am exactly the type of "customer" that KM does not want around, Male, in my 50's and full of historic memories from my past of supporting Charlton Athletic.
Do I want Charlton to be relegated.............of course I don't, do I want to join the season ticket boycott next season..........of course I don't. However I cannot stand by and watch a loved one, which is what Charlton are to me be torn apart and to be made the laughing stock of English football by a man and a women who do not have a clue how to run an English football club.
I am flattered by all the interest in my viewpoint, I really am.
I posted my thoughts a little while back when asked by someone else and I can't be arsed to write it all out again but in summary:
Some good Some bad Mixed results of late RD has shown no intent to sell I believe there's quite a bit of "look at me" in and around the protests and a few personal agendas Not of high enough importance in my life to justify getting upset over
And the survey now conforms my assertions (above) that people want failure for the club.
If relegation forces the current owner to sell up or re-think his current plan then I am all for it, dress it up and call it what you want but that is my bottom line. In all my years of supporting Charlton I have never been so angry, frustrated and despondent all of which is being caused by the circus the current owners call a "plan"
I am also privy as to what goes on behind the scenes as well and the culling of the experienced staff, especially in the facility's department is very worrying indeed.
I saw my first home game in 1967, fifty years next year, traveled all around the country watching the lads well before the M25 and motorway service centers were built.
I went to Selhurst Park, I went to Upton Park, stood in the rain for as long as I can remember on the East terrace and got equally wet whilst having a half time piss due to the lack of a roof on the toilet.
I was on the pitch against Stoke, I was back on there clearing up and building the famous bonfire, I was inside Woolwich Town Hall and I had three season tickets in the North stand from the return game against Pompey whilst the East stand was being debated.
I have cried tears of joy supporting Charlton and I have cried tears of disappointment, there were times when I would have given a limb if it would have helped my beloved club achieve the ambitions I craved for the football club I love.
I am not sure what your agenda is PL54 but the laid back, nonchalant, sometimes sarcastic approach you portray in your comments do not apply to every supporter, and certainly not me.
I am exactly the type of "customer" that KM does not want around, Male, in my 50's and full of historic memories from my past of supporting Charlton Athletic.
Do I want Charlton to be relegated.............of course I don't, do I want to join the season ticket boycott next season..........of course I don't. However I cannot stand by and watch a loved one, which is what Charlton are to me be torn apart and to be made the laughing stock of English football by a man and a women who do not have a clue how to run an English football club.
Heartfelt and passionate sentiments Mike. As for PL54, it's not of high enough importance in his life, which is fine we can't all feel the same - but you do have to wonder about the mentality of somebody who comes on to a dedicated Charlton Forum, where inevitably passions will run high, with the apparent intent stoking those emotions for his own amusement. When we finally see this crackpot dictatorship off, the victory will be sweeter for the likes of you Mike. Keep the faith
'The' statement on the official website mentions 'some wanting the club to fail' in the same paragraph as 'we want Charlton to remain in the championship'.
My opinion of this is that the club view failure as relegation which is the point PL54 was trying to make (I think, you do say some daft things but I'm happy to defend you here).
Roland doesn't do failure so if we are relegated he will be very determined to get us promoted to prove a point. I hate him but he ain't selling just yet so my only hope is he floods the squad with quality players next season and forgets all about the break even - ffp etc....
I am flattered by all the interest in my viewpoint, I really am.
I posted my thoughts a little while back when asked by someone else and I can't be arsed to write it all out again but in summary:
Some good Some bad Mixed results of late RD has shown no intent to sell I believe there's quite a bit of "look at me" in and around the protests and a few personal agendas Not of high enough importance in my life to justify getting upset over
And the survey now conforms my assertions (above) that people want failure for the club.
'The' statement on the official website mentions 'some wanting the club to fail' in the same paragraph as 'we want Charlton to remain in the championship'.
My opinion of this is that the club view failure as relegation which is the point PL54 was trying to make (I think, you do say some daft things but I'm happy to defend you here).
Roland doesn't do failure so if we are relegated he will be very determined to get us promoted to prove a point. I hate him but he ain't selling just yet so my only hope is he floods the squad with quality players next season and forgets all about the break even - ffp etc....
But he does do failure, you can't just 'not do failure' when it's already hit. It will have been a failure if he gets us relegated. Then it's all about facts and figures, he overspent heavily this season, he won't do the same this (and he'd need to overspend by a lot lot more). Unfortunately, if he's sticking around, we're not going to be heading anywhere positive soon.
That's just my opinion, not trying to part sides - but just think your only hope is one that would mean Roland becoming a different man - of which he won't. If he doesn't do failure then he's just done the impossible for himself. Roland does failure.
'The' statement on the official website mentions 'some wanting the club to fail' in the same paragraph as 'we want Charlton to remain in the championship'.
My opinion of this is that the club view failure as relegation which is the point PL54 was trying to make (I think, you do say some daft things but I'm happy to defend you here).
Roland doesn't do failure so if we are relegated he will be very determined to get us promoted to prove a point. I hate him but he ain't selling just yet so my only hope is he floods the squad with quality players next season and forgets all about the break even - ffp etc....
But he does do failure, you can't just 'not do failure' when it's already hit. It will have been a failure if he gets us relegated. Then it's all about facts and figures, he overspent heavily this season, he won't do the same this (and he'd need to overspend by a lot lot more). Unfortunately, if he's sticking around, we're not going to be heading anywhere positive soon.
That's just my opinion, not trying to part sides - but just think your only hope is one that would mean Roland becoming a different man - of which he won't. If he doesn't do failure then he's just done the impossible for himself. Roland does failure.
Ok. My only hope is that come January 2017 and we are very near to or bottom of league one, Roland floods the team with quality players and we stay up. I'm clutching at straws here and its only this hope or murder that keeps the faith alive (have we still got the coffin?)
Roland doesn't do failure so if we are relegated he will be very determined to get us promoted to prove a point. I hate him but he ain't selling just yet so my only hope is he floods the squad with quality players next season and forgets all about the break even - ffp etc....
Bizarre statement from Katrien as Uncle Roland does indeed do failure - other network clubs have been relegated, it's part of network life.
And fans of Standard Liege view mediocrity as failure too, they believe they should be challenging for honours.
Roland doesn't do failure so if we are relegated he will be very determined to get us promoted to prove a point. I hate him but he ain't selling just yet so my only hope is he floods the squad with quality players next season and forgets all about the break even - ffp etc....
Bizarre statement from Katrien as Uncle Roland does indeed do failure - other network clubs have been relegated, it's part of network life.
And fans of Standard Liege view mediocrity as failure too, they believe they should be challenging for honours.
I think they make it up as they go along. First thing that comes into their heads when answering interview questions or creating statements. There is no great plan. Just something for a rich man to do.
Roland doesn't do failure so if we are relegated he will be very determined to get us promoted to prove a point. I hate him but he ain't selling just yet so my only hope is he floods the squad with quality players next season and forgets all about the break even - ffp etc....
Bizarre statement from Katrien as Uncle Roland does indeed do failure - other network clubs have been relegated, it's part of network life.
And fans of Standard Liege view mediocrity as failure too, they believe they should be challenging for honours.
I think they make it up as they go along. First thing that comes into their heads when answering interview questions or creating statements. There is no great plan. Just something for a rich man to do.
Mere mortals like you or I could never understand a visionary like Roland.
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Is this true of false?
Or do Charlton fans just randomly now want the club to fail on every level because they hate Charlton and it's their fault they now feel dis-connected.
What one is it?
Not digging you out mate but you might as well at least explain your perspective. Get it out your system ya know.
Do you like the current ownership and think they are doing a superb job?
Did you entirely agree with the club's statement last Tuesday and believe that it was the correct thing to release?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35862732
I posted my thoughts a little while back when asked by someone else and I can't be arsed to write it all out again but in summary:
Some good
Some bad
Mixed results of late
RD has shown no intent to sell
I believe there's quite a bit of "look at me" in and around the protests and a few personal agendas
Not of high enough importance in my life to justify getting upset over
And the survey now conforms my assertions (above) that people want failure for the club.
I'm not sure how you define 'failure for the club.' Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war. From what I have read, this is what those who are prepared to accept relegation (which is nigh-on inevitable) have in mind.
For me, 'failure for the club' would be ignoring the history of CAFC, employing an incompetent CEO, loading the squad with inadequates, has beens and never-will-be players, having a carousel of coaches each of whom is said to be better than the last but who have proved themselves to be on a par with the CEO and treating CAFC as nothing more than a player-farm while the first team slides down the league and into anonymity.
As we all know that Duchatelet 'doesn't do failure' I must assume that the previous paragraph is his measure of success.
It'd be fine if the horses didn't keep dieing
What colour are they dieing?:-)
i mean, you can conclude that losing a certain battle led you to make the decisions that won the war but i don't think any war has been won by saying "lets give up on this battle, it'll make us stronger"
I am also privy as to what goes on behind the scenes as well and the culling of the experienced staff, especially in the facility's department is very worrying indeed.
I saw my first home game in 1967, fifty years next year, traveled all around the country watching the lads well before the M25 and motorway service centers were built.
I went to Selhurst Park, I went to Upton Park, stood in the rain for as long as I can remember on the East terrace and got equally wet whilst having a half time piss due to the lack of a roof on the toilet.
I was on the pitch against Stoke, I was back on there clearing up and building the famous bonfire, I was inside Woolwich Town Hall and I had three season tickets in the North stand from the return game against Pompey whilst the East stand was being debated.
I have cried tears of joy supporting Charlton and I have cried tears of disappointment, there were times when I would have given a limb if it would have helped my beloved club achieve the ambitions I craved for the football club I love.
I am not sure what your agenda is PL54 but the laid back, nonchalant, sometimes sarcastic approach you portray in your comments do not apply to every supporter, and certainly not me.
I am exactly the type of "customer" that KM does not want around, Male, in my 50's and full of historic memories from my past of supporting Charlton Athletic.
Do I want Charlton to be relegated.............of course I don't, do I want to join the season ticket boycott next season..........of course I don't. However I cannot stand by and watch a loved one, which is what Charlton are to me be torn apart and to be made the laughing stock of English football by a man and a women who do not have a clue how to run an English football club.
What colour are they dieing?:-)
Black and white
You do have to wonder about the "look at me" though eh?
Pretty much says what's in my heart.
As for PL54, it's not of high enough importance in his life, which is fine we can't all feel the same - but you do have to wonder about the mentality of somebody who comes on to a dedicated Charlton Forum, where inevitably passions will run high, with the apparent intent stoking those emotions for his own amusement.
When we finally see this crackpot dictatorship off, the victory will be sweeter for the likes of you Mike.
Keep the faith
My opinion of this is that the club view failure as relegation which is the point PL54 was trying to make (I think, you do say some daft things but I'm happy to defend you here).
Roland doesn't do failure so if we are relegated he will be very determined to get us promoted to prove a point. I hate him but he ain't selling just yet so my only hope is he floods the squad with quality players next season and forgets all about the break even - ffp etc....
That's just my opinion, not trying to part sides - but just think your only hope is one that would mean Roland becoming a different man - of which he won't. If he doesn't do failure then he's just done the impossible for himself. Roland does failure.
And fans of Standard Liege view mediocrity as failure too, they believe they should be challenging for honours.