I guess I'll better translate what's said by Igor. The title states: BP sacked because we had a start of the season that was too good ... On his "adventure" in London ... "the most difficult period in my life". In 2014 he went to the Championship. When he heard BP was there he didn't hesitate for a moment. With this move he ended up with RD. "I really didn't want to become part of the Duchâtelet network, ending getting shifted around from one club to another. I made that clear from the beginning. I was ambitious and wanted to play for Charlton, not for another club. However, I soon got branded as a RD product. One can't change what people start to think." Vetokele witnessed the many manager changes(list of names - you know them). "Let me start by saying BP got sacked because we started the season better then anticipated (first 11 games without defeat). Within the club the idea grew to augment the club's ambitions, although we lacked in number of players. Sacking BP was a mistake in my opinion. Luzon and a number of players didn't get along. Everybody understood what he wanted to achieve on defense, but the offensive part was pure chaos. As a result of an injury Vetokele missed the better half of last season. He only got to play 16 times and only scored once. "This was the most difficult part of my career, even of my life. I never felt really good after that injury, that wasn't treated well by the physio's (is this English ? ) . They claimed I wasn't really injured. It took 3, 4 months after which I visited Lieven Maesschalck (Antwerp based, world renowned physio therapist) . He immediately knew what the problem was and recommended surgery . Eventually I got the surgery in November. In Engeland they said that the earlier X-rays were taken from a wrong angle, thus resulting in not seeing the injury. Typical for English football, lots of money goes around and they urge you to get back on the pitch ASAP."
So if this is true, and that's a big if because he had tendon injuries which aren't detected by X-Ray, then that would be absolutely awful. Could be a mistranslation or misinterpretation by the player and "MRI" was what was meant.
Also, just reading the comments about him being overweight and to me he never looked THAT overweight, and besides, that is likely to happen when you can't work out for months because of an injury.
In that case I think it's fair to say that Igor's only liked because of an uncharacteristically good start to the season. Average any other time we saw him play when you think about it. Even when fit.
I must admit ... literally he speaks about photo's, not X- rays ... (MRI's not excluded).
Thanks, sorry I didn't mean to decry your translation, it's much appreciated.
The notion that an MRI or ultrasound was done hit the wrong angle is still concerning. I've only had one MRI done (a great way to find out you're not so ok with confined spaces) and one ultrasound for injuries. With an ultrasound I could kind of see how it would be possible because you have to basically hold the little wand thingy over each part of the muscle then do what is essentially a screen grab and it's a long and laborious process. But then I'm reminded of the fact that whether this was done by the Charlton doctor or a third party, the club should be using people who are used to sports injuries, and if it were a doctor or technician used to sports injuries, "getting the wrong angle" is unacceptable.
All that said, in the interest of fairness we should probably say we're getting in the weeds of medical diagnostic processes, so it could be a misunderstanding by Igor or me jumping to conclusion, or even the fact that when he had the initial scan there wasn't a tear and 3-4 months later there was.
I guess I'll better translate what's said by Igor. The title states: BP sacked because we had a start of the season that was too good ... On his "adventure" in London ... "the most difficult period in my life". In 2014 he went to the Championship. When he heard BP was there he didn't hesitate for a moment. With this move he ended up with RD. "I really didn't want to become part of the Duchâtelet network, ending getting shifted around from one club to another. I made that clear from the beginning. I was ambitious and wanted to play for Charlton, not for another club. However, I soon got branded as a RD product. One can't change what people start to think." Vetokele witnessed the many manager changes(list of names - you know them). "Let me start by saying BP got sacked because we started the season better then anticipated (first 11 games without defeat). Within the club the idea grew to augment the club's ambitions, although we lacked in number of players. Sacking BP was a mistake in my opinion. Luzon and a number of players didn't get along. Everybody understood what he wanted to achieve on defense, but the offensive part was pure chaos. As a result of an injury Vetokele missed the better half of last season. He only got to play 16 times and only scored once. "This was the most difficult part of my career, even of my life. I never felt really good after that injury, that wasn't treated well by the physio's (is this English ? ) . They claimed I wasn't really injured. It took 3, 4 months after which I visited Lieven Maesschalck (Antwerp based, world renowned physio therapist) . He immediately knew what the problem was and recommended surgery . Eventually I got the surgery in November. In Engeland they said that the earlier X-rays were taken from a wrong angle, thus resulting in not seeing the injury. Typical for English football, lots of money goes around and they urge you to get back on the pitch ASAP."
So if this is true, and that's a big if because he had tendon injuries which aren't detected by X-Ray, then that would be absolutely awful. Could be a mistranslation or misinterpretation by the player and "MRI" was what was meant.
Also, just reading the comments about him being overweight and to me he never looked THAT overweight, and besides, that is likely to happen when you can't work out for months because of an injury.
He had a pelvic injury, which would have been looked at by X-ray...
I guess I'll better translate what's said by Igor. The title states: BP sacked because we had a start of the season that was too good ... On his "adventure" in London ... "the most difficult period in my life". In 2014 he went to the Championship. When he heard BP was there he didn't hesitate for a moment. With this move he ended up with RD. "I really didn't want to become part of the Duchâtelet network, ending getting shifted around from one club to another. I made that clear from the beginning. I was ambitious and wanted to play for Charlton, not for another club. However, I soon got branded as a RD product. One can't change what people start to think." Vetokele witnessed the many manager changes(list of names - you know them). "Let me start by saying BP got sacked because we started the season better then anticipated (first 11 games without defeat). Within the club the idea grew to augment the club's ambitions, although we lacked in number of players. Sacking BP was a mistake in my opinion. Luzon and a number of players didn't get along. Everybody understood what he wanted to achieve on defense, but the offensive part was pure chaos. As a result of an injury Vetokele missed the better half of last season. He only got to play 16 times and only scored once. "This was the most difficult part of my career, even of my life. I never felt really good after that injury, that wasn't treated well by the physio's (is this English ? ) . They claimed I wasn't really injured. It took 3, 4 months after which I visited Lieven Maesschalck (Antwerp based, world renowned physio therapist) . He immediately knew what the problem was and recommended surgery . Eventually I got the surgery in November. In Engeland they said that the earlier X-rays were taken from a wrong angle, thus resulting in not seeing the injury. Typical for English football, lots of money goes around and they urge you to get back on the pitch ASAP."
So if this is true, and that's a big if because he had tendon injuries which aren't detected by X-Ray, then that would be absolutely awful. Could be a mistranslation or misinterpretation by the player and "MRI" was what was meant.
Also, just reading the comments about him being overweight and to me he never looked THAT overweight, and besides, that is likely to happen when you can't work out for months because of an injury.
He had a pelvic injury, which would have been looked at by X-ray...
I thought it was a groin injury, as in the groin muscle.
If not, given that they take X-Rays from like every different direction, that's really bad.
Roland is personally responsible for what has happened to Igor. His arrogance to believe somehow he could run a football club without employing people with the proper know-how has damaged a very good player. If his conscience doesn't bother him it damn well should.
Roland is personally responsible for what has happened to Igor. His arrogance to believe somehow he could run a football club without employing people with the proper know-how has damaged a very good player. If his conscience doesn't bother him it damn well should.
To be fair, it has happened before in the days before RD. A similar thing happened with Kelly Youga...
Roland is personally responsible for what has happened to Igor. His arrogance to believe somehow he could run a football club without employing people with the proper know-how has damaged a very good player. If his conscience doesn't bother him it damn well should.
To be fair, it has happened before in the days before RD. A similar thing happened with Kelly Youga...
I am not sure we ever knew what was wrong with Youga, ( do you have a clear idea?) but for sure I do not recall any internal argument as to whether he was fit or not, and then being played when, patently, he was not fit. As in the Igor case.
There was a period, I think 2002, when there clearly was a problem. But when Parker was out for the first two months after picking up "a slight knock", the board took swift action.
Vetokele is only one of several bad cases, (Kashi, Bauer, Diarra) but it was obvious at the beginning of last season that there was a fitness issue right across the board.
I agree although not quite 'The End' because we then got Luzon who was the worst manager in the history of the club before AND after in my opinion.
Apart from the obvious Karel Fraeye answer (never forgive) I preferred Luzon to Peeters. At least Luzon was funny.
In fact, if we're ranking Network chuff:
1.Riga first time (Dapper saviour) 2.Luzon (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Personality Disorder) 3.Riga second time (That MK Dons game..) 4.Peeters (He's bald, he's shit, plays kids when no-one's fit) 10.Fraeye (Rage)
If we ever go through a situation when we have systematic destruction of this great club by the like of Luzon, Karel fucking Fraye, and Petters... well just typing those names makes my blood boil...
RD there's mistakes and then there's being a total **** that sorry lot fall into the latter catergory.
Roland is personally responsible for what has happened to Igor. His arrogance to believe somehow he could run a football club without employing people with the proper know-how has damaged a very good player. If his conscience doesn't bother him it damn well should.
To be fair, it has happened before in the days before RD. A similar thing happened with Kelly Youga...
I am not sure we ever knew what was wrong with Youga, ( do you have a clear idea?) but for sure I do not recall any internal argument as to whether he was fit or not, and then being played when, patently, he was not fit. As in the Igor case.
There was a period, I think 2002, when there clearly was a problem. But when Parker was out for the first two months after picking up "a slight knock", the board took swift action.
Vetokele is only one of several bad cases, (Kashi, Bauer, Diarra) but it was obvious at the beginning of last season that there was a fitness issue right across the board.
There was an internal argument on his fitness, he said he was injured and the club didn't believe him. He went and had his own doctors investigate and they found the injury. I don't think the relationship ever recovered.
Roland is personally responsible for what has happened to Igor. His arrogance to believe somehow he could run a football club without employing people with the proper know-how has damaged a very good player. If his conscience doesn't bother him it damn well should.
To be fair, it has happened before in the days before RD. A similar thing happened with Kelly Youga...
I am not sure we ever knew what was wrong with Youga, ( do you have a clear idea?) but for sure I do not recall any internal argument as to whether he was fit or not, and then being played when, patently, he was not fit. As in the Igor case.
There was a period, I think 2002, when there clearly was a problem. But when Parker was out for the first two months after picking up "a slight knock", the board took swift action.
Vetokele is only one of several bad cases, (Kashi, Bauer, Diarra) but it was obvious at the beginning of last season that there was a fitness issue right across the board.
There was an internal argument on his fitness, he said he was injured and the club didn't believe him. He went and had his own doctors investigate and they found the injury. I don't think the relationship ever recovered.
Fair enough. It can happen anywhere I guess, but as I said above, Igor is one of several such cases - as Slade has hinted. And there was the overall fitness issue, not just specific injuries.
Who in our SMT would argue to RD the case for " doing a Leicester" in this area, that is, if you cannot compete on playing budget, make sure you have the very best in sports science, so that your small squad is fit while half of Arsenal's are in the treatment room. How quickly would a junior competition lawyer spot the competitive advantage of such a strategy?
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Also, just reading the comments about him being overweight and to me he never looked THAT overweight, and besides, that is likely to happen when you can't work out for months because of an injury.
The end.
The notion that an MRI or ultrasound was done hit the wrong angle is still concerning. I've only had one MRI done (a great way to find out you're not so ok with confined spaces) and one ultrasound for injuries. With an ultrasound I could kind of see how it would be possible because you have to basically hold the little wand thingy over each part of the muscle then do what is essentially a screen grab and it's a long and laborious process. But then I'm reminded of the fact that whether this was done by the Charlton doctor or a third party, the club should be using people who are used to sports injuries, and if it were a doctor or technician used to sports injuries, "getting the wrong angle" is unacceptable.
All that said, in the interest of fairness we should probably say we're getting in the weeds of medical diagnostic processes, so it could be a misunderstanding by Igor or me jumping to conclusion, or even the fact that when he had the initial scan there wasn't a tear and 3-4 months later there was.
He just got sacked at Westerlo FC ...
It all went downhill for him after that!
If not, given that they take X-Rays from like every different direction, that's really bad.
Then when he did come back he had a groin/pelvic injury.
He was mustard in those first few games and he was never properly fit again.
Absolutely pathetic the way we mistreated him.
There was a period, I think 2002, when there clearly was a problem. But when Parker was out for the first two months after picking up "a slight knock", the board took swift action.
Vetokele is only one of several bad cases, (Kashi, Bauer, Diarra) but it was obvious at the beginning of last season that there was a fitness issue right across the board.
In fact, if we're ranking Network chuff:
1.Riga first time (Dapper saviour)
2.Luzon (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Personality Disorder)
3.Riga second time (That MK Dons game..)
4.Peeters (He's bald, he's shit, plays kids when no-one's fit)
10.Fraeye (Rage)
RD there's mistakes and then there's being a total **** that sorry lot fall into the latter catergory.
There was an internal argument on his fitness, he said he was injured and the club didn't believe him. He went and had his own doctors investigate and they found the injury. I don't think the relationship ever recovered.
Who in our SMT would argue to RD the case for " doing a Leicester" in this area, that is, if you cannot compete on playing budget, make sure you have the very best in sports science, so that your small squad is fit while half of Arsenal's are in the treatment room. How quickly would a junior competition lawyer spot the competitive advantage of such a strategy?