I still think KR is the worst manager under RD's reign - had a half decent squad by L1 standards yet got us playing some truly awful football. Fraeye's failure was at a higher level.
No way is Robinson as bad as Fraeye, nor Slade in my opinion. We are certainly better off without him and we got massively find out, but he made some good signings which he deserves credit for.
The football under KR was almost completely unwatchable - given the squad we had and the fact we were in L1 there is no excuse for this. If the best you can think of to defend him is that he made a couple of okay signing then it says it all really.
The man is an utter chancer who spouts garbage.
I don’t agree with that. I thought he did a reasonable job when he first came in. I also thought we played some really good football at the start of last season. The issue was that we went to pot when we got found out and I agree it was then awful to watch.
You mention the squad we had. Amos, JFC, Dasilva, Page, Fosu and Clarke were all KR signings. This is an important part of a managers job and he no doubt made some poor signings but all in all think he did well in that aspect.
I think he is given a slightly harsh deal by some. Not the most likeable person in the world but can’t see no reason as to why we need to continually dig him out and want to fail. Unlike wankers like Fraeye I got the impression he actually cared.
He improved things for a time. We had some good performances under him early on.
He made a couple of decent signings.
He lost the plot.
End of.
All the ‘I always said he was rubbish’ posts are bull. Try reading the match reports. I can pretty well guarantee you weren’t saying it ‘right from the start’, or even near it.
Hang your heads in abject shame you revisionist charlatans ;-)
He improved things for a time. We had some good performances under him early on.
He made a couple of decent signings.
He lost the plot.
End of.
All the ‘I always said he was rubbish’ posts are bull. Try reading the match reports. I can pretty well guarantee you weren’t saying it ‘right from the start’, or even near it.
Hang your heads in abject shame you revisionist charlatans ;-)
If you are saying revisionist...
We did not have some good performances under him early on.
He joined in November with the task of giving us promotion. We were just outside the play-offs.
Performances, and more importantly, results, were poor from the off and we were flirting with relegation before some late wins v mostly poor sides.
When then started the next season well although we were not really pushing for automatic promotion.
Injuries to Fosu and, critically, Clarke plus Robinson's refusal to change tactics led to a swift decline which culminated in his unprofessional attempts to get himself sacked rather than resign.
The immediate upturn in results when he left was plain to see.
He improved things for a time. We had some good performances under him early on.
He made a couple of decent signings.
He lost the plot.
End of.
All the ‘I always said he was rubbish’ posts are bull. Try reading the match reports. I can pretty well guarantee you weren’t saying it ‘right from the start’, or even near it.
Hang your heads in abject shame you revisionist charlatans ;-)
If you are saying revisionist...
We did not have some good performances under him early on.
He joined in November with the task of giving us promotion. We were just outside the play-offs.
Performances, and more importantly, results, were poor from the off and we were flirting with relegation before some late wins v mostly poor sides.
When then started the next season well although we were not really pushing for automatic promotion.
Injuries to Fosu and, critically, Clarke plus Robinson's refusal to change tactics led to a swift decline which culminated in his unprofessional attempts to get himself sacked rather than resign.
The immediate upturn in results when he left was plain to see.
It was more a question of my not having featured in the Argument Thread for ages ;-)
But I just think people should remember the timeline. By the time of your Bromley meeting the mood was very upbeat. And it was a very well attended meeting.
And check out the positive match review threads before it went tits up. It’s just dumb to say things were always terrible when they weren’t. It dilutes the genuinely deserved criticisms, some of which you highlighted in your post above.
He improved things for a time. We had some good performances under him early on.
He made a couple of decent signings.
He lost the plot.
End of.
All the ‘I always said he was rubbish’ posts are bull. Try reading the match reports. I can pretty well guarantee you weren’t saying it ‘right from the start’, or even near it.
Hang your heads in abject shame you revisionist charlatans ;-)
If you are saying revisionist...
We did not have some good performances under him early on.
He joined in November with the task of giving us promotion. We were just outside the play-offs.
Performances, and more importantly, results, were poor from the off and we were flirting with relegation before some late wins v mostly poor sides.
When then started the next season well although we were not really pushing for automatic promotion.
Injuries to Fosu and, critically, Clarke plus Robinson's refusal to change tactics led to a swift decline which culminated in his unprofessional attempts to get himself sacked rather than resign.
The immediate upturn in results when he left was plain to see.
It was more a question of my not having featured in the Argument Thread for ages ;-)
But I just think people should remember the timeline. By the time of your Bromley meeting the mood was very upbeat. And it was a very well attended meeting.
And check out the positive match review threads before it went tits up. It’s just dumb to say things were always terrible when they weren’t. It dilutes the genuinely deserved criticisms, some of which you highlighted in your post above.
But it is you being revisionist
Managers have always had similar sized turn outs at Bromley Addicks and we'll get similar on 6 September.
Robinson did not start well
I didn't say it was always terrible but there was only a short period (12 games approximately) when it was even good and in that spell we lost to Gillingham.
It wasn't how he started it was how he ended. For his last 5 or 6 games he wasn't interested and was actively looking elsewhere for work rather than thinking about the good of the team and the fans. Completely unprofessional and should be a huge red flag for any team thinking of taking him on.
As I said when he left I wish him nothing but failure for that reason alone he disrespected the players and the fans for 6 weeks irrespective of how much of a dick the owner is.
He improved things for a time. We had some good performances under him early on.
He made a couple of decent signings.
He lost the plot.
End of.
All the ‘I always said he was rubbish’ posts are bull. Try reading the match reports. I can pretty well guarantee you weren’t saying it ‘right from the start’, or even near it.
Hang your heads in abject shame you revisionist charlatans ;-)
If you are saying revisionist...
We did not have some good performances under him early on.
He joined in November with the task of giving us promotion. We were just outside the play-offs.
Performances, and more importantly, results, were poor from the off and we were flirting with relegation before some late wins v mostly poor sides.
When then started the next season well although we were not really pushing for automatic promotion.
Injuries to Fosu and, critically, Clarke plus Robinson's refusal to change tactics led to a swift decline which culminated in his unprofessional attempts to get himself sacked rather than resign.
The immediate upturn in results when he left was plain to see.
It was more a question of my not having featured in the Argument Thread for ages ;-)
But I just think people should remember the timeline. By the time of your Bromley meeting the mood was very upbeat. And it was a very well attended meeting.
And check out the positive match review threads before it went tits up. It’s just dumb to say things were always terrible when they weren’t. It dilutes the genuinely deserved criticisms, some of which you highlighted in your post above.
But it is you being revisionist
Managers have always had similar sized turn outs at Bromley Addicks and we'll get similar on 6 September.
Robinson did not start well
I didn't say it was always terrible but there was only a short period (12 games approximately) when it was even good and in that spell we lost to Gillingham.
I know you didn’t, I wasn’t arguing with you, but with those who claim it always was.
What I meant by the size of the Bromley turn out was that there was only one vaguely critical question, and it wasn’t like there was just a small crowd of acolytes there.
His ‘12 game period’ wasn’t nearly long enough to get us where we needed to be. Yes he was unlucky that Fosu was injured, and the squad didn’t have the depth to cope, but he allowed the mood to become negative and as the performances dropped away he didn’t have a clue how to fix that, whatever you say in his defence ;-)
Turned out he wasn't a very good manager, but he cared for the club and i never personally got people on here calling him cnut this and fat scouse gobshite while he boss here.
Turned out he wasn't a very good manager, but he cared for the club and i never personally got people on here calling him cnut this and fat scouse gobshite while he boss here.
He cared for the job the club meant just a decent wage.
Turned out he wasn't a very good manager, but he cared for the club and i never personally got people on here calling him cnut this and fat scouse gobshite while he boss here.
That’s where I stand on him. Think the personal abuse is over the top but we are definitely better off without him.
Turned out he wasn't a very good manager, but he cared for the club and i never personally got people on here calling him cnut this and fat scouse gobshite while he boss here.
Wasn't he the sign that RD had started listening to fans. Oh no, that was Russell GrantBrand Slade. The fact that he signed a second Ingerlish manager on the trot was definite sign that things were set to improve.
Thought Robinson was an OK League One manager. Limited, but, on balance OK and he had achieved promotion from that level previously.
For me, since the January 2014 change of ownership our best managers have been Bowyer and Jackson (not too many games yet to assess them on but based solely on the late burst that got us to the play-offs) followed by Riga and Luzon (notwithstanding both of them having periods where they couldn't get results)...our most average Peeters and Slade....and our worst by some distance Fraeye. I'd put Robinson in that list slightly above Peeters/Slade.
He talked a good game and will eventually end up as a pundit on talk sport ... as a manager he is poor and tactically inept ( that’s being polite) -
Certainly talks a good game, and certainly talksport is an option, the only problem is I’m not sure they’d have enough airtime for him too get his thoughts across.
Poor old Karl. Absolutely vilified for being a tad over enthusiastic, wanting to do well with us while putting everything he had into the job. Granted, it didn’t work out but fuck me give the bloke a break.
Poor old Karl. Absolutely vilified for being a tad over enthusiastic, wanting to do well with us while putting everything he had into the job. Granted, it didn’t work out but fuck me give the bloke a break.
Talks a good game and quite charismatic in some ways but once his favoured formation fails he is like a fish floundering out of water.
A media career may beckon but the only way he can hope to stay in football is to develop flexibility and adaptability to changing game situations. He palpably lacked that ability at Charlton and that was what did for him.
It wasn't how he started it was how he ended. For his last 5 or 6 games he wasn't interested and was actively looking elsewhere for work rather than thinking about the good of the team and the fans. Completely unprofessional and should be a huge red flag for any team thinking of taking him on.
As I said when he left I wish him nothing but failure for that reason alone he disrespected the players and the fans for 6 weeks irrespective of how much of a dick the owner is.
This is spot on. And as the boos rang out after the 0-0 draw with Fleetwood he just walked off laughing. He would never have managed to get us into the top 6 last season.
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You mention the squad we had. Amos, JFC, Dasilva, Page, Fosu and Clarke were all KR signings. This is an important part of a managers job and he no doubt made some poor signings but all in all think he did well in that aspect.
I think he is given a slightly harsh deal by some. Not the most likeable person in the world but can’t see no reason as to why we need to continually dig him out and want to fail. Unlike wankers like Fraeye I got the impression he actually cared.
He improved things for a time. We had some good performances under him early on.
He made a couple of decent signings.
He lost the plot.
End of.
All the ‘I always said he was rubbish’ posts are bull. Try reading the match reports. I can pretty well guarantee you weren’t saying it ‘right from the start’, or even near it.
Hang your heads in abject shame you revisionist charlatans ;-)
We did not have some good performances under him early on.
He joined in November with the task of giving us promotion. We were just outside the play-offs.
Performances, and more importantly, results, were poor from the off and we were flirting with relegation before some late wins v mostly poor sides.
When then started the next season well although we were not really pushing for automatic promotion.
Injuries to Fosu and, critically, Clarke plus Robinson's refusal to change tactics led to a swift decline which culminated in his unprofessional attempts to get himself sacked rather than resign.
The immediate upturn in results when he left was plain to see.
But I just think people should remember the timeline. By the time of your Bromley meeting the mood was very upbeat. And it was a very well attended meeting.
And check out the positive match review threads before it went tits up. It’s just dumb to say things were always terrible when they weren’t. It dilutes the genuinely deserved criticisms, some of which you highlighted in your post above.
Managers have always had similar sized turn outs at Bromley Addicks and we'll get similar on 6 September.
Robinson did not start well
I didn't say it was always terrible but there was only a short period (12 games approximately) when it was even good and in that spell we lost to Gillingham.
As I said when he left I wish him nothing but failure for that reason alone he disrespected the players and the fans for 6 weeks irrespective of how much of a dick the owner is.
What I meant by the size of the Bromley turn out was that there was only one vaguely critical question, and it wasn’t like there was just a small crowd of acolytes there.
His ‘12 game period’ wasn’t nearly long enough to get us where we needed to be. Yes he was unlucky that Fosu was injured, and the squad didn’t have the depth to cope, but he allowed the mood to become negative and as the performances dropped away he didn’t have a clue how to fix that, whatever you say in his defence ;-)
And he's said, he feels they work well together.
Sums him up perfectly
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GrantBrandSlade. The fact that he signed a second Ingerlish manager on the trot was definite sign that things were set to improve.For me, since the January 2014 change of ownership our best managers have been Bowyer and Jackson (not too many games yet to assess them on but based solely on the late burst that got us to the play-offs) followed by Riga and Luzon (notwithstanding both of them having periods where they couldn't get results)...our most average Peeters and Slade....and our worst by some distance Fraeye. I'd put Robinson in that list slightly above Peeters/Slade.
You reap what you sow - he will do well at oxford next year in Div 2
A media career may beckon but the only way he can hope to stay in football is to develop flexibility and adaptability to changing game situations. He palpably lacked that ability at Charlton and that was what did for him.