CARD Statement: 22nd July

jamescafc

The sensible decision but similarly a huge protest on day 1 would have made a very serious statement. I understand many saying, lets see how the team do etc but it's slightly irrelevant to me. Winning under this regime is not the same and that's why I won't renew my ST despite it driving me mad.

oohaahmortimer

good measured approach from CARD because there are plenty willing to blame any old crap that happens on the protestors
We have plenty of fans willing to ignore the disgraceful approach by our current owners but it 'twas ever thus
#lamefans

GlassHalfFull

I fully support the statement and all its sentiments. It's my firm belief that despite his playing hard-to-get RD will now try to sell the club as quickly as possible. C.A.R.D. have to prepare not only a new campaign to dislodge the present owner but also to offer meaningful assurances of the utmost goodwill to whomsoever our new guv'nor will be. That all requires a very careful and mature touch.

This will be a long old season but imho ultimately a successful one both on and off the pitch. I look forward to BDL's restoration to the touchline accompanied for once not by TRRR but by the first few notes of Beethoven's Fifth ....

RalphMilnesgut

Sensible

Dave2l

Good statement from CARD.

ElfsborgAddick said:

rememberbillybonds said:

I am not fully supportive of the statement. KM has shown contempt for the supporters and an inability to carry out the role of CEO. The statement and intention should remain that she must be removed.
My feeling is the statement takes pressure off RD and KM.
let's say if the sofa is there for game 1 then she shows nothing has been learned.

Squirrel face is going nowhere.

If she is still here after the Liar bedsheet, she is here for the long haul I'm afraid.

My fear is that Roland Duchatelet will ruin the club, if it hasn't been ruined already.

There is no way to stop him.

The only thing is to either wait for him to die (I don't wish death on people)

Then his kids will hopefully sell the asset as quickly as possible because it's losing them money and it's a pointless thing for them to own.

Getting Meire to resign is the big one. That will really send a message. That might make him seriously consider things.

Something that is probably more of a challenge then 1st thought.

She is not a strong individual. She is a weak individual and she believes the fact that she still opposes the fans overwhelming wishes for her to leave, she is still in the job, makes her a strong individual...and it has probably impressed Roland. He is impressed the "thick skin" and stubbornness she has demonstrated throughout all of this... That is what she holds on to, that is her motivator, to keep impressing RD.

Pass the sick bucket please.

I absolutely a million percent garuntee that Meire would have at atleast one point tried to discuss the idea of her leaving charlton but RD would have talked her out of it and gave her new found confidence she didn't deserve.

croydonaddick

I thought the whole protest was against RD and KM and how the club is being run on and off the pitch. It was stated that it definitely isn't just about poor match results or league position.

Now, as our preseason squad building seems to be following the same pattern as the last two years in building a squad with little depth, we are advised to move to wait and see how we get on jn the first month of the season! To me that will suggest to people outside Charlton that it is really only about results. I hope we do well in the league, I quite like Russell Slade and think he will certainly do his best, and has more chance than all the previous managers since Chris Powell due to his experience. I am a bit confused at this stance now though .

BDL

Good statement, no Charlton fan wants the team to fail and we all want Russell Slade to be successful.

It's very much in our interests for the team to do well this season and get back to the Championship as the alternative is the continuing demise of our club.

For me it's always been a case of back the team and not the regime. Players have said that they are not affected by the protests, in fact those who have left have indicated their support for the fans.

My fear is the interference will continue, I don't think Roly can help himself. If it does I can't see Slade sticking around.

The one thing that we, the fans, have to do is stay united in our quest to get rid of this toxic regime.

C4FC4L1f3

Card are in for a shock this season I think, they won't get the following they did
last season, and the protests that have been most productive will fail with no one there to take part.

A large section of support don't live anywhere near the valley and won't go to just protest then go home.

It is a shame but I feel we had our chance and now is the time to be more disruptive in more creative ways and with smaller numbers.

Anyway good statement none the less. Good luck to all taking part in any protests at the valley next season.

DOUCHER

Good sensible approach from CARD who now have my full support again. Promotion has to be in our interests and must be given every chance.

Airman Brown

croydonaddick said:

I thought the whole protest was against RD and KM and how the club is being run on and off the pitch. It was stated that it definitely isn't just about poor match results or league position.

Now, as our preseason squad building seems to be following the same pattern as the last two years in building a squad with little depth, we are advised to move to wait and see how we get on jn the first month of the season! To me that will suggest to people outside Charlton that it is really only about results. I hope we do well in the league, I quite like Russell Slade and think he will certainly do his best, and has more chance than all the previous managers since Chris Powell due to his experience. I am a bit confused at this stance now though .

Consider what the reaction would have been if CARD had made the opposite statement. It would, I think, have led to a major split among fans not disposed to support Meire and Duchatelet and much bad feeling between supporters on the relevant matchdays. It would not have reflected where the fans are. We need to be as united as possible to defeat the enemy, which is not each other.

I also think we need to avoid overreacting to this signing and that sale; victory or defeat at Bury. This position allows CARD to do that, which is why I am among its advocates, even though I think Meire is untenable as chief executive and Duchatelet is untenable as owner and that this will continue to be confirmed again and again by events.

AFKABartram

Interesting range of views. I only get to see other fans opinions based on what's posted on here or on Twitter, but I sense from what's been posted there was a bit of an anti-CARD momentum brewing.

The season ended with lets face it, virtually the whole ground protesting in the last couple of games, and I've flicked back through CARD's Facebook and Twitter pages and they had not really said anything since the players came back for pre-season training, so I'm not sure there was / is anything tangible to derive such a kick back in recent weeks.

People can protest how they like, when they like, but if a 'group' is attempting to do so in a wider collective way then its crucial imo that the majority of supporters are on the same path and that organisation is helping to enhance it. it will never, ever be perfect and it will never have everyone on board whether through disagreement in the motive or action, or just plainly on a personality basis. But it has to appeal / be sympathetic and represent the majority view to an extent. If there is division, then that just becomes a mass distraction to ultimately what should be the primary purpose.

By looking at results, its clear to see that on the games where big protests occurred it actually had a positive effect on our players (bar the very end when we were down).

But I think its equally clear that there is a growing number of people that don't want that distraction to occur from the start, that the new manager and playing squad should be given an opportunity to find their way without the anti-regime stuff dominating the games. There is still a large percentage of the match going support where what happens on the pitch is all that matters.

With that in mind, I think CARD have done the right thing in what they have said.

ElfsborgAddick

Dave2l said:

Good statement from CARD.

ElfsborgAddick said:

rememberbillybonds said:

I am not fully supportive of the statement. KM has shown contempt for the supporters and an inability to carry out the role of CEO. The statement and intention should remain that she must be removed.
My feeling is the statement takes pressure off RD and KM.
let's say if the sofa is there for game 1 then she shows nothing has been learned.

Squirrel face is going nowhere.

If she is still here after the Liar bedsheet, she is here for the long haul I'm afraid.

My fear is that Roland Duchatelet will ruin the club, if it hasn't been ruined already.

There is no way to stop him.

The only thing is to either wait for him to die (I don't wish death on people)

Then his kids will hopefully sell the asset as quickly as possible because it's losing them money and it's a pointless thing for them to own.

Getting Meire to resign is the big one. That will really send a message. That might make him seriously consider things.

Something that is probably more of a challenge then 1st thought.

She is not a strong individual. She is a weak individual and she believes the fact that she still opposes the fans overwhelming wishes for her to leave, she is still in the job, makes her a strong individual...and it has probably impressed Roland. He is impressed the "thick skin" and stubbornness she has demonstrated throughout all of this... That is what she holds on to, that is her motivator, to keep impressing RD.

Pass the sick bucket please.

I absolutely a million percent garuntee that Meire would have at atleast one point tried to discuss the idea of her leaving charlton but RD would have talked her out of it and gave her new found confidence she didn't deserve.

Agree with you totally.

My worry is that once Duchatelet sells he will cripple us. I am concerned we could ultimately flounder in the bottom two divisions for years.

ElfsborgAddick

BDL said:

Good statement, no Charlton fan wants the team to fail and we all want Russell Slade to be successful.

It's very much in our interests for the team to do well this season and get back to the Championship as the alternative is the continuing demise of our club.

For me it's always been a case of back the team and not the regime. Players have said that they are not affected by the protests, in fact those who have left have indicated their support for the fans.

My fear is the interference will continue, I don't think Roly can help himself. If it does I can't see Slade sticking around.

The one thing that we, the fans, have to do is stay united in our quest to get rid of this toxic regime.

Unfortunately I can see a division in the fans should we mount a promotion challenge this season.

ElfsborgAddick

C4FC4L1f3 said:

Card are in for a shock this season I think, they won't get the following they did
last season, and the protests that have been most productive will fail with no one there to take part.

A large section of support don't live anywhere near the valley and won't go to just protest then go home.

It is a shame but I feel we had our chance and now is the time to be more disruptive in more creative ways and with smaller numbers.

Anyway good statement none the less. Good luck to all taking part in any protests at the valley next season.

The ultimate protest has been achieved, 5000 fans not renewing.

oohaahmortimer

Any sign of promotion and there's plenty here ready to drop to their knees and swallow Roland's amazing adventure right up and make out how great everything is
And when the inevitable non promotion happens they can point to it took us 3 (or was it 4) seasons to get out last time whilst salivating over our brilliant training ground etc
#lamefans

vff

C4FC4L1f3 said:

Card are in for a shock this season I think, they won't get the following they did
last season, and the protests that have been most productive will fail with no one there to take part.

A large section of support don't live anywhere near the valley and won't go to just protest then go home.

It is a shame but I feel we had our chance and now is the time to be more disruptive in more creative ways and with smaller numbers.

Anyway good statement none the less. Good luck to all taking part in any protests at the valley next season.

Its true that I am not going to trek all the way to Charlton, to attend a protest and not a game but I will make an effort to attend on specific days. It's easy enough to purchase tickets online for non season ticket holders (with access to a computer / printer at home / work).

cherryorchard

GlassHalfFull said:

I fully support the statement and all its sentiments. It's my firm belief that despite his playing hard-to-get RD will now try to sell the club as quickly as possible. C.A.R.D. have to prepare not only a new campaign to dislodge the present owner but also to offer meaningful assurances of the utmost goodwill to whomsoever our new guv'nor will be. That all requires a very careful and mature touch.

This will be a long old season but imho ultimately a successful one both on and off the pitch. I look forward to BDL's restoration to the touchline accompanied for once not by TRRR but by the first few notes of Beethoven's Fifth ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZi_6FUbo-Q

letthegoodtimesroll

oohaahmortimer said:

Any sign of promotion and there's plenty here ready to drop to their knees and swallow Roland's amazing adventure right up and make out how great everything is
And when the inevitable non promotion happens they can point to it took us 3 (or was it 4) seasons to get out last time whilst salivating over our brilliant training ground etc
#lamefans

Nobody ever became a football fan of any club because it had great owners. It's all about the match day experience(s) and results, results, results. There's no mileage in knocking fellow fans if the team does well and the fans get behind them.

ElfsborgAddick

letthegoodtimesroll said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Any sign of promotion and there's plenty here ready to drop to their knees and swallow Roland's amazing adventure right up and make out how great everything is
And when the inevitable non promotion happens they can point to it took us 3 (or was it 4) seasons to get out last time whilst salivating over our brilliant training ground etc
#lamefans

Nobody ever became a football fan of any club because it had great owners. It's all about the match day experience(s) and results, results, results. There's no mileage in knocking fellow fans if the team does well and the fans get behind them.

Yes. Results, results, results.

You live in hope don't you? Regardless of the collapse going on.

WhenIwasLittleBoy

CASACARD. The way forward. Charlton Athletic Supporters Against CARD

oohaahmortimer

If people can't see the disrespect this ownership has shown to our fans with their pathetic statements and ridiculous approach to OUR club and are happy to ignore it then they are the lucky ones , we can't make the blind see

Davo55

It might be worth pointing out that, when CARD are considering both their broader stance and specific protest ideas, these are evaluated against three criteria:

Impact - what effect will it have on the club, on morale of fans, in the media

Feasibility - can we actually do it, do we have the manpower and financial resources required

Acceptability - will it be broadly acceptable to CARD activists/volunteers, protesters and fans in general

CARD does not represent or try to speak for all fans, but CARD are very conscious of their responsibility to reflect appropriately the prevailing "mood". That's easy when everyone is very pissed off; less so when there is a spectrum of views.

vff

CARD statement is good, measured & reasonable. It keeps at the core of everything of supporting the team and making it clear all Charlton supporters want success on the pitch and for the team to do well. The evidence of Duchatelet & Meire actions so far, suggest that they are unlikely to bring success, but there is always that remote possibility.

The proof of the pudding is always in the eating. The recipe is not looking that it has not changed that much from the previous season so far in terms of squad depth / quality & leaving everything to the last minue. The strength and depth of the squad at the end of the transfer window will tell Charlton supporters the state of things.

clb74

Do we know how much of the fan Base card represent

daveydanger

Not really sure how you separate results and the regime. It is cause and effect.

Poor management off the field has caused bad results and relegation, and in turn generated protests.

If we start to be successful on the pitch, it will only be as a result of a change of policy and improved dealings within the management structure - and in turn possibly dampening protest.

So to create this imaginary scenario where fans are stupid for being placated by on-pitch success makes no sense at all. Or would some just protest for protests sake?

vff

If Duchatelet maintained all the best players in the squad, got a top quality squad together, made sure all the key back room positions were well staffed (is there a team doctor yet?), got everything in place early, so the team has a chance to gel and this led to a top 2 finish and promotion, then very few would protest about that.

That hasn't happened so far. It could all turn around in the next 6 weeks but the evidence supporting that is looking sketchy.

C4FC4L1f3

vff said:

C4FC4L1f3 said:

Card are in for a shock this season I think, they won't get the following they did
last season, and the protests that have been most productive will fail with no one there to take part.

A large section of support don't live anywhere near the valley and won't go to just protest then go home.

It is a shame but I feel we had our chance and now is the time to be more disruptive in more creative ways and with smaller numbers.

Anyway good statement none the less. Good luck to all taking part in any protests at the valley next season.

Its true that I am not going to trek all the way to Charlton, to attend a protest and not a game but I will make an effort to attend on specific days. It's easy enough to purchase tickets online for non season ticket holders (with access to a computer / printer at home / work).

Oh absolutely there will be the odd few, but even if a "war cry" goes out people won't bother that's the facts.

I'm not critiscising CARD they do a fantastic job, it is just then need to cast the net a bit more and seek others opinions on protest ideas.

I think there is a lot we can do online and against sponsors, but also abroad I still feel thats where the war will ultimately be won, I would love to see thousands of fans turn up in Sint trident and protest, it would really get Roland angry IMO.

I also think that CARD need to remember they represent the fans and this is a very important role. They are there to represent us and constant feedback needs to be gauged not just from the same volunteers, online surveys are a great way to get people's opinions.

In saying that I must say when I have ideas I float them past @Addickted2TheReds and he always considers them and they are discussed.

I think it would also be a good idea to setup another Woolwich meeting again, as that was great the last time before card existed etc... Let people stand up and talk to fans inform them. Also perhaps someone on a box with a good megaphone keeping people updated at the valley,

Not everyone knows all the facts hence the 5k still willing to buy season tick to.

Goonerhater

weird well at least 25 of it is

roseandcrown

The way it's looking September will be fun

wmcf123

Will the policy change if Slade goes before then ?