I know he is probably not going to be in the job by the time we play them, but are people completely disregarding the fact we play Northampton away on Good Friday and he was there to watch them for us to prepare, just in case he is still here?
He has to, he'll be managing us and not Oxford on the 30/3.
I'm still not sure about this 'our squad is better than your squad' thing. Are we sure it's not just a mixture of us knowing our own players more than we know those of other teams, and of us believing that as we're a bigger club, we must have better players? Hadn't seen that much League One football before 2016, but most other team's players looked of a similar level to ours imho, and in some cases better, particularly their strikers. I know playing one up front hasn't helped though. Solly has been a weak link in that he's lost the speed required to put in tackles, so he backs off, and backs off until his winger has crossed or taken a shot. Hate to say it, but he's living off past glories. Fleetwood's number two looked excellent in contrast, last Saturday.
Wages are a proxy for quality of players - an imperfect one, but not useless. Charlton will be paying about three times as much as half to two thirds of the teams in this division.
Partly legacy of RD and KM getting in the wrong players at the wrong price isn’t it?
The evidence is staring us in the face at each match. I’ve only seen an hour or two of football all season where we’ve looked significantly better than the opposition.
I agree that Karl and the coaching staff could have got more out of them maybe.
I'm still not sure about this 'our squad is better than your squad' thing. Are we sure it's not just a mixture of us knowing our own players more than we know those of other teams, and of us believing that as we're a bigger club, we must have better players? Hadn't seen that much League One football before 2016, but most other team's players looked of a similar level to ours imho, and in some cases better, particularly their strikers. I know playing one up front hasn't helped though. Solly has been a weak link in that he's lost the speed required to put in tackles, so he backs off, and backs off until his winger has crossed or taken a shot. Hate to say it, but he's living off past glories. Fleetwood's number two looked excellent in contrast, last Saturday.
Wages are a proxy for quality of players - an imperfect one, but not useless. Charlton will be paying about three times as much as half to two thirds of the teams in this division.
Partly legacy of RD and KM getting in the wrong players at the wrong price isn’t it?
The evidence is staring us in the face at each match. I’ve only seen an hour or two of football all season where we’ve looked significantly better than the opposition.
I agree that Karl and the coaching staff could have got more out of them maybe.
Robinson should have had John Gorman as his sidekick.
Stop making excuses for him , he would have been set a budget and it’s up to him to how he would spend it , to leave us so bereft of strikers is criminal no matter how it planned out . He fashioned the squad . There is no way anyone would be making more of a hash of it than KR is atm
I think the Oxford away game was telling - we played some terrific football, scored a goal then let them back in it! In the end we could have lost it. I got a sense they were really impressed with us listening to fans as we walked back to the car. But despite that, we nearly lost it. When a team is on top you have to try to make changes, and sometimes they work - except when you make changes against us and I think they always work.
A home example that was equally telling was the Bradford game. I thought for the first 25 minutes we were so superior to them it was embaressing. They looked at least 2 divisions below us. Then they changed tack and almost beat us! These are two examples that sum up many more games. This is not the sort of thing that is normal,except this season it is normal for us! For me a big factor is that we are a team of missers as I call it. Nobody scores a reasonable amount of goals for their position, and mostly not even a million miles away from reasonable. Holmes was the only player who could claim to and we sold him at a time when a play off place looked a decent bet!
The match I always bang on about, and the match that to me sums up our season, was this 4-3 win up at Oldham. Apart from the result of course. That doesn't sum up our season.
For thirty minutes were were sublime. Magennis was missing and JJ was left back. KAG was up front, Clarke was pulling the strings. The group I was sitting with/near were all saying it was the best we'd played for years, and we were running rings around them. Then Oldham switched it up and brought Fane on (when they were 2-0 down) and he went round kicking any of our players who got too near him, and had he not got sent off the tactic would have worked. We just about clung on to the 4-3 win and we looked disjointed and lightweight. The game highlighted Karl's lack of a plan B and the vulnerability we clearly display when the opposition resorts to the rough stuff. Also our lack of an alternative striker, as KAG was fairly anonymous. I've always wondered if other league one managers would have noted this match and used the info to work out their tactics when playing us. Although we played well in a few other games, we never again looked like we did in that first 30 mins.
It summed up Karl Robinson as a manger he was a disgrace to our club that afternoon his attitude and behavior towards the oldham fans was disgusting
The blokes a scummy maggot
What did KR do?
Telling them to F@@k off sticking two fingers up whilst he was on the pitch walking towards the Charlton fans
He is the Mgr of our club but showed his chubby chavvy tendencies in a big way
This is from Ketts. He reckons that Robinson will not be in charge on Saturday.
All has not been right with Karl Robinson for some time. The last couple of games have seen the Addicks produce two abysmal performances, but the normally animated manager was fairly quiet on the sidelines. Nicky Ajose was onside when he put the ball in the net on Saturday, but he was flagged offside by the assistant. Robinson barely mentioned it at his post-match press conference, when he would normally be apoplectic by such a decision.
He has now had his resignation rejected twice by Roland Duchatelet. Robinson is the longest serving Charlton manager in the Duchatelet era, but he was unlikely to be in the hot seat next season. It has been reported that the groups trying to buy the club want to install their own manager. If Duchatelet does still hold the reins, it seems likely he will make a change too. Robinson said pre-season that he expected his side to be promoted at the end of the season, so anything will be seen as failure. So why has the owner knocked back his manager's resignation? Almost certainly money. Duchatelet has probably rejected the terms of Robinson's resignation. Robinson was promised funds would be made available if his team was in with a chance of promotion in January. Presumably because he was trying to sell the club, Duchatelet did not give his manager any funds. Robinson may feel that because he has kept that Addicks in contention without an injection of cash in January, he is entitled to a pay-off. Duchatelet will also probably be looking for compensation from Oxford, as Robinson's contract has a year to run. So what of Charlton, who will take charge for the last ten games of the season? Johnnie Jackson in a caretaker role, possibly assisted by Jason Euell may be the route the club takes. The situation has a way to run yet, but what is certain, is that Robinson will not be in charge on Saturday.
I really feel that if he was a bit more fortunate with injuries and we had a goalscorer we would be talking differently. It's all such a shame. I really like Karl. He's had a very tough job, think our angry and frustrated we all feel with Roland and this protracted takeover. Now consider that's your day job. Pretty tough. We've played some lovely stuff at times and he very nearly turned the club around despite Roland. Perhaps it's over for robbo. Perhaps not. I personally hope he gets to manage Charlton under an interested owner who backs him. If so I think the results could be really good.
I've always said He's been unlucky almost from day one. And he was clearly lied to by RD, and indirectly, through KM. Yes he said supportive things about them, but they probably spun him a good line. I never really got the 'should have known better' line. What he should have known was the golden rule, don't say anything that might loss off the fans. He lost a lot of support from the day he made those statements.
He said we were a "basket case of a club" before he took over.
He knew the score, no sympathy.
Didn't he also say that he did his own due dilligence, adding that it was "Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy". Before careering around the playground chanting, "I can do it, you can't, 'cos I'm Alan Turing {...} I can do it, you can't, 'cos I'm Alan Turing {...} I can do it, you can't, 'cos I'm Alan Turing {...}"
This is from Ketts. He reckons that Robinson will not be in charge on Saturday.
All has not been right with Karl Robinson for some time. The last couple of games have seen the Addicks produce two abysmal performances, but the normally animated manager was fairly quiet on the sidelines. Nicky Ajose was onside when he put the ball in the net on Saturday, but he was flagged offside by the assistant. Robinson barely mentioned it at his post-match press conference, when he would normally be apoplectic by such a decision.
He has now had his resignation rejected twice by Roland Duchatelet. Robinson is the longest serving Charlton manager in the Duchatelet era, but he was unlikely to be in the hot seat next season. It has been reported that the groups trying to buy the club want to install their own manager. If Duchatelet does still hold the reins, it seems likely he will make a change too. Robinson said pre-season that he expected his side to be promoted at the end of the season, so anything will be seen as failure. So why has the owner knocked back his manager's resignation? Almost certainly money. Duchatelet has probably rejected the terms of Robinson's resignation. Robinson was promised funds would be made available if his team was in with a chance of promotion in January. Presumably because he was trying to sell the club, Duchatelet did not give his manager any funds. Robinson may feel that because he has kept that Addicks in contention without an injection of cash in January, he is entitled to a pay-off. Duchatelet will also probably be looking for compensation from Oxford, as Robinson's contract has a year to run. So what of Charlton, who will take charge for the last ten games of the season? Johnnie Jackson in a caretaker role, possibly assisted by Jason Euell may be the route the club takes. The situation has a way to run yet, but what is certain, is that Robinson will not be in charge on Saturday.
I have to say I'm somewhat confused as to what people want from Robinson. They wanted him to go. He's tried to go. Maybe he wants a payout from Roland but as far as I'm concerned take everything you can get from the man.
What I don't understand is how we will be better with a manager who is also on the bench on Saturday and a coaching staff that has three coaches (assuming Euell moves up) with roughly five years of experience out together, and a manager with about a year of experience in what I imagine is at least part time coaching given he is also a player.
Results and performances haven't been good enough, that's a given. But I don't see how they get better from here. Jackson knows the club and all that but that doesn't make up for coaching experience. And remember, he's been a part of the coaching staff this year, and I'm a big believer that coaching staffs as a whole succeed and fail together.
I don't think anyone can really blame KR for not walking away without a payout. Most would do the same.
Seems quite clear from the latest Dr Kish that KR won't be in charge this weekend. I'd happily have JJ in charge till the end of the season. He always gives us a lift when needed
I'm still not sure about this 'our squad is better than your squad' thing. Are we sure it's not just a mixture of us knowing our own players more than we know those of other teams, and of us believing that as we're a bigger club, we must have better players? Hadn't seen that much League One football before 2016, but most other team's players looked of a similar level to ours imho, and in some cases better, particularly their strikers. I know playing one up front hasn't helped though. Solly has been a weak link in that he's lost the speed required to put in tackles, so he backs off, and backs off until his winger has crossed or taken a shot. Hate to say it, but he's living off past glories. Fleetwood's number two looked excellent in contrast, last Saturday.
Wages are a proxy for quality of players - an imperfect one, but not useless. Charlton will be paying about three times as much as half to two thirds of the teams in this division.
Partly legacy of RD and KM getting in the wrong players at the wrong price isn’t it?
The evidence is staring us in the face at each match. I’ve only seen an hour or two of football all season where we’ve looked significantly better than the opposition.
I agree that Karl and the coaching staff could have got more out of them maybe.
Fair point that. I do think though that outside of Blackburn and Wigan we've got the best squad in the league. Whatever your opinion is on our squad, there's no way they shouldn't be in the top six.
His position is untenable. If he walks out with the players at 2.55pm on saturday the atmosphere will be toxic. Problem is RD doesn't care so it will be down to RM to pull the trigger.
His position is untenable. If he walks out with the players at 2.55pm on saturday the atmosphere will be toxic. Problem is RD doesn't care so it will be down to RM to pull the trigger.
Karl will try and put his own spin on it. 'I'm taking one for the team to expose the lies of Roland'. He'll do an emotional press conference where he'll break down saying he tried so hard to save the club and make Roland see sense - in the style of the killer of a missing person doing a plea for their safe return.
Would like to see JJ + Euell as joint managers until the end of the season, Curbs+Gritt -esque.
Just NO.
I don't want any club legends taking charge in any capacity, unless it's under new ownership.
Which it soon will be.
I'd have no problem with Jacko and Euell. We only to seem to thrive under Charlton people. I'd like a bit of experience alongside them though. Peacock probably doesn't want the hassle these days but Robinson has clearly lacked a bit of tactical input in his time here and it has ultimately cost him his job.
This is from Ketts. He reckons that Robinson will not be in charge on Saturday.
All has not been right with Karl Robinson for some time. The last couple of games have seen the Addicks produce two abysmal performances, but the normally animated manager was fairly quiet on the sidelines. Nicky Ajose was onside when he put the ball in the net on Saturday, but he was flagged offside by the assistant. Robinson barely mentioned it at his post-match press conference, when he would normally be apoplectic by such a decision.
He has now had his resignation rejected twice by Roland Duchatelet. Robinson is the longest serving Charlton manager in the Duchatelet era, but he was unlikely to be in the hot seat next season. It has been reported that the groups trying to buy the club want to install their own manager. If Duchatelet does still hold the reins, it seems likely he will make a change too. Robinson said pre-season that he expected his side to be promoted at the end of the season, so anything will be seen as failure. So why has the owner knocked back his manager's resignation? Almost certainly money. Duchatelet has probably rejected the terms of Robinson's resignation. Robinson was promised funds would be made available if his team was in with a chance of promotion in January. Presumably because he was trying to sell the club, Duchatelet did not give his manager any funds. Robinson may feel that because he has kept that Addicks in contention without an injection of cash in January, he is entitled to a pay-off. Duchatelet will also probably be looking for compensation from Oxford, as Robinson's contract has a year to run. So what of Charlton, who will take charge for the last ten games of the season? Johnnie Jackson in a caretaker role, possibly assisted by Jason Euell may be the route the club takes. The situation has a way to run yet, but what is certain, is that Robinson will not be in charge on Saturday.
I have to say I'm somewhat confused as to what people want from Robinson. They wanted him to go. He's tried to go. Maybe he wants a payout from Roland but as far as I'm concerned take everything you can get from the man.
What I don't understand is how we will be better with a manager who is also on the bench on Saturday and a coaching staff that has three coaches (assuming Euell moves up) with roughly five years of experience out together, and a manager with about a year of experience in what I imagine is at least part time coaching given he is also a player.
Results and performances haven't been good enough, that's a given. But I don't see how they get better from here. Jackson knows the club and all that but that doesn't make up for coaching experience. And remember, he's been a part of the coaching staff this year, and I'm a big believer that coaching staffs as a whole succeed and fail together.
Unless we fully know what goes on in the dressing room and at Sparrows Lane, then we can only go on performances and results. Both have been truly woeful lately.
At the moment, the whole playing side has completely stagnated. Perhaps the players no longer believe in Robinson, his tactics or his philosophies.
How much input on the tactical side does JJ have? Will the younger players perform better under someone they have complete faith in like JE?
All unknown quantities and a risk, but a small risk with our season heading only one way under Karl Robinson.
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The evidence is staring us in the face at each match. I’ve only seen an hour or two of football all season where we’ve looked significantly better than the opposition.
I agree that Karl and the coaching staff could have got more out of them maybe.
He fashioned the squad .
There is no way anyone would be making more of a hash of it than KR is atm
He is the Mgr of our club but showed his chubby chavvy tendencies in a big way
All has not been right with Karl Robinson for some time. The last couple of games have seen the Addicks produce two abysmal performances, but the normally animated manager was fairly quiet on the sidelines.
Nicky Ajose was onside when he put the ball in the net on Saturday, but he was flagged offside by the assistant. Robinson barely mentioned it at his post-match press conference, when he would normally be apoplectic by such a decision.
He has now had his resignation rejected twice by Roland Duchatelet. Robinson is the longest serving Charlton manager in the Duchatelet era, but he was unlikely to be in the hot seat next season.
It has been reported that the groups trying to buy the club want to install their own manager. If Duchatelet does still hold the reins, it seems likely he will make a change too. Robinson said pre-season that he expected his side to be promoted at the end of the season, so anything will be seen as failure.
So why has the owner knocked back his manager's resignation?
Almost certainly money. Duchatelet has probably rejected the terms of Robinson's resignation.
Robinson was promised funds would be made available if his team was in with a chance of promotion in January. Presumably because he was trying to sell the club, Duchatelet did not give his manager any funds.
Robinson may feel that because he has kept that Addicks in contention without an injection of cash in January, he is entitled to a pay-off.
Duchatelet will also probably be looking for compensation from Oxford, as Robinson's contract has a year to run.
So what of Charlton, who will take charge for the last ten games of the season? Johnnie Jackson in a caretaker role, possibly assisted by Jason Euell may be the route the club takes.
The situation has a way to run yet, but what is certain, is that Robinson will not be in charge on Saturday.
Mark Marshall didn't know about KR offering to resign.
He also refused to blame the takeover for the team's poor performances, saying it would be an excuse.
On the resignation issue - another point may be that Duchatelet doesn't want Robinson shooting his mouth off at this time.
No sympathy either.
What I don't understand is how we will be better with a manager who is also on the bench on Saturday and a coaching staff that has three coaches (assuming Euell moves up) with roughly five years of experience out together, and a manager with about a year of experience in what I imagine is at least part time coaching given he is also a player.
Results and performances haven't been good enough, that's a given. But I don't see how they get better from here. Jackson knows the club and all that but that doesn't make up for coaching experience. And remember, he's been a part of the coaching staff this year, and I'm a big believer that coaching staffs as a whole succeed and fail together.
Seems quite clear from the latest Dr Kish that KR won't be in charge this weekend. I'd happily have JJ in charge till the end of the season. He always gives us a lift when needed
Jacko could be an inspired choice?
I don't want any club legends taking charge in any capacity, unless it's under new ownership.
I'd have no problem with Jacko and Euell. We only to seem to thrive under Charlton people. I'd like a bit of experience alongside them though. Peacock probably doesn't want the hassle these days but Robinson has clearly lacked a bit of tactical input in his time here and it has ultimately cost him his job.
At the moment, the whole playing side has completely stagnated. Perhaps the players no longer believe in Robinson, his tactics or his philosophies.
How much input on the tactical side does JJ have? Will the younger players perform better under someone they have complete faith in like JE?
All unknown quantities and a risk, but a small risk with our season heading only one way under Karl Robinson.