do me a favour - if rd wanted to sell, he would - if a buyer wanted to buy, he would send rd's bank an offer - its that simple. There is no official boycott, card main players r attending games, most with season tickets. Get down there, help the team get promoted and rd can sell up - dave 21 is right - don't b a martyr - its irrelevant and only hurting yourself
I'm not aware that ANY of the "CARD main players" have season tickets, never mind "most", although if they did that would still be a matter for them as it is for anyone else. I don't know what an "official boycott" would be if there was one either.
I'm not aware that ANY of the "CARD main players" have season tickets, never mind "most", although if they did that would still be a matter for them as it is for anyone else. I don't know what an "official boycott" would be if there was one either.
My five year old boy mentioned wanting a Chelsea kit this morning. My first reaction was to reject the little shit and put him up for adoption but my other half isn't playing ball. The next idea was to get him down to The Valley to see a game next week. Can I break the boycott in these extreme circumstances or is soaking up the atmosphere in SE7 going to do more harm than good?
I'm not aware that ANY of the "CARD main players" have season tickets, never mind "most", although if they did that would still be a matter for them as it is for anyone else. I don't know what an "official boycott" would be if there was one either.
My five year old boy mentioned wanting a Chelsea kit this morning. My first reaction was to reject the little shit and put him up for adoption but my other half isn't playing ball. The next idea was to get him down to The Valley to see a game next week. Can I break the boycott in these extreme circumstances or is soaking up the atmosphere in SE7 going to do more harm than good?
there is no boycott and the atmosphere is good but will be better with more people - if u can forget the politics you will have a good day out but the kit might have to wait
I'm not aware that ANY of the "CARD main players" have season tickets, never mind "most", although if they did that would still be a matter for them as it is for anyone else. I don't know what an "official boycott" would be if there was one either.
I'm not aware that ANY of the "CARD main players" have season tickets, never mind "most", although if they did that would still be a matter for them as it is for anyone else. I don't know what an "official boycott" would be if there was one either.
do u have a season ticket airman?
That's bloody poor form chap
well, i was told otherwise but was surprised so thought i'd ask the question
I have been going to every game for every season. My boycott is a bit more subtle than a plain boycott - I will go to a small number of games because I am a Charlton fan and will be till I die. But it will be a small number and I wont spend a penny at the club outside of those few tickets. I am making a stand in my opinion because a) It hurts me not to go - it's bloody hard and b) I am spending a massive amount less.
I would say in terms of your son Santa - take him. You can't have him supporting Chelsea can you?
@Airman Brown So you know people who have been in 'direct contact' with RD? Who might they be? I know, I know, you can't say. But RD has told them it was KM who prevented potential buyers from meeting him.Is that what you're trying to imply here?
If I was Ducahetelet and I had decided to entrust one of my hobby football clubs to someone, I would ask that person about any key decisions involving the club.
I may well have misplaced my trust, but if we still have a plan of sorts together I wouldn't exclude them until I had decided to drop them. And that doesn't seem to be happening.
there is no boycott and the atmosphere is good but will be better with more people - if u can forget the politics you will have a good day out but the kit might have to wait
How can you claim that there is no boycott, when many people have clearly stated that they are boycotting?
there is no boycott and the atmosphere is good but will be better with more people - if u can forget the politics you will have a good day out but the kit might have to wait
How can you claim that there is no boycott, when many people have clearly stated that they are boycotting?
Indeed.
I wonder where Doucher thinks all the fans have disappeared to.
@Airman Brown So you know people who have been in 'direct contact' with RD? Who might they be? I know, I know, you can't say. But RD has told them it was KM who prevented potential buyers from meeting him.Is that what you're trying to imply here?
Doucher you keep going on about RD selling if we get promoted to the Championship
Well I'm prepared to have a charity bet for the Upbeats that if and when we get promoted to the Championship he won't sell within the first season up
So the bet will only settle if the scenario of us getting promoted to the Championship with RD still as owner happens (then see if sold after promotion till the end of first season up) all other instances it will be a no bet
Doucher you keep going on about RD selling if we get promoted to the Championship
Well I'm prepared to have a charity bet for the Upbeats that if and when we get promoted to the Championship he won't sell within the first season up
So the bet will only settle if the scenario of us getting promoted to the Championship with RD still as owner happens (then see if sold after promotion till the end of first season up) all other instances it will be a no bet
More chance of a sale when we don't go up. He won't want to lose more money.
I don't think they have. They have like you suggested that we don't buy a season ticket but haven't told us not to go. They have suggested we don't put money in the owners pockets that can be avoided. I have decided not to go too much because I don't want to put money in his pocket!
there is no boycott and the atmosphere is good but will be better with more people - if u can forget the politics you will have a good day out but the kit might have to wait
How can you claim that there is no boycott, when many people have clearly stated that they are boycotting?
@Airman Brown So you know people who have been in 'direct contact' with RD? Who might they be? I know, I know, you can't say. But RD has told them it was KM who prevented potential buyers from meeting him.Is that what you're trying to imply here?
You haven't been keeping up.
Enlighten me. Oh, you mean Varney. So RD was willing to discuss a potential sale with him but KM put the the kibosh on it. Right.
The only person/people that are being hurt by the boycott are the boycotters.
Looking around the covered end last saturday afternoon and Tuesday night and it was full of people that are there for the social side of the game, the hope of seeing a good match and if they are lucky a win and if they are really lucky a good season. The signs are they are going to get all of these. Boycotting makes no sense because if the team does well then others will go to the valley (a la premiership years) buy the tickets and sit in those vacant seats.
But the team isn't going to do well, the ownership will see to that. It may do OK but what is on offer is third tier football, which we know from repeated experience does not attract additional supporters in any number and certainly won't replace those lost.
In reality, the people who boycotted Selhurst were vastly outnumbered by others who would have watched top flight football at The Valley but said no, not there, not in these circumstances - we can't be bothered.
That's what Meire and Duchatelet are achieving with their "unique offer" to watch the future stars of other clubs.
No need to argue about that - Meire was very clear that's what they want the club to be. It's only "unique" in the sense of being foolish as an objective and many absent fans are simply saying no, not now, not with you in charge - we can't bothered.
They can only fail.
Selhurst was slightly different in that even if supporters supported the idea of ground sharing, the sheer effort required to get there would put some off. If Charlton had ground shared with a mythical "Woolwich United" then the attendances would have been higher
I'm sure L1 football is having an effect. If Riga had somehow managed to scrape us to safety last season, I suspect attendances would be higher, even though we had the same owner with the same "philosophy"
L1 football is probably the single most reason gates are down, so far. Of course the negativity of the boycotters emphasising it's all Roland, Katrien and the regime's fault will have been a deciding factor for some but in reality it would have been the crap football last season, the inability to score and defend and the prospect of worse in L1 and the promise of the certain relegation by some on here that has probably made most fans stay away.
A good run by Russel's team of what is looking like players you can easily associate with as a charlton fan and get behind and support and the more positive attitude that's been shown by the fans in the ground in backing the team and manager will draw more fans back to the valley.
And if you don't think this team will do well just read the comments about Holmes, Ajose etc so far and consider that they've not yet had a lot of game time together to gel properly.
On tuesday night the covered end bars were doing a roaring trade at half time with queues I thought would never clear when I first saw the back of them snaking around but actually did move quickly with pre-poured pints so not much of a sign the boycott giving the regime money has a lot of support there.
It's personal choice whether to boycott or not but if the team does well the boycott will have had hardly any impact and the only losers will be those that stayed away on principle when they'd rather be watching football at the valley.
Doucher you keep going on about RD selling if we get promoted to the Championship
Well I'm prepared to have a charity bet for the Upbeats that if and when we get promoted to the Championship he won't sell within the first season up
So the bet will only settle if the scenario of us getting promoted to the Championship with RD still as owner happens (then see if sold after promotion till the end of first season up) all other instances it will be a no bet
Ok, but only if the same bet applies should we stay diw
Doucher you keep going on about RD selling if we get promoted to the Championship
Well I'm prepared to have a charity bet for the Upbeats that if and when we get promoted to the Championship he won't sell within the first season up
So the bet will only settle if the scenario of us getting promoted to the Championship with RD still as owner happens (then see if sold after promotion till the end of first season up) all other instances it will be a no bet
only if the same bet applies in reverse should we stay down and he doesnt sell in the first season -£20?
The only person/people that are being hurt by the boycott are the boycotters.
Looking around the covered end last saturday afternoon and Tuesday night and it was full of people that are there for the social side of the game, the hope of seeing a good match and if they are lucky a win and if they are really lucky a good season. The signs are they are going to get all of these. Boycotting makes no sense because if the team does well then others will go to the valley (a la premiership years) buy the tickets and sit in those vacant seats.
But the team isn't going to do well, the ownership will see to that. It may do OK but what is on offer is third tier football, which we know from repeated experience does not attract additional supporters in any number and certainly won't replace those lost.
In reality, the people who boycotted Selhurst were vastly outnumbered by others who would have watched top flight football at The Valley but said no, not there, not in these circumstances - we can't be bothered.
That's what Meire and Duchatelet are achieving with their "unique offer" to watch the future stars of other clubs.
No need to argue about that - Meire was very clear that's what they want the club to be. It's only "unique" in the sense of being foolish as an objective and many absent fans are simply saying no, not now, not with you in charge - we can't bothered.
They can only fail.
Selhurst was slightly different in that even if supporters supported the idea of ground sharing, the sheer effort required to get there would put some off. If Charlton had ground shared with a mythical "Woolwich United" then the attendances would have been higher
I'm sure L1 football is having an effect. If Riga had somehow managed to scrape us to safety last season, I suspect attendances would be higher, even though we had the same owner with the same "philosophy"
L1 football is probably the single most reason gates are down, so far. Of course the negativity of the boycotters emphasising it's all Roland, Katrien and the regime's fault will have been a deciding factor for some but in reality it would have been the crap football last season, the inability to score and defend and the prospect of worse in L1 and the promise of the certain relegation by some on here that has probably made most fans stay away.
A good run by Russel's team of what is looking like players you can easily associate with as a charlton fan and get behind and support and the more positive attitude that's been shown by the fans in the ground in backing the team and manager will draw more fans back to the valley.
And if you don't think this team will do well just read the comments about Holmes, Ajose etc so far and consider that they've not yet had a lot of game time together to gel properly.
On tuesday night the covered end bars were doing a roaring trade at half time with queues I thought would never clear when I first saw the back of them snaking around but actually did move quickly with pre-poured pints so not much of a sign the boycott giving the regime money has a lot of support there.
It's personal choice whether to boycott or not but if the team does well the boycott will have had hardly any impact and the only losers will be those that stayed away on principle when they'd rather be watching football at the valley.
Maybe comparing the league one gates this season and the recent seasons before will prove your point or kill it. You may be right, you may be wrong but you never lose doing things out of principle.
The only person/people that are being hurt by the boycott are the boycotters.
Looking around the covered end last saturday afternoon and Tuesday night and it was full of people that are there for the social side of the game, the hope of seeing a good match and if they are lucky a win and if they are really lucky a good season. The signs are they are going to get all of these. Boycotting makes no sense because if the team does well then others will go to the valley (a la premiership years) buy the tickets and sit in those vacant seats.
But the team isn't going to do well, the ownership will see to that. It may do OK but what is on offer is third tier football, which we know from repeated experience does not attract additional supporters in any number and certainly won't replace those lost.
In reality, the people who boycotted Selhurst were vastly outnumbered by others who would have watched top flight football at The Valley but said no, not there, not in these circumstances - we can't be bothered.
That's what Meire and Duchatelet are achieving with their "unique offer" to watch the future stars of other clubs.
No need to argue about that - Meire was very clear that's what they want the club to be. It's only "unique" in the sense of being foolish as an objective and many absent fans are simply saying no, not now, not with you in charge - we can't bothered.
They can only fail.
Selhurst was slightly different in that even if supporters supported the idea of ground sharing, the sheer effort required to get there would put some off. If Charlton had ground shared with a mythical "Woolwich United" then the attendances would have been higher
I'm sure L1 football is having an effect. If Riga had somehow managed to scrape us to safety last season, I suspect attendances would be higher, even though we had the same owner with the same "philosophy"
L1 football is probably the single most reason gates are down, so far. Of course the negativity of the boycotters emphasising it's all Roland, Katrien and the regime's fault will have been a deciding factor for some but in reality it would have been the crap football last season, the inability to score and defend and the prospect of worse in L1 and the promise of the certain relegation by some on here that has probably made most fans stay away.
A good run by Russel's team of what is looking like players you can easily associate with as a charlton fan and get behind and support and the more positive attitude that's been shown by the fans in the ground in backing the team and manager will draw more fans back to the valley.
And if you don't think this team will do well just read the comments about Holmes, Ajose etc so far and consider that they've not yet had a lot of game time together to gel properly.
On tuesday night the covered end bars were doing a roaring trade at half time with queues I thought would never clear when I first saw the back of them snaking around but actually did move quickly with pre-poured pints so not much of a sign the boycott giving the regime money has a lot of support there.
It's personal choice whether to boycott or not but if the team does well the boycott will have had hardly any impact and the only losers will be those that stayed away on principle when they'd rather be watching football at the valley.
There's an element of truth in that but 1) why are they substantially down on last time we were in League One (all three seasons) and 2) why did gates fall year on year in the Championship too. The answer is the ownership.
I don't really believe people are going to get mugged off again with false promises - witness the continuous chanting about the regime of many of the people at Walsall, for example. They were presumably there despite it being League One.
As far as the football is concerned, it will take a bit more than four/five games to establish where this team is heading and that alone will determine whether there is a "more positive attitude", but in any event you'll have a long wait for the 4,000-5,000 that are missing. Unfortunately some of them will have been lost for good already.
A few seasons of "bad luck" and "mistakes" in League One under these muppets and crowds will fall even more. This is a crisis that could easily destroy the club as we have known it and some of you are content to applaud. It's extraordinary really.
Doucher you keep going on about RD selling if we get promoted to the Championship
Well I'm prepared to have a charity bet for the Upbeats that if and when we get promoted to the Championship he won't sell within the first season up
So the bet will only settle if the scenario of us getting promoted to the Championship with RD still as owner happens (then see if sold after promotion till the end of first season up) all other instances it will be a no bet
Ok, but only if the same bet applies should we stay diw
Doucher you keep going on about RD selling if we get promoted to the Championship
Well I'm prepared to have a charity bet for the Upbeats that if and when we get promoted to the Championship he won't sell within the first season up
So the bet will only settle if the scenario of us getting promoted to the Championship with RD still as owner happens (then see if sold after promotion till the end of first season up) all other instances it will be a no bet
only if the same bet applies in reverse should we stay down and he doesnt sell in the first season -£20?
I've never stated a belief that the weirdo is gonna sell if we go down ,go up , go nowhere , he's a fruit bat and there is no rationality behind him owning Charlton
I'll put treble your £20 in to Upbeats if the promotion to the Championship arrives and he sells in that first season.... Is that more appealing
The only person/people that are being hurt by the boycott are the boycotters.
Looking around the covered end last saturday afternoon and Tuesday night and it was full of people that are there for the social side of the game, the hope of seeing a good match and if they are lucky a win and if they are really lucky a good season. The signs are they are going to get all of these. Boycotting makes no sense because if the team does well then others will go to the valley (a la premiership years) buy the tickets and sit in those vacant seats.
But the team isn't going to do well, the ownership will see to that. It may do OK but what is on offer is third tier football, which we know from repeated experience does not attract additional supporters in any number and certainly won't replace those lost.
In reality, the people who boycotted Selhurst were vastly outnumbered by others who would have watched top flight football at The Valley but said no, not there, not in these circumstances - we can't be bothered.
That's what Meire and Duchatelet are achieving with their "unique offer" to watch the future stars of other clubs.
No need to argue about that - Meire was very clear that's what they want the club to be. It's only "unique" in the sense of being foolish as an objective and many absent fans are simply saying no, not now, not with you in charge - we can't bothered.
They can only fail.
Selhurst was slightly different in that even if supporters supported the idea of ground sharing, the sheer effort required to get there would put some off. If Charlton had ground shared with a mythical "Woolwich United" then the attendances would have been higher
I'm sure L1 football is having an effect. If Riga had somehow managed to scrape us to safety last season, I suspect attendances would be higher, even though we had the same owner with the same "philosophy"
L1 football is probably the single most reason gates are down, so far. Of course the negativity of the boycotters emphasising it's all Roland, Katrien and the regime's fault will have been a deciding factor for some but in reality it would have been the crap football last season, the inability to score and defend and the prospect of worse in L1 and the promise of the certain relegation by some on here that has probably made most fans stay away.
A good run by Russel's team of what is looking like players you can easily associate with as a charlton fan and get behind and support and the more positive attitude that's been shown by the fans in the ground in backing the team and manager will draw more fans back to the valley.
And if you don't think this team will do well just read the comments about Holmes, Ajose etc so far and consider that they've not yet had a lot of game time together to gel properly.
On tuesday night the covered end bars were doing a roaring trade at half time with queues I thought would never clear when I first saw the back of them snaking around but actually did move quickly with pre-poured pints so not much of a sign the boycott giving the regime money has a lot of support there.
It's personal choice whether to boycott or not but if the team does well the boycott will have had hardly any impact and the only losers will be those that stayed away on principle when they'd rather be watching football at the valley.
Maybe comparing the league one gates this season and the recent seasons before will prove your point or kill it. You may be right, you may be wrong but you never lose doing things out of principle.
What was the drop like from Championship attendances when Parky took us down to League One as opposed to this time
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I've an offer he can't refuse.
I would say in terms of your son Santa - take him. You can't have him supporting Chelsea can you?
So you know people who have been in 'direct contact' with RD? Who might they be? I know, I know, you can't say.
But RD has told them it was KM who prevented potential buyers from meeting him.Is that what you're trying to imply here?
If I was Ducahetelet and I had decided to entrust one of my hobby football clubs to someone, I would ask that person about any key decisions involving the club.
I may well have misplaced my trust, but if we still have a plan of sorts together I wouldn't exclude them until I had decided to drop them. And that doesn't seem to be happening.
I wonder where Doucher thinks all the fans have disappeared to.
Well I'm prepared to have a charity bet for the Upbeats that if and when we get promoted to the Championship he won't sell within the first season up
So the bet will only settle if the scenario of us getting promoted to the Championship with RD still as owner happens (then see if sold after promotion till the end of first season up) all other instances it will be a no bet
Oh, you mean Varney. So RD was willing to discuss a potential sale with him but KM put the the kibosh on it. Right.
A good run by Russel's team of what is looking like players you can easily associate with as a charlton fan and get behind and support and the more positive attitude that's been shown by the fans in the ground in backing the team and manager will draw more fans back to the valley.
And if you don't think this team will do well just read the comments about Holmes, Ajose etc so far and consider that they've not yet had a lot of game time together to gel properly.
On tuesday night the covered end bars were doing a roaring trade at half time with queues I thought would never clear when I first saw the back of them snaking around but actually did move quickly with pre-poured pints so not much of a sign the boycott giving the regime money has a lot of support there.
It's personal choice whether to boycott or not but if the team does well the boycott will have had hardly any impact and the only losers will be those that stayed away on principle when they'd rather be watching football at the valley.
I don't really believe people are going to get mugged off again with false promises - witness the continuous chanting about the regime of many of the people at Walsall, for example. They were presumably there despite it being League One.
As far as the football is concerned, it will take a bit more than four/five games to establish where this team is heading and that alone will determine whether there is a "more positive attitude", but in any event you'll have a long wait for the 4,000-5,000 that are missing. Unfortunately some of them will have been lost for good already.
A few seasons of "bad luck" and "mistakes" in League One under these muppets and crowds will fall even more. This is a crisis that could easily destroy the club as we have known it and some of you are content to applaud. It's extraordinary really.
I'll put treble your £20 in to Upbeats if the promotion to the Championship arrives and he sells in that first season.... Is that more appealing