In all honesty I hope they resolve all their issues concerning this very dubious property grab. As much as I wish them ill on the pitch we as football supporters should stand by them on this one.
Aren't they losing land that they don't own (and never have) ?
Hardly the point. We shouldn’t want football clubs squeezed out of their homes because some rich greedy bastard can see £££££££ in it.
In all honesty I hope they resolve all their issues concerning this very dubious property grab. As much as I wish them ill on the pitch we as football supporters should stand by them on this one.
Aren't they losing land that they don't own (and never have) ?
Hardly the point. We shouldn’t want football clubs squeezed out of their homes because some rich greedy bastard can see £££££££ in it.
They aren't being squeezed out, they are throwing their toys about because they aren't being given the land to develop. The development goes ahead under Millwalls plans but they get to do it and see the financial profits.
In all honesty I hope they resolve all their issues concerning this very dubious property grab. As much as I wish them ill on the pitch we as football supporters should stand by them on this one.
Aren't they losing land that they don't own (and never have) ?
Hardly the point. We shouldn’t want football clubs squeezed out of their homes because some rich greedy bastard can see £££££££ in it.
They aren't being squeezed out, they are throwing their toys about because they aren't being given the land to develop. The development goes ahead under Millwalls plans but they get to do it and see the financial profits.
Agreed - it seems like it's nothing to do with the football club's future and more to do with their dubious owner's bank balances.
I could be wrong and BBW will correct me I'm sure, but the future of Millwall playing at the Den doesn't appear to be under threat.
They'll merge with that well-known team in the Medway Towns. Aug to Dec it will be called Gillwall, and Jan to May it will be Millingham. Made for each other.
I don't think the local flat cap making industry could cope with the demand GHF!
In all honesty I hope they resolve all their issues concerning this very dubious property grab. As much as I wish them ill on the pitch we as football supporters should stand by them on this one.
Aren't they losing land that they don't own (and never have) ?
Hardly the point. We shouldn’t want football clubs squeezed out of their homes because some rich greedy bastard can see £££££££ in it.
They aren't being squeezed out, they are throwing their toys about because they aren't being given the land to develop. The development goes ahead under Millwalls plans but they get to do it and see the financial profits.
Agreed - it seems like it's nothing to do with the football club's future and more to do with their dubious owner's bank balances.
I could be wrong and BBW will correct me I'm sure, but the future of Millwall playing at the Den doesn't appear to be under threat.
Their car park is under threat and the community centre will be re-located. Millwall owners want to do exactly the same if they get to develop! This is not a story about a football club, it is a story about who trousers the cash. The clubs owner is using the supporters to put pressure on the Council and is saying that some of the profits will be put into the club. No details have been published to say how this will be done as far as I am aware.
It should be noted that their club does not own any land or property in the area. Not the ground or the car park.
I would have thought that a reasonable compromise could be negotiated regarding the car park and would hope that the re-location of the community centre is acceptable as it is known for doing some good work.
Obviously if Millwall owners get to develop the area and do put money into the club it could make them financially secure. What I have never understood is why the owners think they should be given the land to develop and how they expect to take control of the property owned by the preferred developer?
The threat of moving out to Kent also seems a bit far fetched. They have no assets to sell to finance a move. A ground share with us, Gillingham or Dartford?
In all honesty I hope they resolve all their issues concerning this very dubious property grab. As much as I wish them ill on the pitch we as football supporters should stand by them on this one.
Aren't they losing land that they don't own (and never have) ?
Hardly the point. We shouldn’t want football clubs squeezed out of their homes because some rich greedy bastard can see £££££££ in it.
They aren't being squeezed out, they are throwing their toys about because they aren't being given the land to develop. The development goes ahead under Millwalls plans but they get to do it and see the financial profits.
Agreed - it seems like it's nothing to do with the football club's future and more to do with their dubious owner's bank balances.
I could be wrong and BBW will correct me I'm sure, but the future of Millwall playing at the Den doesn't appear to be under threat.
Their car park is under threat and the community centre will be re-located. Millwall owners want to do exactly the same if they get to develop! This is not a story about a football club, it is a story about who trousers the cash. The clubs owner is using the supporters to put pressure on the Council and is saying that some of the profits will be put into the club. No details have been published to say how this will be done as far as I am aware.
It should be noted that their club does not own any land or property in the area. Not the ground or the car park.
I would have thought that a reasonable compromise could be negotiated regarding the car park and would hope that the re-location of the community centre is acceptable as it is known for doing some good work.
Obviously if Millwall owners get to develop the area and do put money into the club it could make them financially secure. What I have never understood is why the owners think they should be given the land to develop and how they expect to take control of the property owned by the preferred developer?
The threat of moving out to Kent also seems a bit far fetched. They have no assets to sell to finance a move. A ground share with us, Gillingham or Dartford?
That second sentence isn’t even true. Kind of puts you off reading the rest of it
In all honesty I hope they resolve all their issues concerning this very dubious property grab. As much as I wish them ill on the pitch we as football supporters should stand by them on this one.
Aren't they losing land that they don't own (and never have) ?
Hardly the point. We shouldn’t want football clubs squeezed out of their homes because some rich greedy bastard can see £££££££ in it.
They aren't being squeezed out, they are throwing their toys about because they aren't being given the land to develop. The development goes ahead under Millwalls plans but they get to do it and see the financial profits.
Agreed - it seems like it's nothing to do with the football club's future and more to do with their dubious owner's bank balances.
I could be wrong and BBW will correct me I'm sure, but the future of Millwall playing at the Den doesn't appear to be under threat.
Their car park is under threat and the community centre will be re-located. Millwall owners want to do exactly the same if they get to develop! This is not a story about a football club, it is a story about who trousers the cash. The clubs owner is using the supporters to put pressure on the Council and is saying that some of the profits will be put into the club. No details have been published to say how this will be done as far as I am aware.
It should be noted that their club does not own any land or property in the area. Not the ground or the car park.
I would have thought that a reasonable compromise could be negotiated regarding the car park and would hope that the re-location of the community centre is acceptable as it is known for doing some good work.
Obviously if Millwall owners get to develop the area and do put money into the club it could make them financially secure. What I have never understood is why the owners think they should be given the land to develop and how they expect to take control of the property owned by the preferred developer?
The threat of moving out to Kent also seems a bit far fetched. They have no assets to sell to finance a move. A ground share with us, Gillingham or Dartford?
That second sentence isn’t even true. Kind of puts you off reading the rest of it
Phew! At least you confirm that the most you will lose is a car park.
Neither Millwall nor Charlton will ever move to Kent. There has never been any chance of it happening and never will be, because it makes no sense and the decision-makers understand that.
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
I've had it from a good source that John Berylson had opportunities to work on a joint redevelopment 10 years ago, but turned his nose up at it. I have mixed feelings on the matter, it is more of an indication of the vast amounts of money needed to make football a viable option for owners these days. On that hand I understand why Berylson wants to have dibs to build, but on the other hand that land doesn't belong to Millwall and what happens if Berylson decides to sell the club in 18 months.
It's not about the car park and it's certainty not about a community trust. They are just pawns.
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
Please explain why Millwall would have to relocate if the development goes ahead and what these 'little nuances' are as I genuinely don't understand the financial implications of losing the car park. On the face of it, it does not seem sufficient to make a club unviable.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
Please explain why Millwall would have to relocate if the development goes ahead and what these 'little nuances' are as I genuinely don't understand the financial implications of losing the car park. On the face of it, it does not seem sufficient to make a club unviable.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
You'd be better served asking bob as he seems to know all the ins and outs.
Seems like I'll be dismissive of you again as I've not once claimed that the club is in danger of folding. If you believe I have then kindly show me the evidence. If you cant then I'd kindly ask you not to lie.
Millwall rent out the car park to the companies that run commuter coaches into London. Losing it will dent one of their little earners and as we know there are often quite small margins in football. That's not the reason to be against this though (and realistically that little earner will disappear whoever redevelops the land). The issue is that this is a land grab by an offshore company, Renewal, with no experience of redevelopment whose directors (and possibly former directors) are former senior officers and politicians of the council pushing through the compulsory purchase. These people stand to make many millions just because they knew the right people at the right time. The whitewash that the council spent half a million on says nothing dodgy happened with regard to process but explicitly said that it was not making a judgement on whether it was moral or not. I know where I stand on this.
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
Please explain why Millwall would have to relocate if the development goes ahead and what these 'little nuances' are as I genuinely don't understand the financial implications of losing the car park. On the face of it, it does not seem sufficient to make a club unviable.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
You'd be better served asking bob as he seems to know all the ins and outs.
Seems like I'll be dismissive of you again as I've not once claimed that the club is in danger of folding. If you believe I have then kindly show me the evidence. If you cant then I'd kindly ask you not to lie.
And there we have it. The club is not at risk. End of.
Here's a different view of the controversy from Barney Ronay (who for some reason never mentions that he is a Millwall fan in his Guardian articles) by his former colleague Dave Hill
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
Please explain why Millwall would have to relocate if the development goes ahead and what these 'little nuances' are as I genuinely don't understand the financial implications of losing the car park. On the face of it, it does not seem sufficient to make a club unviable.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
You'd be better served asking bob as he seems to know all the ins and outs.
Seems like I'll be dismissive of you again as I've not once claimed that the club is in danger of folding. If you believe I have then kindly show me the evidence. If you cant then I'd kindly ask you not to lie.
And there we have it. The club is not at risk. End of.
More like 'and there we have it, BBW didn't say what I accused him of'.
At least you've acknowledged the fact that you were lieing.
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
Please explain why Millwall would have to relocate if the development goes ahead and what these 'little nuances' are as I genuinely don't understand the financial implications of losing the car park. On the face of it, it does not seem sufficient to make a club unviable.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
You'd be better served asking bob as he seems to know all the ins and outs.
Seems like I'll be dismissive of you again as I've not once claimed that the club is in danger of folding. If you believe I have then kindly show me the evidence. If you cant then I'd kindly ask you not to lie.
And there we have it. The club is not at risk. End of.
More like 'and there we have it, BBW didn't say what I accused him of'.
At least you've acknowledged the fact that you were lieing.
Thanks for that.
Yup, I was lying (see how it is spelt?). You came onto our site to tell us not to sign the petition because all is well and the future is fine.
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
Please explain why Millwall would have to relocate if the development goes ahead and what these 'little nuances' are as I genuinely don't understand the financial implications of losing the car park. On the face of it, it does not seem sufficient to make a club unviable.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
You'd be better served asking bob as he seems to know all the ins and outs.
Seems like I'll be dismissive of you again as I've not once claimed that the club is in danger of folding. If you believe I have then kindly show me the evidence. If you cant then I'd kindly ask you not to lie.
And there we have it. The club is not at risk. End of.
More like 'and there we have it, BBW didn't say what I accused him of'.
At least you've acknowledged the fact that you were lieing.
Thanks for that.
Yup, I was lying (see how it is spelt?). You came onto our site to tell us not to sign the petition because all is well and the future is fine.
Yep (sea how it is spelled?). You said I'd said that the club was in danger of folding. I didn't. Had you said that I asked you to sign a petition then I'd have agreed with you.
It's a good trait to be able to admit when you're wrong, so we'll done on that front.
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
Please explain why Millwall would have to relocate if the development goes ahead and what these 'little nuances' are as I genuinely don't understand the financial implications of losing the car park. On the face of it, it does not seem sufficient to make a club unviable.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
You'd be better served asking bob as he seems to know all the ins and outs.
Seems like I'll be dismissive of you again as I've not once claimed that the club is in danger of folding. If you believe I have then kindly show me the evidence. If you cant then I'd kindly ask you not to lie.
And there we have it. The club is not at risk. End of.
More like 'and there we have it, BBW didn't say what I accused him of'.
At least you've acknowledged the fact that you were lieing.
Thanks for that.
Yup, I was lying (see how it is spelt?). You came onto our site to tell us not to sign the petition because all is well and the future is fine.
Yep (sea how it is spelled?). You said I'd said that the club was in danger of folding. I didn't. Had you said that I asked you to sign a petition then I'd have agreed with you.
It's a good trait to be able to admit when you're wrong, so we'll done on that front.
Here's a different view of the controversy from Barney Ronay (who for some reason never mentions that he is a Millwall fan in his Guardian articles) by his former colleague Dave Hill
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
Please explain why Millwall would have to relocate if the development goes ahead and what these 'little nuances' are as I genuinely don't understand the financial implications of losing the car park. On the face of it, it does not seem sufficient to make a club unviable.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
You'd be better served asking bob as he seems to know all the ins and outs.
Seems like I'll be dismissive of you again as I've not once claimed that the club is in danger of folding. If you believe I have then kindly show me the evidence. If you cant then I'd kindly ask you not to lie.
And there we have it. The club is not at risk. End of.
More like 'and there we have it, BBW didn't say what I accused him of'.
At least you've acknowledged the fact that you were lieing.
Thanks for that.
Yup, I was lying (see how it is spelt?). You came onto our site to tell us not to sign the petition because all is well and the future is fine.
Yep (sea how it is spelled?). You said I'd said that the club was in danger of folding. I didn't. Had you said that I asked you to sign a petition then I'd have agreed with you.
It's a good trait to be able to admit when you're wrong, so we'll done on that front.
Here's a different view of the controversy from Barney Ronay (who for some reason never mentions that he is a Millwall fan in his Guardian articles) by his former colleague Dave Hill
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
Please explain why Millwall would have to relocate if the development goes ahead and what these 'little nuances' are as I genuinely don't understand the financial implications of losing the car park. On the face of it, it does not seem sufficient to make a club unviable.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
You'd be better served asking bob as he seems to know all the ins and outs.
Seems like I'll be dismissive of you again as I've not once claimed that the club is in danger of folding. If you believe I have then kindly show me the evidence. If you cant then I'd kindly ask you not to lie.
And there we have it. The club is not at risk. End of.
More like 'and there we have it, BBW didn't say what I accused him of'.
At least you've acknowledged the fact that you were lieing.
Thanks for that.
Yup, I was lying (see how it is spelt?). You came onto our site to tell us not to sign the petition because all is well and the future is fine.
Yep (sea how it is spelled?). You said I'd said that the club was in danger of folding. I didn't. Had you said that I asked you to sign a petition then I'd have agreed with you.
It's a good trait to be able to admit when you're wrong, so we'll done on that front.
There’s rivalry and then there’s football morality
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
But they aren't having their home taken from them, there is land around the ground that the owners want to develop. Millwall are saying they should be allowed to buy the land & develop it & if they can't they may have to relocate. It's absolute bollocks. The land is going to be developed, what it comes down to is who is going to develop it, millwall who don't own it & for some reason think that they have some right to the land or developers acting for the owners / or buying the land to develop. There is absolutely no reason for them to relocate.
You sound very close to the action and seem to know more than most. Very definitive about certain aspects as well.
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
Please explain why Millwall would have to relocate if the development goes ahead and what these 'little nuances' are as I genuinely don't understand the financial implications of losing the car park. On the face of it, it does not seem sufficient to make a club unviable.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
You'd be better served asking bob as he seems to know all the ins and outs.
Seems like I'll be dismissive of you again as I've not once claimed that the club is in danger of folding. If you believe I have then kindly show me the evidence. If you cant then I'd kindly ask you not to lie.
And there we have it. The club is not at risk. End of.
More like 'and there we have it, BBW didn't say what I accused him of'.
At least you've acknowledged the fact that you were lieing.
Thanks for that.
Yup, I was lying (see how it is spelt?). You came onto our site to tell us not to sign the petition because all is well and the future is fine.
Yep (sea how it is spelled?). You said I'd said that the club was in danger of folding. I didn't. Had you said that I asked you to sign a petition then I'd have agreed with you.
It's a good trait to be able to admit when you're wrong, so we'll done on that front.
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I could be wrong and BBW will correct me I'm sure, but the future of Millwall playing at the Den doesn't appear to be under threat.
Someone will suggest us groundsharing with them at North Greenwich.
It should be noted that their club does not own any land or property in the area. Not the ground or the car park.
I would have thought that a reasonable compromise could be negotiated regarding the car park and would hope that the re-location of the community centre is acceptable as it is known for doing some good work.
Obviously if Millwall owners get to develop the area and do put money into the club it could make them financially secure. What I have never understood is why the owners think they should be given the land to develop and how they expect to take control of the property owned by the preferred developer?
The threat of moving out to Kent also seems a bit far fetched. They have no assets to sell to finance a move. A ground share with us, Gillingham or Dartford?
I don’t like them I hope they get relegated to whatever league is below us but I want them to exist and I want them to exist in their own manor
I would not wish on any club theirs or even those stripey dirty cnuts
To have their home taken and banished to another area
Football is more than that
Tell me, other than sourcing your apparent extensive and unrivalled knowledge from newspapers, how many fingers do you have in the pie to be able to be so black and white about it all?
To say 'There is absolutely no reason' would suggest that you know of all the little nuances of the situation and the financial impact of losing the car park and relocating the community scheme.
Or is it, as I suspect, you just gobbing off about a non-rival who you consider to be more than a non-rival?
I have mixed feelings on the matter, it is more of an indication of the vast amounts of money needed to make football a viable option for owners these days. On that hand I understand why Berylson wants to have dibs to build, but on the other hand that land doesn't belong to Millwall and what happens if Berylson decides to sell the club in 18 months.
It's not about the car park and it's certainty not about a community trust. They are just pawns.
You also seem to suggest that there is a financial implication to relocating the community centre. I had assumed that it was non profit making and the cost would therefore be a one off? Please enlighten me.
You have been very dismissive of me and others who challenge you, but if you come onto another clubs website claiming your club is in danger of folding you have a responsibility to explain it properly.
Seems like I'll be dismissive of you again as I've not once claimed that the club is in danger of folding. If you believe I have then kindly show me the evidence. If you cant then I'd kindly ask you not to lie.
The issue is that this is a land grab by an offshore company, Renewal, with no experience of redevelopment whose directors (and possibly former directors) are former senior officers and politicians of the council pushing through the compulsory purchase. These people stand to make many millions just because they knew the right people at the right time.
The whitewash that the council spent half a million on says nothing dodgy happened with regard to process but explicitly said that it was not making a judgement on whether it was moral or not. I know where I stand on this.
http://www.onlondon.co.uk/millwall-new-bermondsey-its-time-to-get-this-story-straight/
At least you've acknowledged the fact that you were lieing.
Thanks for that.
It's a good trait to be able to admit when you're wrong, so we'll done on that front.