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Managerial sackings, comings and goings
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So Frank has "lost the dressing room" after publicly criticised his players. And doesn't have a settled side, and is constantly changing his side and formation...MattF said:Interesting snuppet from The Athletic, one of the reasons for Lampard's sacking being given as "the dressing room felt manager showed no empathy and were hurt by his public criticism."0 -
Spend a fortune in the summer. 11 points behind Man U, 9 behind Leicester, even 3 points behind West Ham having played the same number of gamesAlgarveaddick said:Games in hand aside, five points off a Champions League place with half the season left, in the last 16 of this years CL and through to the 5th round of the FA cup. Ridiculous decision.
Played 2 more games than Villa and Everton
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Similarities with the Bowyer situation.
Back against the wall and worked wonders with a depleted squad.
Gets some decent resources and after a sound start, things start going tits.
Abarmovic blinked.2 -
The extent people will go to defend Fat Frank: essentially legalising slaveryaddick1956 said:
Ferguson just threw the cup of tea at them, in private of course...Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Imagine being a grown man, earning 200k a week, playing shit then getting upset because the manager said you'd played shit. Bless their poor little souls, all they needed was a hug and a cup of tea.MattF said:Interesting snuppet from The Athletic, one of the reasons for Lampard's sacking being given as "the dressing room felt manager showed no empathy and were hurt by his public criticism."
The sad truth is players not doing their job get managers sacked. Perhaps the players should be paid on results. No result, no pay.0 -
Lampard done well with young English players last season.
Struggled when big foreign names came in this year.
FA love people like Lampard and Gerrard.
Lampard has 6 months off and occasionally in the Sky Studio then replaced Southgate after the Euros2 -
Werner was a mistake - Leipzig were completely set up around his pace, Chelsea won't be.Lincsaddick said:
agree with this .. signing the two Germans for huge fees was signing a striker (or two) too many .. he also kept switching his defenders around, never finding the best combination .. shades of Bowyer, too many strikers (but still tool few goals) and too few decent defendersiaitch said:Do you think he has too many players and doesn't know what his best side/formation is and where to get the best from players?
He has to decide on this and who his preferred players are but keeps chopping and changing to keep everyone happy. Giroud was out the side a few weeks ago and was complaining in the press, next he's back in the side and now out of it again.
Havertz I think has more of a chance of coming good there.1 -
That sums up football in general, not just Chelsea.North Lower Neil said:
Nice work if you can get it.stackitsteve said:Since taking over Chelsea Abramovich has spent £110m on manager payoffs.That’s before he’s sacked Lampard
Fail, big pay off, probably get a job elsewhere....0 -
The other thing is, Chelsea probably needed to act now to get Tuchel, who is a massive upgrade on Lampard, and was treated even worse by PSG0
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Newcastle??North Lower Neil said:
I could easily see him sticking to MOTD work etc, easy job, decent pay, bright bloke who comes across well etc.stoneroses19 said:Interesting to see if Lampard just leaves it as that and disappears to a relaxing retirement now. The Chelsea job should have been what he worked up to over years and years, now he's already done it, difficult to see what he'd work towards now. Seems pointless just to manage for the sake of it now. Unless he carries on in lower league and returns to Chelsea again in 5 years or so.
But then I've got a feeling that he's young enough to fancy another go at management, and I think he could get another Premier League job, bottom half team.0 -
Cannot believe the merry go round continues with Mick McCarthy as the new manager. Does make me wonder how or why he got the job.killerandflash said:
Chris Powell?Lincsaddick said:
some managers only suit one club, usually where they have played and have a nice comfy history .. Harris I suspect is one of those as is Bowyer ? .. I suspect soMillwallFan said:
Have nothing but respect for Harris as a player and a bloke, but unfortunately, as a manager, that’s about his level.robroy said:Gillingham or Southend next for Harris
His record as a manager since leaving us isn't great and it's notable that he's now head coach at Spurs' academy, somewhere where he can offer a lot without the pressure and tactical decision making of being a 1st team manager
Playing poor football is the reason why Ipswich sacked him.
Spent just two months at Apoel in Cyprus,so assume that job didn't go well.
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It may sum up football, but Chelsea won't be weakened by this.eaststandmike said:
That sums up football in general, not just Chelsea.North Lower Neil said:
Nice work if you can get it.stackitsteve said:Since taking over Chelsea Abramovich has spent £110m on manager payoffs.That’s before he’s sacked Lampard
Fail, big pay off, probably get a job elsewhere....0 -
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Newcastle??North Lower Neil said:
I could easily see him sticking to MOTD work etc, easy job, decent pay, bright bloke who comes across well etc.stoneroses19 said:Interesting to see if Lampard just leaves it as that and disappears to a relaxing retirement now. The Chelsea job should have been what he worked up to over years and years, now he's already done it, difficult to see what he'd work towards now. Seems pointless just to manage for the sake of it now. Unless he carries on in lower league and returns to Chelsea again in 5 years or so.
But then I've got a feeling that he's young enough to fancy another go at management, and I think he could get another Premier League job, bottom half team.
Can't see it.
Was thinking more a Fulham/Brighton type job, not necessarily them but that sort of level (and not owned by Mike Ashley!).0 -
Palace, when the owners decide they want someone "a big name" to replace Hodgson...North Lower Neil said:CheshireAddick said:
Newcastle??North Lower Neil said:
I could easily see him sticking to MOTD work etc, easy job, decent pay, bright bloke who comes across well etc.stoneroses19 said:Interesting to see if Lampard just leaves it as that and disappears to a relaxing retirement now. The Chelsea job should have been what he worked up to over years and years, now he's already done it, difficult to see what he'd work towards now. Seems pointless just to manage for the sake of it now. Unless he carries on in lower league and returns to Chelsea again in 5 years or so.
But then I've got a feeling that he's young enough to fancy another go at management, and I think he could get another Premier League job, bottom half team.
Can't see it.
Was thinking more a Fulham/Brighton type job, not necessarily them but that sort of level (and not owned by Mike Ashley!).0 -
Possibly, yeah.
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Hopefully Celtic so that we can finally see who is better out of lampard and Gerard10
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I can't see Frank Jnr getting another prem job any tine soon .. his Derby job was a bit of a publicity stunt/punt as was the Chelsea job to a certain extent .. Abramovich was having visa/residence problems in the UK and perhaps appointing an English manager who was also a Chelsea 'legend' was a great idea at the time to curry favour and also to develop English young talent in the time of the transfer ban. The managerial side didn't work out well.North Lower Neil said:CheshireAddick said:
Newcastle??North Lower Neil said:
I could easily see him sticking to MOTD work etc, easy job, decent pay, bright bloke who comes across well etc.stoneroses19 said:Interesting to see if Lampard just leaves it as that and disappears to a relaxing retirement now. The Chelsea job should have been what he worked up to over years and years, now he's already done it, difficult to see what he'd work towards now. Seems pointless just to manage for the sake of it now. Unless he carries on in lower league and returns to Chelsea again in 5 years or so.
But then I've got a feeling that he's young enough to fancy another go at management, and I think he could get another Premier League job, bottom half team.
Can't see it.
Was thinking more a Fulham/Brighton type job, not necessarily them but that sort of level (and not owned by Mike Ashley!).
I am/was a BIG fan of Frank as a player and as a man, BUT great players do not usually make great managers. I can see him on Sky/BT/Amazon/BBC as a pundit for quite a while or less likely as a manager/coach in the USA or somewhere nice and warm0 -
I'm not so sure, think it may be seen as did a good job at Derby, got the Chelsea job, did OK until the last month or so....
People kept employing Mark Hughes, Pardew etc, Lampard will get a Premier League job if he wants one.0 -
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Three points behind West Ham, good god, however can they make that up over 19 games. Silly old me...killerandflash said:
Spend a fortune in the summer. 11 points behind Man U, 9 behind Leicester, even 3 points behind West Ham having played the same number of gamesAlgarveaddick said:Games in hand aside, five points off a Champions League place with half the season left, in the last 16 of this years CL and through to the 5th round of the FA cup. Ridiculous decision.
Played 2 more games than Villa and Everton
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They don’t get a great rep, but it’s been pretty nice to see Chelsea fans being so overwhelmingly opposed to the Lampard sacking2
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AFKABartram said:They don’t get a great rep, but it’s been pretty nice to see Chelsea fans being so overwhelmingly opposed to the Lampard sacking
They are?
Maybe they should have made their voices heard before, not after, he was sacked.
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Why? That would not have made any difference, when did owners start listening to fans?NapaAddick said:AFKABartram said:They don’t get a great rep, but it’s been pretty nice to see Chelsea fans being so overwhelmingly opposed to the Lampard sacking
They are? Maybe they should have made their voices heard before, not after, he was sacked.3 -
Not at the moment because there’s no fans in the grounds but when Parky got the sack after the 4-2 home defeat to Swindon in January 2011 the chanting at the Valley that night for him to go was overwhelming. We had not won since the end of November and his days were probably numbered but that defeat and crowd reaction sealed his fate.eaststandmike said:
Why? That would not have made any difference, when did owners start listening to fans?NapaAddick said:AFKABartram said:They don’t get a great rep, but it’s been pretty nice to see Chelsea fans being so overwhelmingly opposed to the Lampard sacking
They are? Maybe they should have made their voices heard before, not after, he was sacked.
As for keeping a manager in situ that is a much tougher task for the fans to achieve I grant you.1 -
Try telling that to the people who tweet Sandgaard every week telling him what to do.eaststandmike said:
Why? That would not have made any difference, when did owners start listening to fans?NapaAddick said:AFKABartram said:They don’t get a great rep, but it’s been pretty nice to see Chelsea fans being so overwhelmingly opposed to the Lampard sacking
They are? Maybe they should have made their voices heard before, not after, he was sacked.3 -
Sad individuals.stoneroses19 said:
Try telling that to the people who tweet Sandgaard every week telling him what to do.eaststandmike said:
Why? That would not have made any difference, when did owners start listening to fans?NapaAddick said:AFKABartram said:They don’t get a great rep, but it’s been pretty nice to see Chelsea fans being so overwhelmingly opposed to the Lampard sacking
They are? Maybe they should have made their voices heard before, not after, he was sacked.3 -
*deletes tweet*eaststandmike said:
Sad individuals.stoneroses19 said:
Try telling that to the people who tweet Sandgaard every week telling him what to do.eaststandmike said:
Why? That would not have made any difference, when did owners start listening to fans?NapaAddick said:AFKABartram said:They don’t get a great rep, but it’s been pretty nice to see Chelsea fans being so overwhelmingly opposed to the Lampard sacking
They are? Maybe they should have made their voices heard before, not after, he was sacked.5 -
stoneroses19 said:
And we thought Meire was bad at making contracts!stackitsteve said:Since taking over Chelsea Abramovich has spent £110m on manager payoffs.That’s before he’s sacked Lampard
That's such a grotesque figure and waste of money.
You'd think Chelsea would have learnt to stop giving such big long-term contracts to manager when it's obvious they'll last 1-2 years, not 3+.
I think the managers are given time, hence the long contracts when they become Chelsea manager.AllHailTheHen said:
My comment is more how they sack managers in general. Nobody is ever given time to build anything there. It's win a trophy or be sacked. Also interesting to know how many of those summer signings were made at Lampard's request.North Lower Neil said:
They finished 4th last year then spent £220m in the summer. I don't think it's unreasonable to view 9th (10th if Southampton draw or win their game in hand) as not good enough.AllHailTheHen said:Chelsea are a joke of a club. Such delusions of grandeur about them
I think they back all of their managers, with that contract, & with signings, as they all want success from the top down.
I see it that they are simply not scared when it comes to pulling the trigger, if they don't see their "project" going their way with results.
It is a shame that managers (at all clubs these days really), don't get the time to truly build something, especially if they were the ones who started the building process.
Obviously that is the age we are in now. Fast fixes, the desire for immediate reward.
Maybe Curbs tenure would've been a lot different, had he been appointed in this era.1 -
Chelsea have confirmed Tuchel as their new Manager0
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Club chairman:
"Sorry, Glyn. It's not working out".
"Rather than sacking you, are you prepared to leave by mutual consent?"
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