Fair play to the people who have brought them. Personally I don't understand it - not a dig. Each to there own. Sure a fair few of those people will have given a lot of consideration and finances (especially if it's w family) will have determined it.
Having a couple of hours to spare, I decided to count the number of seats indicated in use on the online season ticket sale site.
Upper North 317 Lower North 1200 Family 82 NWQ 112 East 650 Lower West 764 Upper West 304
Total 3429 Approx.
Good work - that will almost certainly include staff and other comps, and seats reserved for matchday hospitality, so probably nearer 3,000 sold. If it includes restricted views it will be significantly lower.
I think a restricted view is probably a good idea
I remember I sat behind a pole at port vale once - he was a good bloke to be fair.
We'll each of us do it in our own way. Let's just get rid of this mob.
Hear Hear!
Here's the problem I see, I'm not convinced that a drop in revenue alone will make him decide to leave. If you believe the figure put forth by KM, he's putting 1m a month into the club. Even if you halve that number, a loss in ST revenue pales in comparison. He will recoup some in the summer by selling our good players and potentially anything not tied down, but the losses next year will be worse and thus far he hasn't made any public* noises about selling.
He has a lot of money, it will take many, many years before Charlton's losses are anything more than the equivalent of the change he could find in his couch. I think his plans for the club, for all his clubs, whatever they are, don't have much to do with money. Can't imagine he makes much, if anything, from STTV or Upjest, and Spanish clubs, especially in the lower divisions, have arguably as bad a record as English clubs with debt.
This is not to say don't boycott. For all of you who have not renewed you have my utmost respect for being able to abstain from something you've been doing for so long. Were I in your position I'm not sure I'd be able to do the same. For those not renewing, I get it, and while I hate the way this club is run, I support this club. Either way, I don't know that the boycotts or loss of revenue unto themselves will drive him out because frankly I have no idea what his endgame is.
*No public noises, but he did meet with Elliot last week. I know that the party line continues to be "the club isn't for sale" but it wouldn't surprise me if he's re-thinking that stance in private. The supporters email response team will, I'm sure, continue to say KM is staying and KM I imagine will continue to say the club isn't for sale because they're not good at admitting defeat, but I wouldn't be massively surprised if some group came along "with an offer too good to turn down."
We'll each of us do it in our own way. Let's just get rid of this mob.
Hear Hear!
Here's the problem I see, I'm not convinced that a drop in revenue alone will make him decide to leave. If you believe the figure put forth by KM, he's putting 1m a month into the club. Even if you halve that number, a loss in ST revenue pales in comparison. He will recoup some in the summer by selling our good players and potentially anything not tied down, but the losses next year will be worse and thus far he hasn't made any public* noises about selling.
He has a lot of money, it will take many, many years before Charlton's losses are anything more than the equivalent of the change he could find in his couch. I think his plans for the club, for all his clubs, whatever they are, don't have much to do with money. Can't imagine he makes much, if anything, from STTV or Upjest, and Spanish clubs, especially in the lower divisions, have arguably as bad a record as English clubs with debt.
This is not to say don't boycott. For all of you who have not renewed you have my utmost respect for being able to abstain from something you've been doing for so long. Were I in your position I'm not sure I'd be able to do the same. For those not renewing, I get it, and while I hate the way this club is run, I support this club. Either way, I don't know that the boycotts or loss of revenue unto themselves will drive him out because frankly I have no idea what his endgame is.
*No public noises, but he did meet with Elliot last week. I know that the party line continues to be "the club isn't for sale" but it wouldn't surprise me if he's re-thinking that stance in private. The supporters email response team will, I'm sure, continue to say KM is staying and KM I imagine will continue to say the club isn't for sale because they're not good at admitting defeat, but I wouldn't be massively surprised if some group came along "with an offer too good to turn down."
If Duchatelet has met Elliott(or anybody else for that matter) then he must be prepared to sell. Let us hope in the not too distant future we can be rid of these people before they totally run us into the ground.
Have been on the cafc ticket website and gone through stand by stand and block by block
Total seats still available for sale as a season ticket as of yesterday 5th May - 17,675
Breakdown by stand
North Lower 1,962 North Upper 2,621 West Lower 2,971 West Upper 2,952 East 4,717 Family 1,059 NWQ 1,393
Does anyone know how many are available so that the number above can be used to calculate how many have been sold?
As said previously, this is an inaccurate measure as what looks like seats sold will include comps, those not sold due to restricted view etc and will give the impression more have been sold than have.
Selling our best players/top youngsters and bringing a manager who has only managed League 2 is not going to encourage fans to swiftly renew.
I reckon less than 6k sold and the North/West upper to be closed.
Don't think the West Upper will be closed as that is opposite the TV cameras so will look bad. On the other hand, it will mean Katrien and Richard can rest easy that they won't have things dropped on them by customers.
I was really just trying to highlight the number of empty seats and appreciate that these numbers whilst accurately reflect what the website says clearly don't tell the whole story.
For me the bottom line is there are a lot of empty seats!!
There are a lot of empty seats but still potentially more full ones than I expected. With 27k capacity if there only 17k seats left available that must mean some are not available because filled?
Or maybe some are just not being sold yet to make the numbers look bigger.
Charlton , my only Charlton, You make me happy when skies are grey, You'll never know just, how much i love you, Until you take my Charlton away
( Followed by the la la la ooh bit).
Well guess what you Belgium Numpties you've taken my charlton away , and broke something i really enjoyed doing with my family, now clear off and sell up!!!!!
If you've paid for a seat in a stand that they then intend to close, please do the right thing and ask for a complete refund. Don't let them treat you like a nobody and move you about your own ground (the one we fought for - it's more ours than it is Roland's, money or no money). As me think's they'll want to close off atleast the West Upper and then move that onto the North Upper as soon as they can. Pack out the lower stands as they show on TV and after all they want to show the masses on our 4 second highlight clips on FLS that all is well down at the happy Valley..
Closing the lower stands makes more sense in terms of crowd control. Moves people further away from the pitch and will reduce the effect of any demo`s that they may fear will occur.
I'll be renewing because I simply don't know how to deal with not being someone who goes every week. It's all I've done from the age of 6.
That's the thing Tom, I'm exactly the same (started a few years older). But I genuinely think stop paying / going regularly now is our best chance of achieving that.
It's going to utterly devastate me, I don't have a single other hobby away from Charlton. But after six solid months of let's face it, protests that could not have been more effective and widely praised, I think it's the only course of action now to those that are serious about change.
The heart wrenching thing is that I know deep down you are right. I just can't help myself - being a die hard Charlton match goer is a part of my identity. I don't have anything to replace it.
I've mentioned on here before that my Dad who has been with me every season in the same seats will not be renewing next year. The main reason I want this lot to go is because I want to go football with him again.
Feels like bit of a duty to stay in the ground and fight the regime.
So angry.
You can still go though Tom. I thought a big part of the protest was to not give the money up front. You could wait till last min or buy match by match.
Cash flow is always important to a business no matter what the value of the owner may be.
All the early renewers are doing is making their job in budgeting much much easier.
It's like a Government campaign to reduce drug use and addiction. Many say yes they will give y up but when the moment comes they have to have that season ticket even though they know it's bad for them and, their family and friends.
East H: 31 G: 85 F: 162 E: 195 D 175 C: 86 B: 43 A: n/a
Good work! Very similar numbers to the method I use. My method gives a total of 4,303 "in use" which is 14 more. However season tickets are available in the East Block A (you have n/a while I make it 10 in use) so if you added those 10 on to your numbers that gives your numbers a total 4,299 and just a difference of 4 also allowing for a margin of error on both sides.
I'm still also not convinced the numbers sold in West blocks B and C are right either it looks too high in comparison to the rest of the stand and in particular when you look at the seating plan block B looks very full in some areas and I suspect is one of those sections @Airman Brown pointed out as being held back for comps / other reasons.
Don't underestimate the amount of freebies they will give out to make it look reasonable on a match day. Main thing is their pockets will be severely hit.
Don't underestimate the amount of freebies they will give out to make it look reasonable on a match day. Main thing is their pockets will be severely hit.
Mind you, it's a very "niche" market that will accept a freebie ticket for a quick frisk from one of the blue hi-viz vest stewards.
East H: 31 G: 85 F: 162 E: 195 D 175 C: 86 B: 43 A: n/a
Good work! Very similar numbers to the method I use. My method gives a total of 4,303 "in use" which is 14 more. However season tickets are available in the East Block A (you have n/a while I make it 10 in use) so if you added those 10 on to your numbers that gives your numbers a total 4,299 and just a difference of 4 also allowing for a margin of error on both sides.
I'm still also not convinced the numbers sold in West blocks B and C are right either it looks too high in comparison to the rest of the stand and in particular when you look at the seating plan block B looks very full in some areas and I suspect is one of those sections @Airman Brown pointed out as being held back for comps / other reasons.
When i looked earlier all the seats in Block A were marked as unavailable but your right it now shows 10 in use.
East H: 31 G: 85 F: 162 E: 195 D 175 C: 86 B: 43 A: n/a
Good work! Very similar numbers to the method I use. My method gives a total of 4,303 "in use" which is 14 more. However season tickets are available in the East Block A (you have n/a while I make it 10 in use) so if you added those 10 on to your numbers that gives your numbers a total 4,299 and just a difference of 4 also allowing for a margin of error on both sides.
I'm still also not convinced the numbers sold in West blocks B and C are right either it looks too high in comparison to the rest of the stand and in particular when you look at the seating plan block B looks very full in some areas and I suspect is one of those sections @Airman Brown pointed out as being held back for comps / other reasons.
Are those the blocks where the players comps sit? (Close to the "players and officials" entrance.)
Whether not renewing will force him to sell or stay is not really the point. The point is, if similar number commit to him next season, he will wonder what all's the fuss has been about. Meire will have told him it's all about an unfortunate relegation and that everything will blow over. If you renew you encourage that belief.....
Comments
Total seats still available for sale as a season ticket as of yesterday 5th May - 17,675
Breakdown by stand
North Lower 1,962
North Upper 2,621
West Lower 2,971
West Upper 2,952
East 4,717
Family 1,059
NWQ 1,393
I reckon less than 6k sold and the North/West upper to be closed.
For me the bottom line is there are a lot of empty seats!!
Or maybe some are just not being sold yet to make the numbers look bigger.
Charlton , my only Charlton,
You make me happy when skies are grey,
You'll never know just,
how much i love you,
Until you take my Charlton away
( Followed by the la la la ooh bit).
Well guess what you Belgium Numpties you've taken my charlton away , and broke something i really enjoyed doing with my family, now clear off and sell up!!!!!
I'm not paying for the unpacking service though.
Cash flow is always important to a business no matter what the value of the owner may be.
All the early renewers are doing is making their job in budgeting much much easier.
Many more than I would have hoped for but about half of the current season.
North Lower 1543
West Lower 953
East 787
North Upper 428
West Upper 360
NWQ 125
Family 103
Overall 4299
By Block
West Lower
H: 5
G: 44
F: 134
E: 93
D 170
C: 201
B: 247
A: 59
West Upper
R: 3
Q: 18
P: 40
N: 29
M: 35
L: 112
K: 89
J: 34
North Lower
F: 214
E: 318
D 275
C: 299
B: 270
A: 167
North Upper
G: 6
H: 68
J: 125
K: 43
L: 98
M: 70
N: 18
East
H: 31
G: 85
F: 162
E: 195
D 175
C: 86
B: 43
A: 10
Anyone else here this?
I'm still also not convinced the numbers sold in West blocks B and C are right either it looks too high in comparison to the rest of the stand and in particular when you look at the seating plan block B looks very full in some areas and I suspect is one of those sections @Airman Brown pointed out as being held back for comps / other reasons.
It will be very popular with them, though....
05/05/16 - seats available: 17,675
19/05/16 - seats available: 17,602
So looks like over the last 2 weeks the number of seats available has dropped by 73.