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Evans Conviction overturned (ed. signs for Chesterfield)

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  • Still on track for my golden boot bet "he scores when he wants, he scores when he waaaants"
  • Just think what he could have been if he hadn't gone for sloppy seconds......
  • Shame Bauer didn't get a run out vs Shrews. Konsa may struggle against Evans. Would be a shame to have a hiccup on his development in his learning phase.
  • Shame Bauer didn't get a run out vs Shrews. Konsa may struggle against Evans. Would be a shame to have a hiccup on his development in his learning phase.

    I'm in two minds with Konsa, do you play him until he has a bad game then give him a rest, or do you rest him now and let him go out on a high? A lot of it will probably depend on Bauer's fitness and comfort. He hasn't played a league game since December, so easing him back in will be key as well.

    Wouldn't mind seeing Bauer and Konsa against Walsall. From the sounds of things, Pearce has looked solid if unspectacular. That was always my feeling of him when I saw him at Leeds, looked alright, but a bit slow and not great on the ball. A good player to have in the team, but with him and Bauer we have no pace. Konsa seems to have a bit of pace about him (though nothing like Gomez) which could be key.
  • Top striker at this level. Jessica Ennis whinging has cost United a good striker

    That's bollocks. Every club would've done the same and got rid.
  • edited August 2016
    Yeah I know, it was partly said in jest. she was more than happy to let woman-beater Marlon King run about though.
  • SDAddick said:

    Shame Bauer didn't get a run out vs Shrews. Konsa may struggle against Evans. Would be a shame to have a hiccup on his development in his learning phase.

    I'm in two minds with Konsa, do you play him until he has a bad game then give him a rest, or do you rest him now and let him go out on a high? A lot of it will probably depend on Bauer's fitness and comfort. He hasn't played a league game since December, so easing him back in will be key as well.

    Wouldn't mind seeing Bauer and Konsa against Walsall. From the sounds of things, Pearce has looked solid if unspectacular. That was always my feeling of him when I saw him at Leeds, looked alright, but a bit slow and not great on the ball. A good player to have in the team, but with him and Bauer we have no pace. Konsa seems to have a bit of pace about him (though nothing like Gomez) which could be key.
    I kind of get your first points about Konsa and was thinking the same but then you say you'd like to see Peace dropped? Totally irrational, Peace has been better than Konsa and is exactly what we need at this level. Bauer showed last year that he struggled more physically than with anything else so it's vital unless Tex isn't sold that Peace plays along side him.
  • Just think what he could have been if he hadn't gone for sloppy seconds......

    Why the flag?
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  • SDAddick said:

    Shame Bauer didn't get a run out vs Shrews. Konsa may struggle against Evans. Would be a shame to have a hiccup on his development in his learning phase.

    I'm in two minds with Konsa, do you play him until he has a bad game then give him a rest, or do you rest him now and let him go out on a high? A lot of it will probably depend on Bauer's fitness and comfort. He hasn't played a league game since December, so easing him back in will be key as well.

    Wouldn't mind seeing Bauer and Konsa against Walsall. From the sounds of things, Pearce has looked solid if unspectacular. That was always my feeling of him when I saw him at Leeds, looked alright, but a bit slow and not great on the ball. A good player to have in the team, but with him and Bauer we have no pace. Konsa seems to have a bit of pace about him (though nothing like Gomez) which could be key.
    I'd be inclined to rest Konsa. He's young and new to league football. Having already played full matches Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday, I think there's a risk of over playing him.
  • Gillis said:

    SDAddick said:

    Shame Bauer didn't get a run out vs Shrews. Konsa may struggle against Evans. Would be a shame to have a hiccup on his development in his learning phase.

    I'm in two minds with Konsa, do you play him until he has a bad game then give him a rest, or do you rest him now and let him go out on a high? A lot of it will probably depend on Bauer's fitness and comfort. He hasn't played a league game since December, so easing him back in will be key as well.

    Wouldn't mind seeing Bauer and Konsa against Walsall. From the sounds of things, Pearce has looked solid if unspectacular. That was always my feeling of him when I saw him at Leeds, looked alright, but a bit slow and not great on the ball. A good player to have in the team, but with him and Bauer we have no pace. Konsa seems to have a bit of pace about him (though nothing like Gomez) which could be key.
    I'd be inclined to rest Konsa. He's young and new to league football. Having already played full matches Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday, I think there's a risk of over playing him.
    if he will be dropped once ze german is fully fit, id keep playing him until Bauer is ready.

    the more he has played the better he will cope when called upon.

    if tex does stay id even let Konsa go out on loan for a few months before suspensions start kicking in to keep him in the shop window for when we sell him in January playing and learning so he'll be ready for us.
  • Just stuck £5 on Ched Evans to be L1 top goalscorer. 33/1 Bet365.

    Come on Ched.
  • Interesting isn't it, no so long ago some people on here would've happily seen him strung up, now some wish we'd signed him.

    Funny 'ol game.
  • JiMMy 85 said:

    Just think what he could have been if he hadn't gone for sloppy seconds......

    Why the flag?
    All the way through this story I've felt a particular degree of sadness for the girl at the centre of it. Never felt moved to use a flag before to be honest, but I stand by that one. I think the comment is in really bad taste.
    Ok I see your point now I re read my post. I was meaning it from Ched's point of view - ie what could have been if he hadn't just wanted to have sex with the girl after his mate. I'm fairly sure he didn't see it as rape, although he was convicted. What a waste.

    I do have some sympathy for the victim.
  • PaddyP17 said:

    Just think what he could have been if he hadn't gone for sloppy seconds......

    Why the flag?
    Presumably:

    1) Sloppy seconds is a bit degrading and treats the victim in question as if she were a sexual object

    2) Oh so similar to "Just think what Brock Turner could have been if he didn't rape someone!" ... Would you like to give the victim some thought, or do they not matter?

    3) Who gives a shit what he could have been, he at best made a massive error in judgement that's cost him his career and legal fees etc; or at worst raped somebody.
    Sloppy seconds IS degrading IMO. But Evans thought it was ok.....

    I think Evans is a rapist and shouldn't play again.
  • Retrial starts today at Cardiff crown court.
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  • I have to admit I can't remember the detail, but I thought she said she couldn't remember what happened, so I'm unclear how she could be lying, if she said she couldn't remember.
  • I have to admit I can't remember the detail, but I thought she said she couldn't remember what happened, so I'm unclear how she could be lying, if she said she couldn't remember.
    Erm.....what about if she could really remember?!?
  • I have to admit I can't remember the detail, but I thought she said she couldn't remember what happened, so I'm unclear how she could be lying, if she said she couldn't remember.
    Erm.....what about if she could really remember?!?
    Good point well made.
  • edited October 2016
    I thought the whole conviction was based on the fact that the woman was in a state too drunk to consent. Unless I'm mistaken, this was mainly evidenced by her inability to remember.

    The man testifying says he had multiple "encounters" with the same woman who never seemed overly drunk but, on every given morning after, claimed to remember nothing.
  • I thought the whole conviction was based on the fact that the woman was in a state too drunk to consent. Unless I'm mistaken, this was mainly evidenced by her inability to remember.

    The man testifying says he had multiple "encounters" with the same woman who never seemed overly drunk but, on every given morning after, claimed to remember nothing.

    Surely, that makes her evidence more plausible, as it shows that she never remembers and wasn't lying ?
  • So could this man just be saying he has had sex with someone on numerous occasions with someone who was too drunk to consent, even if she didn't seem it?
  • edited October 2016

    I thought the whole conviction was based on the fact that the woman was in a state too drunk to consent. Unless I'm mistaken, this was mainly evidenced by her inability to remember.

    The man testifying says he had multiple "encounters" with the same woman who never seemed overly drunk but, on every given morning after, claimed to remember nothing.

    Surely, that makes her evidence more plausible, as it shows that she never remembers and wasn't lying ?
    It can work the other way too. If the question is whether Evans engaged in a sexual act while aware that the woman was too drunk to consent, that would be rape.

    If the woman doesn't appear to be overly drunk and therefore is able to consent, when does it become an act of rape?


    (Really trying not to sound like I'm defending a rapist here. Could never do that. All I'm interested in is the truth and justice, whichever way that happens to be.)
  • He's a scumbag and she's bit of a slut when she's had a few drinks.

    Sounds like a case for Jeremy Kyle!
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