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  • Rob7Lee said:
    I see GameStop continues to go down, hopefully people were able to get out and take a profit rather than a loss, we know it hurt the hedge fund but must be a lot of people sitting on losses right now.
    https://tradesmithdaily.com/investing-strategies/the-drop-in-gamestop-short-interest-could-be-real-or-deceptive-market-manipulation/
  • So no interest rate rise/reduction from the BoE today as expected, but they have asked banks to prepare for negative interest rates in the future. I still think that is highly unlikely and even less likely to make it's way down to savers/deposits, but a loose warning to not keep too much in cash if you can help it. 
  • The big banks computer software systems cannot I think cope with negative interest rates for retail customers 
  • NatWest used to record interest rates in 1/8’s when I worked on their accounting system and it started from 0 so can confirm could not do negative interest rates. I think they then upgrade the system to record interest rates in 1/1000 but again wouldn’t have considered negative interest rates.

    I assume that most other banks would have been similar. To cater for negative interest rates would take them 6 to 12 months development time for a team of 6 to 10 people to work on, based on my experience of their systems and development cycles/testing.
  • SE9toDA2 said:
    NatWest used to record interest rates in 1/8’s when I worked on their accounting system and it started from 0 so can confirm could not do negative interest rates. I think they then upgrade the system to record interest rates in 1/1000 but again wouldn’t have considered negative interest rates.

    I assume that most other banks would have been similar. To cater for negative interest rates would take them 6 to 12 months development time for a team of 6 to 10 people to work on, based on my experience of their systems and development cycles/testing.
    As someone from a Digital bank said, “at least we don’t have to switch off for 2 hours to put the clocks back”
  • The BofE has been talking to Banks about negative interest rates for over 6 months & this is one if the reasons why - making sure that they have the systems in place to cope with it.

    FWIW, I don't think negative rates will come in - certainly not for retail customers. The BofE don't want to see people pulling money out of "safe havens" and having to find somewhere else to put it. Would be like having a run on a bank & would cause unease & even panic for some people.
  • I was still getting over 1% at Charter Savings Bank but that's all ending. I had a pot of cash in a fixed rate 1 year bond, which is maturing. The new rate they offer is 0.55%. I keep this cash pot as a separate stash for healthcare needs (paid into this instead of paying the exorbitant premiums that expats pay to BUPA or PPP, and it has handsomely paid off so far because thankfully nothing happened to call on the cash).

    But I think I will now have to put this into a low cost, low risk tracker portfolio. I'm pretty sure I can beat half a percent this year.
  • bobmunro said:
    The BofE has been talking to Banks about negative interest rates for over 6 months & this is one if the reasons why - making sure that they have the systems in place to cope with it.

    FWIW, I don't think negative rates will come in - certainly not for retail customers. The BofE don't want to see people pulling money out of "safe havens" and having to find somewhere else to put it. Would be like having a run on a bank & would cause unease & even panic for some people.

    Too late - I've already hollowed out a mattress in anticipation!
    That'll be a super kingsize  :D
  • I was still getting over 1% at Charter Savings Bank but that's all ending. I had a pot of cash in a fixed rate 1 year bond, which is maturing. The new rate they offer is 0.55%. I keep this cash pot as a separate stash for healthcare needs (paid into this instead of paying the exorbitant premiums that expats pay to BUPA or PPP, and it has handsomely paid off so far because thankfully nothing happened to call on the cash).

    But I think I will now have to put this into a low cost, low risk tracker portfolio. I'm pretty sure I can beat half a percent this year.
    I wish I'd self-insured with my critical illness cover.  

    Perhaps @golfaddick could explain but I never did understand (the salesman's schtick) that buying the cover when I was young would make it cheaper later on.  It doesn't appear to build up units (at least, there's very little cash-in value in any given year) and the annual re-rating seems to track the market. I think he saw me coming.  Very happy I've never had to claim on it, saying that.

    As for health cover, I was recently introduced to a new market entrant to the UK, a US mutual that blew away my current cover for much less than the renewal (WPA Health).  Aviva were pretty clearly charging me a base 'membership fee' and then recovering any claims in later years, so it makes sense the mutual approach could offer more for less.

    Finally, for 1 year bonds, do track these guys for when they open shop again ... https://smartsavebank.co.uk.  They are usually very slightly above the best rate, when they are 'open'.  As they are a new, growing bank (but with a BoE deposit license, so FSCS protected), and given the current Covid risks on the other credit of their balance sheet, they're having to grow slowly at the moment.
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  • I was still getting over 1% at Charter Savings Bank but that's all ending. I had a pot of cash in a fixed rate 1 year bond, which is maturing. The new rate they offer is 0.55%. I keep this cash pot as a separate stash for healthcare needs (paid into this instead of paying the exorbitant premiums that expats pay to BUPA or PPP, and it has handsomely paid off so far because thankfully nothing happened to call on the cash).

    But I think I will now have to put this into a low cost, low risk tracker portfolio. I'm pretty sure I can beat half a percent this year.
    Even Vanguard's 20% equity fund would give you 5% pa.
  • I was still getting over 1% at Charter Savings Bank but that's all ending. I had a pot of cash in a fixed rate 1 year bond, which is maturing. The new rate they offer is 0.55%. I keep this cash pot as a separate stash for healthcare needs (paid into this instead of paying the exorbitant premiums that expats pay to BUPA or PPP, and it has handsomely paid off so far because thankfully nothing happened to call on the cash).

    But I think I will now have to put this into a low cost, low risk tracker portfolio. I'm pretty sure I can beat half a percent this year.
    Even Vanguard's 20% equity fund would give you 5% pa.
    Yes, I have a fair bit of it, its a cornerstone of my SIPP as I reduce risk there. Way to go, I guess
  • I was still getting over 1% at Charter Savings Bank but that's all ending. I had a pot of cash in a fixed rate 1 year bond, which is maturing. The new rate they offer is 0.55%. I keep this cash pot as a separate stash for healthcare needs (paid into this instead of paying the exorbitant premiums that expats pay to BUPA or PPP, and it has handsomely paid off so far because thankfully nothing happened to call on the cash).

    But I think I will now have to put this into a low cost, low risk tracker portfolio. I'm pretty sure I can beat half a percent this year.
    I wish I'd self-insured with my critical illness cover.  

    Perhaps @golfaddick could explain but I never did understand (the salesman's schtick) that buying the cover when I was young would make it cheaper later on.  It doesn't appear to build up units (at least, there's very little cash-in value in any given year) and the annual re-rating seems to track the market. I think he saw me coming.  Very happy I've never had to claim on it, saying that.

    As for health cover, I was recently introduced to a new market entrant to the UK, a US mutual that blew away my current cover for much less than the renewal (WPA Health).  Aviva were pretty clearly charging me a base 'membership fee' and then recovering any claims in later years, so it makes sense the mutual approach could offer more for less.

    Finally, for 1 year bonds, do track these guys for when they open shop again ... https://smartsavebank.co.uk.  They are usually very slightly above the best rate, when they are 'open'.  As they are a new, growing bank (but with a BoE deposit license, so FSCS protected), and given the current Covid risks on the other credit of their balance sheet, they're having to grow slowly at the moment.
    Depends on what type of CI cover you have. I'm assuming it's a Whole of Life plan rather than a term policy. WOL will be unitised & have some form of investment element, but to get any meaningful return /no uplift of premiums you will need Standard or Full cover. Lots were sold on a Maximum cover /minimum premium basis which meant that after 10 years or so the premiums would be reviewed which invariably meant the cost would go up. 

    Been a long time since I sold any WOL but I do have clients with those types of plans.....but at the time working for the BMA we always tried to sell on a Standard Cover basis so if any premium adjustments took place they would be minimal. 
  • Just seen an announcement that a protest is planned for tomorrow 8am, so the markets maybe all over the shop.

    MillionTradeMarch they are calling it? Anyone know where this is being arranged?
  • I was still getting over 1% at Charter Savings Bank but that's all ending. I had a pot of cash in a fixed rate 1 year bond, which is maturing. The new rate they offer is 0.55%. I keep this cash pot as a separate stash for healthcare needs (paid into this instead of paying the exorbitant premiums that expats pay to BUPA or PPP, and it has handsomely paid off so far because thankfully nothing happened to call on the cash).

    But I think I will now have to put this into a low cost, low risk tracker portfolio. I'm pretty sure I can beat half a percent this year.
    I wish I'd self-insured with my critical illness cover.  

    Perhaps @golfaddick could explain but I never did understand (the salesman's schtick) that buying the cover when I was young would make it cheaper later on.  It doesn't appear to build up units (at least, there's very little cash-in value in any given year) and the annual re-rating seems to track the market. I think he saw me coming.  Very happy I've never had to claim on it, saying that.

    As for health cover, I was recently introduced to a new market entrant to the UK, a US mutual that blew away my current cover for much less than the renewal (WPA Health).  Aviva were pretty clearly charging me a base 'membership fee' and then recovering any claims in later years, so it makes sense the mutual approach could offer more for less.

    Finally, for 1 year bonds, do track these guys for when they open shop again ... https://smartsavebank.co.uk.  They are usually very slightly above the best rate, when they are 'open'.  As they are a new, growing bank (but with a BoE deposit license, so FSCS protected), and given the current Covid risks on the other credit of their balance sheet, they're having to grow slowly at the moment.
    Depends on what type of CI cover you have. I'm assuming it's a Whole of Life plan rather than a term policy. WOL will be unitised & have some form of investment element, but to get any meaningful return /no uplift of premiums you will need Standard or Full cover. Lots were sold on a Maximum cover /minimum premium basis which meant that after 10 years or so the premiums would be reviewed which invariably meant the cost would go up. 

    Been a long time since I sold any WOL but I do have clients with those types of plans.....but at the time working for the BMA we always tried to sell on a Standard Cover basis so if any premium adjustments took place they would be minimal. 
    Thanks, very helpful.  

    Took this out about 25 years ago after a health scare.  It covers life and critical illness and can pay out on critical illness and life; pretty sure it's WOL.  

    I suspect it is then max cover/min premium as it seems to go up every year and then significantly every five years.  The last time I spoke to anyone at the insurance co, they said that they don't sell these policies any more and the inference was they weren't good value.  Time for a review!
  • I was still getting over 1% at Charter Savings Bank but that's all ending. I had a pot of cash in a fixed rate 1 year bond, which is maturing. The new rate they offer is 0.55%. I keep this cash pot as a separate stash for healthcare needs (paid into this instead of paying the exorbitant premiums that expats pay to BUPA or PPP, and it has handsomely paid off so far because thankfully nothing happened to call on the cash).

    But I think I will now have to put this into a low cost, low risk tracker portfolio. I'm pretty sure I can beat half a percent this year.
    I wish I'd self-insured with my critical illness cover.  

    Perhaps @golfaddick could explain but I never did understand (the salesman's schtick) that buying the cover when I was young would make it cheaper later on.  It doesn't appear to build up units (at least, there's very little cash-in value in any given year) and the annual re-rating seems to track the market. I think he saw me coming.  Very happy I've never had to claim on it, saying that.

    As for health cover, I was recently introduced to a new market entrant to the UK, a US mutual that blew away my current cover for much less than the renewal (WPA Health).  Aviva were pretty clearly charging me a base 'membership fee' and then recovering any claims in later years, so it makes sense the mutual approach could offer more for less.

    Finally, for 1 year bonds, do track these guys for when they open shop again ... https://smartsavebank.co.uk.  They are usually very slightly above the best rate, when they are 'open'.  As they are a new, growing bank (but with a BoE deposit license, so FSCS protected), and given the current Covid risks on the other credit of their balance sheet, they're having to grow slowly at the moment.
    Depends on what type of CI cover you have. I'm assuming it's a Whole of Life plan rather than a term policy. WOL will be unitised & have some form of investment element, but to get any meaningful return /no uplift of premiums you will need Standard or Full cover. Lots were sold on a Maximum cover /minimum premium basis which meant that after 10 years or so the premiums would be reviewed which invariably meant the cost would go up. 

    Been a long time since I sold any WOL but I do have clients with those types of plans.....but at the time working for the BMA we always tried to sell on a Standard Cover basis so if any premium adjustments took place they would be minimal. 
    Thanks, very helpful.  

    Took this out about 25 years ago after a health scare.  It covers life and critical illness and can pay out on critical illness and life; pretty sure it's WOL.  

    I suspect it is then max cover/min premium as it seems to go up every year and then significantly every five years.  The last time I spoke to anyone at the insurance co, they said that they don't sell these policies any more and the inference was they weren't good value.  Time for a review!
    Problem is, because you are now that much older, I doubt you will get anything much cheaper. 

    The other thing to bear in mind is that it HAS been good value because you've been covered over that time for a (relatively) small premium. If you had been offered Standard cover at the time you would probably have baulked at the cost & maybe not taken out any cover at all. 

    You can buy a Mercedes with a Ford budget.  
  • edited February 2021
    Been amazing return, even over the last 6 months.

    I'll just have to settle for only doubling my money on Go Ahead and a bit better on Metro Bank. Just need Tullow to pick up a bit more and Capita to keep moving on up and to do better on Premium bonds :D .

    Musk and Tesla is interesting, surely he's playing the market, buy some, tell everyone he has and the price goes up 10-20%.
  • Have too much in Santander bank account with direct debits etc. Think I need to change so anyone any thoughts on a Virgin money account.
  • Have too much in Santander bank account with direct debits etc. Think I need to change so anyone any thoughts on a Virgin money account.
    Put the excess in a stock and shares ISA, loads of good ones out there, I use Wealthsimple for mine. 

    as for current accounts, I'm with a digital bank, but depends on your needs 
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  • Rob7Lee said:
    Been amazing return, even over the last 6 months.

    I'll just have to settle for only doubling my money on Go Ahead and a bit better on Metro Bank. Just need Tullow to pick up a bit more and Capita to keep moving on up and to do better on Premium bonds :D .

    Musk and Tesla is interesting, surely he's playing the market, buy some, tell everyone he has and the price goes up 10-20%.
    Don't forget CGT on those returns......or as its "hidden money" do you think many people wont bother telling the taxman. 

    Which leads me to an interesting thought. I spoke to a client today who wants to "sell" her daughter 50% of one of her BTL's. Client has 8 altogether (all mortgaged) & being 75 is looking at her overall situation. She rang me as she has a mortgage on said BTL and lender has says that the mortgage would have to change because of the new ownership. Client thinks she can just give her daughter 50% of the property just like that. I said as a minimum she would need to transfer the equity, pay stamp duty & have it all done legally. 

    I asked for the reason for all this & she said she was worried about IHT. At the last count her net worth (property values less mortgages) would be close to £2.5m, which also includes her residential property. 

    I said it might be best just to sell the property to her daughter (as she had done with 1 other BTL that she had) and the proceeds pay off her existing mortgage. Her daughter would get a BTL to service this. She is contemplating that but she then said that the "purchase price" would have to be around £450-475k. Zoopla estimates property to be worth £730k. Problems are many, mains one being that the outstanding mortgage is £380k & any new lender would only lend on the "purchase price" rather than the actual value. Problem then being max LTV  would be 80% and therefore daughter could only raise £350k so not even enough to clear existing mortgage, let alone give her mum some money to help pay the CGT bill.

    All this comes down to the fact my client doesn't want to sell normally & incur a very large CGT bill. She paid £225k for the property 20 years ago, so thats 28% on a gain of c£500k. Ouch !!

    Which really led me to believe that my general advice on buying property over other investments (especially collective & ISA's) is rather sound. Not sure if an ISA portfolio over 20 years would have turned £225k into £735k, but it would all be tax free- and the £735k is in reality a net £600k. Ok, my client had also received (taxable) income on the rental property (£2k per month) but I'm not sure all the hassle is  really worth it. As @rob7lee has commented before, BTL can be lucrative because of the gearing involved, but unless you have an exit strategy & happy with the tax implications when you start to unwind your position, I'm still not sure if it is really worth it.
     
  • Rothko said:
    Have too much in Santander bank account with direct debits etc. Think I need to change so anyone any thoughts on a Virgin money account.
    Put the excess in a stock and shares ISA, loads of good ones out there, I use Wealthsimple for mine. 

    as for current accounts, I'm with a digital bank, but depends on your needs 
    Thanks,just put my tax allowance into a stocks ISA with fidelity. Just want a current account that pays more than Santander.
  • Rob7Lee said:
    Been amazing return, even over the last 6 months.

    I'll just have to settle for only doubling my money on Go Ahead and a bit better on Metro Bank. Just need Tullow to pick up a bit more and Capita to keep moving on up and to do better on Premium bonds :D .

    Musk and Tesla is interesting, surely he's playing the market, buy some, tell everyone he has and the price goes up 10-20%.
    Don't forget CGT on those returns......or as its "hidden money" do you think many people wont bother telling the taxman. 

    Which leads me to an interesting thought. I spoke to a client today who wants to "sell" her daughter 50% of one of her BTL's. Client has 8 altogether (all mortgaged) & being 75 is looking at her overall situation. She rang me as she has a mortgage on said BTL and lender has says that the mortgage would have to change because of the new ownership. Client thinks she can just give her daughter 50% of the property just like that. I said as a minimum she would need to transfer the equity, pay stamp duty & have it all done legally. 

    I asked for the reason for all this & she said she was worried about IHT. At the last count her net worth (property values less mortgages) would be close to £2.5m, which also includes her residential property. 

    I said it might be best just to sell the property to her daughter (as she had done with 1 other BTL that she had) and the proceeds pay off her existing mortgage. Her daughter would get a BTL to service this. She is contemplating that but she then said that the "purchase price" would have to be around £450-475k. Zoopla estimates property to be worth £730k. Problems are many, mains one being that the outstanding mortgage is £380k & any new lender would only lend on the "purchase price" rather than the actual value. Problem then being max LTV  would be 80% and therefore daughter could only raise £350k so not even enough to clear existing mortgage, let alone give her mum some money to help pay the CGT bill.

    All this comes down to the fact my client doesn't want to sell normally & incur a very large CGT bill. She paid £225k for the property 20 years ago, so thats 28% on a gain of c£500k. Ouch !!

    Which really led me to believe that my general advice on buying property over other investments (especially collective & ISA's) is rather sound. Not sure if an ISA portfolio over 20 years would have turned £225k into £735k, but it would all be tax free- and the £735k is in reality a net £600k. Ok, my client had also received (taxable) income on the rental property (£2k per month) but I'm not sure all the hassle is  really worth it. As @rob7lee has commented before, BTL can be lucrative because of the gearing involved, but unless you have an exit strategy & happy with the tax implications when you start to unwind your position, I'm still not sure if it is really worth it.
     
    Her mistake was holding these individually, as soon as she had more than one she should have held them as a company and could have added her daughter as a director and share holder, would have been very very effective in passing it on upon her death.

    Too late unfortunately and probably too costly now as she'd have to sell them to the Ltd Company although it may help in the longer run with IHT the costs may well outweigh the benefit.
  • COVID stocks moving nicely upwards and as for Bitcoin...................... just don’t get it, shows how influential Mr Musk is, and Mode a bloody Bitcoin buying App soaring ahead. 
  • Any thoughts on the future of technology funds, many of which has done incredibly well over the last 12-18 months? 
  • jamescafc said:
    Any thoughts on the future of technology funds, many of which has done incredibly well over the last 12-18 months? 
    They don't show many signs of dropping. I'd hold for now.

    After my sale of the America's and some of Baillie Gifford I'm at an all time high in My SIPP after a short dip a week or so ago.
  • My cannabis ETF was up 13% yesterday.
  • COVID stocks moving nicely upwards and as for Bitcoin...................... just don’t get it, shows how influential Mr Musk is, and Mode a bloody Bitcoin buying App soaring ahead. 
    The influence of Musk is rather worrying - people will buy anything if he tells them to. Long term investment has been replaced by speculation.

    Plenty of bubbles out there at present.
  • Rob7Lee said:
    jamescafc said:
    Any thoughts on the future of technology funds, many of which has done incredibly well over the last 12-18 months? 
    They don't show many signs of dropping. I'd hold for now.

    After my sale of the America's and some of Baillie Gifford I'm at an all time high in My SIPP after a short dip a week or so ago.
    Same here.

    I track my funds daily & over the past week all my equity funds apart from Japan have been moving up & my bond funds going sideways - with my Vanguard gilt fund actually falling over that time. 
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