Dallas police shootings

leftbehind

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

Henry Irving

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

All_Thaid_Up

Did anyone see the UAE national who was forcibly arrested in the hotel because he had two phones. Americans are totally losing the plot.

bobmunro

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

Henry, don't spoil his argument with facts.

Henry Irving

bobmunro said:

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

Henry, don't spoil his argument with facts.

Sorry, I won't do it again

ThreadKiller

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

"Fatal encounters are strikingly similar to last year’s shootings: Blacks continued to be shot at 2.5 times the rate of whites" Washington Post

Dazzler21

Rizzo said:

If this graph is accurate, this month is the only one in the last 2 years that police haven't killed a black person every other day. But hey, we're only 8 days in so plenty of time guys!

Where's the stats for whites and Mexicans and all the other ethnicities?

Huskaris

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

And what proportion of criminals?

Leroy Ambrose

All_Thaid_Up said:

Did anyone see the UAE national who was forcibly arrested in the hotel because he had two phones. Americans are totally losing the plot.

I was in Washington (DC) on business a couple of years ago. Happened to land at Dulles about half an hour after a Saudi Airlines 747. The terminal was ridiculous - it was like a standoff between the TSA and armed police one side and families the other. At one point, a bloke happened to step about half an inch over a line whilst waiting to be checked by passport control and some roided-up meat-head with a submachine gun screamed at him to get back across the line. The bloke had two pre-school age kids with him ffs

ThreadKiller

Huskaris said:

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

And what proportion of criminals?

Wtf?

Leroy Ambrose

Huskaris said:

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

And what proportion of criminals?

Probably about the same proportion of criminals from every other race

LouisMend

Huskaris said:

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

And what proportion of criminals?

Oh my.

i_b_b_o_r_g

bobmunro said:

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

Henry, don't spoil his argument with facts.

They may or may not be facts, if they are facts, they dont really explain the reason behind all of these deaths. Dont get me wrong, at the moment, these latest two shootings look to me as though the police are in the wrong. I've spent some time researching this over the last few months and have come across some interesting videos on YouTube on the subject...



Could anyone on here honestly say that they would pass this 'test'

https://youtu.be/dwQEKcKjASw


Another point of view to the one we keep getting fed

https://youtu.be/WBTaR7sA4X4


..and another

https://youtu.be/sSln6rqcGRs

Leuth

That's weird, I can see the FOX logo in all of your videos

i_b_b_o_r_g

Leuth said:

That's weird, I can see the FOX logo in all of your videos

So what? Just watch it mate, or don't bother

Chippycafc

ThreadKiller said:

Very sad this, it's in response to 136 killings by police of black people this year. This is not the way to deal with it though

There were 236 killings of white people in the same period by the police. Dont see white people reacting this way.

Although that amounts to 0.4% compared to 2.4% if your black.

Chippycafc

My thoughts are with all those trhat have been killed on all sides.

ValleyGary

From the Department of Justice.

Trends by race
Blacks were disproportionately represented among homicide
victims and offenders

 In 2008, the homicide victimization rate for blacks (19.6
homicides per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for
whites (3.3 homicides per 100,000).

 Th e victimization rate for blacks peaked in the early 1990s,
reaching a high of 39.4 homicides per 100,000 in 1991 (figure 17).

 Aft er 1991, the victimization rate for blacks fell until 1999, when
it stabilized near 20 homicides per 100,000.

 In 2008, the off ending rate for blacks (24.7 off enders per
100,000) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4
off enders per 100,000) (figure 18).

 Th e off ending rate for blacks showed a similar pattern to the
victimization rate, peaking in the early 1990s at a high of 51.1
off enders per 100,000 in 1991.

 After 1991, the off ending rate for blacks declined until it reached
24 per 100,000 in 2004. Th e rate has since fluctuated, increasing
to 28.4 off enders per 100,000 in 2006 before falling again to 24.7
off enders per 100,000 in 2008.

Leuth

Leroy Ambrose said:

Huskaris said:

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

And what proportion of criminals?

Probably about the same proportion of criminals from every other race

actually

black people do have a higher criminal rate than other races, but this is because they tend to be prosecuted more successfully and because they're forced into relative socioeconomic poverty by ghettoisation and a rigged financial system, at which point crime often pays. the problem is an inherently racist state and a prison complex that needs black bodies in order to profit. keep them poor, keep them coming to jail

this goes hand-in-hand with the death-by-police rate being 2.5x higher for black ppl

hoof_it_up_to_benty

Only an idiot would argue that there isn't a big problem with racism in the States - with a history of segragation and lynchings it's hardly a surprise.
If an issue doesn't affect you it's easy to ignore it.

Leroy Ambrose

I meant 'actual criminals', as opposed to a criminalised population. Agree with the points raised about institutionalised racism, and whilst I normally take 'conspiracy theory' type stuff about 'the system' with a pinch of salt, I definitely agree that the prison business in the US relies on criminalising a huge swathe of the population to keep feeding it new meat.

I remember when I was a kid, lots of my mates were black - largely as a result of growing up and going to school in Deptford. I started to notice them drift away from me when I was about 14 - and didn't 'get it' at the time. It was only when I got to about 16 or 17 and the few black friends I had were getting regularly stopped by the gavvers (sometimes two or three times a night) that I started to twig - especially since I was a proper little shit at times and was more likely to ahve done something wrong than they had. Now imagine what it must be like to be black and go through all that shit in the US, where the coppers stopping you are heavily armed and quite possibly unhinged?

Thing is, the US is a particularly bad example of where brutal free-market economics ends up when it's allowed to run rampant and unchecked. Their country is, largely, fucked.

i_b_b_o_r_g

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Only an idiot would argue that there isn't a big problem with racism in the States - with a history of segragation and lynchings it's hardly a surprise.
If an issue doesn't affect you it's easy to ignore it.

I'd argue that only an idiot would be in complete denial of the fact that there's a massive problem in the black communities in most US cities with em shooting each other, leading in turn to the Police shooting them. Again, these the police in the latest 2 shooting look to be at fault, but that isn't necessarily the case for ALL of the others...IMO

Huskaris

ThreadKiller said:

Huskaris said:

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

And what proportion of criminals?

Wtf?

LouisMend said:

Huskaris said:

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

And what proportion of criminals?

Oh my.

Leroy Ambrose said:

Huskaris said:

Henry Irving said:

leftbehind said:

nth london addick said:

Of which 136 are African American mate

So the majority are not black then

#whitelivesmatter

but black people make up only 12.4% of the US population

And what proportion of criminals?

Probably about the same proportion of criminals from every other race

I should clarify, first of all this was a genuine question, and secondly no, black people do not commit less crime, there can be many arguments for why, the one I go for is socioeconomic, for example we know you are more likely to be a criminal if you come from a poorer background (less life options etc) and a lot of black people unfortunately come from a poorer background, and if you are a criminal you are more likely to get shot.

Simple question, lets not get too knee jerk about it..

Huskaris

Edit: Accidentally double posted

soapboxsam

53 years ago in Dallas, the best hope for Black America to make some progress disappeared with the Shooting of JFK. How ironic that the Grandchildren of black Americans from the 60's still feel the same way despite having a Black President.

redlanered

soapboxsam said:

53 years ago in Dallas, the best hope for Black America to make some progress disappeared with the Shooting of JFK. How ironic that the Grandchildren of black Americans from the 60's still feel the same way despite having a Black President.

IMO had MLK and Robert Kennedy not gone the same way then things would have progressed, however shocking JFK's assassination was. At that point it seemed that anyone trying to do the right thing was a target.

The gun culture is out of control. If everyone is (potentially) armed, then not surprisingly the police will overreact at the merest twitch from someone in a tense situation, and we know they are more likely to overreact more to people with particular profiles. Prison & arrest are not deterrents, which is why the jail population is ridiculously high.

bobmunro

redlanered said:

soapboxsam said:

53 years ago in Dallas, the best hope for Black America to make some progress disappeared with the Shooting of JFK. How ironic that the Grandchildren of black Americans from the 60's still feel the same way despite having a Black President.

IMO had MLK and Robert Kennedy not gone the same way then things would have progressed, however shocking JFK's assassination was. At that point it seemed that anyone trying to do the right thing was a target.

The gun culture is out of control. If everyone is (potentially) armed, then not surprisingly the police will overreact at the merest twitch from someone in a tense situation, and we know they are more likely to overreact more to people with particular profiles. Prison & arrest are not deterrents, which is why the jail population is ridiculously high.

Agreed. For me it was Bobby's death that ended the hope.

Henry Irving

To be fair LBJ did a lot to get the Great Society reforms through congress

another victim of a shooting - RIP Marvin

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1une7_marvin-gaye-abraham-martin-and-john_music

se9addick

bobmunro said:

redlanered said:

soapboxsam said:

53 years ago in Dallas, the best hope for Black America to make some progress disappeared with the Shooting of JFK. How ironic that the Grandchildren of black Americans from the 60's still feel the same way despite having a Black President.

IMO had MLK and Robert Kennedy not gone the same way then things would have progressed, however shocking JFK's assassination was. At that point it seemed that anyone trying to do the right thing was a target.

The gun culture is out of control. If everyone is (potentially) armed, then not surprisingly the police will overreact at the merest twitch from someone in a tense situation, and we know they are more likely to overreact more to people with particular profiles. Prison & arrest are not deterrents, which is why the jail population is ridiculously high.

Agreed. For me it was Bobby's death that ended the hope.

Are you writing to us from beyond the grave ?

bobmunro

se9addick said:

bobmunro said:

redlanered said:

soapboxsam said:

53 years ago in Dallas, the best hope for Black America to make some progress disappeared with the Shooting of JFK. How ironic that the Grandchildren of black Americans from the 60's still feel the same way despite having a Black President.

IMO had MLK and Robert Kennedy not gone the same way then things would have progressed, however shocking JFK's assassination was. At that point it seemed that anyone trying to do the right thing was a target.

The gun culture is out of control. If everyone is (potentially) armed, then not surprisingly the police will overreact at the merest twitch from someone in a tense situation, and we know they are more likely to overreact more to people with particular profiles. Prison & arrest are not deterrents, which is why the jail population is ridiculously high.

Agreed. For me it was Bobby's death that ended the hope.

Are you writing to us from beyond the grave ?

Not for a while yet - I hope.