Put the animal out of its misery and it will be reborn according to its appropriate level. (Note that actually killing it by hand may not be acceptable but this is a topic of great debate, at least in my head)
That means that between the first calculations 6 days ago and the new workings this evening 677 more season tickets have been sold, surely not?
We had a home game on Saturday during this time so some may have renewed then. There is also margin for error in either sets of figures published but it can all be looked up on the ticket site, happy to stand corrected if so.
That means that between the first calculations 6 days ago and the new workings this evening 677 more season tickets have been sold, surely not?
We had a home game on Saturday during this time so some may have renewed then. There is also margin for error in either sets of figures published but it can all be looked up on the ticket site, happy to stand corrected if so.
It's highly implausible (actually inconceivable) that 677 have been sold since the end of last week. The difference is about methodology. I have a detailed breakdown of the stadium somewhere, but I'll repeat my warning that 1) the online system does not give a complete overview and 2) many seats that appear to have been allocated (sold) will be reserved or comps, especially in the lower west.
As far as the seats sold via the credit supplier is concerned it makes no difference to the club's revenue, as Charlton get the money up front, although usually a few "sold" seats will be released because people subsequently fail the credit check.
@AFKABartram, not me but I've taken a personal vow of silence on it because the issue is so devisive and I think everyone has a different set of personal circumstances.
For instance, I will contribute to the protest fund and so on, I will not renew, I will wear my badges and black and white scarf.
I will certainly buy a limited number of tickets for games next year and I will, while there have a couple of pints in the ground and if I havent had time to sort out food for the boy, a hot dog.
Still can't believe how many of you have fronted up your money for them
I agree AFKA, I expected renewals but not at the levels these figures suggest, although as Airman points out a lot could be reserved for comps etc. It seems some people are easily pleased.
That means that between the first calculations 6 days ago and the new workings this evening 677 more season tickets have been sold, surely not?
We had a home game on Saturday during this time so some may have renewed then. There is also margin for error in either sets of figures published but it can all be looked up on the ticket site, happy to stand corrected if so.
It's highly implausible (actually inconceivable) that 677 have been sold since the end of last week. The difference is about methodology. I have a detailed breakdown of the stadium somewhere, but I'll repeat my warning that 1) the online system does not give a complete overview and 2) many seats that appear to have been allocated will be reserved or comps, especially in the lower west.
As far as the seats sold via the credit supplier is concerned it makes no difference to the club's revenue, as Charlton get the money up front, although usually a few "sold" seats will be released because people subsequently fail the credit check.
I have to admit West Lower block B did seem very high indeed. To be specific it had 231 'in use' compared to 59 for block A, 195 in block C and 174 in block D and even had a complete row or two sold out...
Still can't believe how many of you have fronted up your money for them
I agree AFKA, I expected renewals but not at the levels these figures suggest, although as Airman points out a lot could be reserved for comps etc. It seems some people are easily pleased.
I did a similar exercise to the above for the Reading game and it was good for spotting the rate of sale but significantly overstated the official attendance (never mind the real one).
I understand a few exceptions but not 4,000 exceptions. Why are people buying ST's? It is what will help these people kill the club. Your short term gain is your long term loss.
I understand a few exceptions but not 4,000 exceptions. Why are people buying ST's? It is what will help these people kill the club. Your short term gain is your long term loss.
Please don't take this too personally but just who is this post aimed at?
I suspect that the majority of the 4,000 (which is, incidentally 40% of the 'current' season ticket holders) don't even know what Charlton Life is, let alone come on here and have you, and about two hundred others, call them names and accuse them of destroying the club.
I am as frustrated as anyone else as to how the club is being run but Richard Murray does have a point when he says it's just a message board thing. Clearly he underestimates the numbers, but I feel as though posts like this are preaching to the converted. There is just no need for them.
Watching a team full of no mark players (bar the odd exception) picked by an owner with no ambition for success on the pitch and with a no mark coach watching on the sidelines. And all on a tiny budget.
Loyalty goes out the window I'm afraid. That isn't my Charlton and I won't be throwing another penny at it. In fact, pass me that drill because I'd rather be doing the DIY than suffering another season with the fucking Belgians.
Whoever said that Charlton would become unsustainable by Christmas 2016 looks about right. When a third of all season tickets are only paying £7 a game there has to be massive injections of Duchatelet's cash to keep the club running.
As has been said elsewhere, the financial year end is June 30th. The drop in cashflow will be enormous when compared to last year's accounts, especially as the summer is when no regular income comes in
I don't know how the club treat income but for accounting purposes I'd have thought most businesses would defer receipt until the accounting year to which it related. Do football clubs do that? If so, the accounts for the year ended June 2016 would include the season ticket receipts from last year, not this.
How many of those 4,000 seats will be filled each game ? At least a 1/4 missing for Saturday games and up to half for mid week games. Add in smaller League one away crowds. There will be sub 7,000 crowds at the Valley next season under Duchatelet and Meire. The mid week games on a cold winter night even less. Duchatelet and Meire are running a disastrous policy for the club.
"Our ground's too big for us!" will be the chant of the season....
Although there won't be many there to chant it. Having said that, if there is a migration from the upper north to lower north it might actually improve the atmosphere, unless the singers end up split between the two tiers, in which case it will be dire.
I don't get this point about improved atmosphere. I am no sound expert but as the roof is a long way from the lower north isn't a lot of the sound going to be lost as in an open end, whereas in the upper north it may be kept in.
There was a game a few years ago when there was a power cut or something in the north upper which meant a couple of blocks got moved to the lower. I was in the East stand and from then the noise levels from the North definitely got louder.
Still can't believe how many of you have fronted up your money for them
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you and I and others also continue to hand over cash to the regime that took our club to Selhurst and Upton Park when a lot of charlton fans boycotted the move ? What's different ? There wouldn't be a charlton athletic today if we hadn't continued to support the team
Whatever else we think his faults are, even Roland hasn't done something as bad as abandoning the Valley and making us play at a rivals ground
yet
though I guess if there are just a few fans still supporting the team then we shouldn't dismiss that being part of the ultimate game plan
Still can't believe how many of you have fronted up your money for them
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you and I and others also continue to hand over cash to the regime that took our club to Selhurst and Upton Park when a lot of charlton fans boycotted the move ? What's different ? There wouldn't be a charlton athletic today if we hadn't continued to support the team
Whatever else we think his faults are, even Roland hasn't done something as bad as abandoning the Valley and making us play at a rivals ground
yet
though I guess if there are just a few fans still supporting the team then we shouldn't dismiss that being part of the ultimate game plan
You going to Leeds tomorrow then or do you only have a little pop at those fans who don't do the local games (Brentford and QPR seem to ring a bell)? .
Back on thread and Airman and others will confirm this or otherwise but we couldn't get a safety certificate at the Valley and Hulyer had taken us to the brink of being wound up and folding completely so Selhurst was a sink or swim alternative. And yes I continued to follow them there and to Upton Park. Others decided not to partly because of the horrendous journey across South London in those days round the South Circular. We had no alternative!
This is a completely different kettle of fish IMO and as there are other interested owners out there I say get riid of RD and everything he stands for ASAP. If that means boycotting to hurt him in the pocket and anything else that makes the club unmanageable for him, then let's do it as one.
I wouldn't worry 3500 of them will be tottenham fans fed up with watching the shit football at whiteheart lane, and converting to charlton via taxi cab drivers word of mouth!
Unfortunately, what's on the pitch is likely to reflect what's in the stands, low crowds, low quality inadequate players. As, I don,t think our current squad would do much better than top half leauge one, then what's next seasons going to look like. I have not re-newd and won,t be.
Still can't believe how many of you have fronted up your money for them
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you and I and others also continue to hand over cash to the regime that took our club to Selhurst and Upton Park when a lot of charlton fans boycotted the move ? What's different ? There wouldn't be a charlton athletic today if we hadn't continued to support the team
Ridiculous comparison.
At Selhurst and Upton Park we were supporting a club with a team spirit (from top to bottom) and a will to win and succeed. Not some f***ed up experiment by a Belgian megalomaniac.
Still can't believe how many of you have fronted up your money for them
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you and I and others also continue to hand over cash to the regime that took our club to Selhurst and Upton Park when a lot of charlton fans boycotted the move ? What's different ? There wouldn't be a charlton athletic today if we hadn't continued to support the team
Whatever else we think his faults are, even Roland hasn't done something as bad as abandoning the Valley and making us play at a rivals ground
yet
though I guess if there are just a few fans still supporting the team then we shouldn't dismiss that being part of the ultimate game plan
You going to Leeds tomorrow then or do you only have a little pop at those fans who don't do the local games (Brentford and QPR seem to ring a bell)? .
No I won't be going to Leeds tomorrow. In a show of solidarity with the charlton players I too will be metaphorically on the beach alongside them and if my cynical view of whether a team of most likely soon to be ex charlton players will turn up for tomorrow's game is proved to be completely wrong then I will applaud them and feel pleased for those diehards that did go to the game
Still can't believe how many of you have fronted up your money for them
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you and I and others also continue to hand over cash to the regime that took our club to Selhurst and Upton Park when a lot of charlton fans boycotted the move ? What's different ? There wouldn't be a charlton athletic today if we hadn't continued to support the team
Whatever else we think his faults are, even Roland hasn't done something as bad as abandoning the Valley and making us play at a rivals ground
yet
though I guess if there are just a few fans still supporting the team then we shouldn't dismiss that being part of the ultimate game plan
we were watching commited players gain promotion to the top flight for the first time in 30 years.
Still can't believe how many of you have fronted up your money for them
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you and I and others also continue to hand over cash to the regime that took our club to Selhurst and Upton Park when a lot of charlton fans boycotted the move ? What's different ? There wouldn't be a charlton athletic today if we hadn't continued to support the team
Whatever else we think his faults are, even Roland hasn't done something as bad as abandoning the Valley and making us play at a rivals ground
yet
though I guess if there are just a few fans still supporting the team then we shouldn't dismiss that being part of the ultimate game plan
You going to Leeds tomorrow then or do you only have a little pop at those fans who don't do the local games (Brentford and QPR seem to ring a bell)? .
No I won't be going to Leeds tomorrow. In a show of solidarity with the charlton players I too will be metaphorically on the beach alongside them and if my cynical view of whether a team of most likely soon to be ex charlton players will turn up for tomorrow's game is proved to be completely wrong then I will applaud them and feel pleased for those diehards that did go to the game
Double standards there surely, still I guessed as much.
I've used pub analogies before with all this, but if your local got taken over by a complete wrong un who was systematically ruining your pub, would you just keep going there with no change of pattern throughout thinking "well I'm sure he'll go eventually". Don't you think that time would come quicker if everyone on mass stopped going there and handing their notes over the counter to him?
Protesting has brought widespread media attention to our dissatisfaction but it is just a retold story to the target who is an absentee. He hears and reads of people protesting but he also sees people giving him money for the next 12 months. He probably doesn't realise in many instances it's the same people because to him that will not make sense.
Still can't believe how many of you have fronted up your money for them
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you and I and others also continue to hand over cash to the regime that took our club to Selhurst and Upton Park when a lot of charlton fans boycotted the move ? What's different ? There wouldn't be a charlton athletic today if we hadn't continued to support the team
Ridiculous comparison.
At Selhurst and Upton Park we were supporting a club with a team spirit (from top to bottom) and a will to win and succeed. Not some f***ed up experiment by a Belgian megalomaniac.
We were supporting a club that was on its last legs. The team with 6 (?) new players bought in gaining promotion was the only thing it had going for it, that and the four or five thousand fans that didn't give up on it.
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Put the animal out of its misery and it will be reborn according to its appropriate level. (Note that actually killing it by hand may not be acceptable but this is a topic of great debate, at least in my head)
As far as the seats sold via the credit supplier is concerned it makes no difference to the club's revenue, as Charlton get the money up front, although usually a few "sold" seats will be released because people subsequently fail the credit check.
For instance, I will contribute to the protest fund and so on, I will not renew, I will wear my badges and black and white scarf.
I will certainly buy a limited number of tickets for games next year and I will, while there have a couple of pints in the ground and if I havent had time to sort out food for the boy, a hot dog.
Splitter
Despite the repeat of last year's threats there is a massive drop off.
I think the result so far should be applauded but I also think there will be a lot more renewals before the 'final' deadline.
I reckon around 6-7k by the end.
The free and nationals seem to have already Ben included so not too many more of them. The difference will be real money in.
I suspect that the majority of the 4,000 (which is, incidentally 40% of the 'current' season ticket holders) don't even know what Charlton Life is, let alone come on here and have you, and about two hundred others, call them names and accuse them of destroying the club.
I am as frustrated as anyone else as to how the club is being run but Richard Murray does have a point when he says it's just a message board thing. Clearly he underestimates the numbers, but I feel as though posts like this are preaching to the converted. There is just no need for them.
Loyalty goes out the window I'm afraid. That isn't my Charlton and I won't be throwing another penny at it. In fact, pass me that drill because I'd rather be doing the DIY than suffering another season with the fucking Belgians.
Like I did this season after buying a season ticket.
It's amazing how much people will have the piss taken out of them.
I was in the East stand and from then the noise levels from the North definitely got louder.
Whatever else we think his faults are, even Roland hasn't done something as bad as abandoning the Valley and making us play at a rivals ground
yet
though I guess if there are just a few fans still supporting the team then we shouldn't dismiss that being part of the ultimate game plan
Back on thread and Airman and others will confirm this or otherwise but we couldn't get a safety certificate at the Valley and Hulyer had taken us to the brink of being wound up and folding completely so Selhurst was a sink or swim alternative. And yes I continued to follow them there and to Upton Park. Others decided not to partly because of the horrendous journey across South London in those days round the South Circular. We had no alternative!
This is a completely different kettle of fish IMO and as there are other interested owners out there I say get riid of RD and everything he stands for ASAP. If that means boycotting to hurt him in the pocket and anything else that makes the club unmanageable for him, then let's do it as one.
ITS HAPPENING!!!
I've used pub analogies before with all this, but if your local got taken over by a complete wrong un who was systematically ruining your pub, would you just keep going there with no change of pattern throughout thinking "well I'm sure he'll go eventually". Don't you think that time would come quicker if everyone on mass stopped going there and handing their notes over the counter to him?
Protesting has brought widespread media attention to our dissatisfaction but it is just a retold story to the target who is an absentee. He hears and reads of people protesting but he also sees people giving him money for the next 12 months. He probably doesn't realise in many instances it's the same people because to him that will not make sense.
And it doesn't to me either.