The decision to our lyrics yellow Gregory for the foul on Rudd was just as bad in my view. Or maybe worse. He recognised it was a foul as he gavery a yellow. But the rules state that if it's a foul it's a red. Keeper standing up ball in hands deliberate sticking out of the foot to trip him (I just watched it again!). Should have been again straight red!
Shambles.
You got a Stanley Unwin setting on your autocorrect Canters?
No he's pissed
Rude
Just because I'm a student doesn't mean I'm always pissed...
I'm actually supposed to be writing an essay in environmental policy but I can't be arsed so I'm procrastinating on here...
Appalling decision - nothing wrong with the goal. Even though there are a couple of red shirts in offside positions in no way can it be said they were interfering with play. Would love to see the assessor's report on his performance. The least he can do is offer an explanation, but I won't hold my breath!!
Keith Stroud has been given a game this weekend.....Another London Derby. QPR vs Fulham live on Sky Sports. No doubt he will put on a show for the cameras
Sent this email (below-yesterday to EFL to complain about the "twerp in the black" aka Keith Stroud, received this reply today. Does not really answer anything but at least they are aware.
From : enquiries@efl.com Date : 17/01/2017 - 11:00 (GMTST) To : sargentg@btinternet.com Subject : RE: Referee Performance
Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.
While we are not always able to comment on specific individual decisions/incidents, in a general sense, the EFL receives numerous queries and complaints regarding individual referees/match officials’ decisions and their overall performance. We can advise that the performances of all officials are constantly monitored by way of club and match observer, match videos or DVD and footage received by the referee coaches. Matches are also analysed by the Referees' Manager, a referees’ coach and the referee and, despite the perception of some, match officials are most accountable for their performance. Indeed, poor referee performances can impact on future appointments.
Without commenting on specific incidents, in a general sense, in some cases it is extremely difficult to spot every single incident that occurs on the field of play, whether this be due to the proximity of the ball to players, the position of the referee, or other players obscuring views of the officials. In addition it is a fact that the human element of the sport means referees do also make mistakes during games, just like players (missing penalties, committing fouls etc) and managers do on a weekly basis. With only one chance to view every incident, and no benefit of replays, the modern referee has a sometimes difficult task.
In all situations the decision of the referee is final. Clubs do have the opportunity to raise any issues with the Referee’s Manager, and we can confirm that the Referees’ Manager has been in contact with the club based on this fixture, however such discussions remain private. The Referee will sit down with his coach and review all the incidents you refer to.
The Referees’ Manager works with his group in a bid to constantly improve standards in a game which has become faster and more frenetic over recent years. Every match is recorded and assessed, with referees under closer scrutiny than ever before. Specifically, the emphasis is on development of referees and refereeing standards and the match assessor is asked to appraise the referee’s performance against the following competencies;
• Application of the Laws of the Game and disciplinary control • Management of the games and players • Personality • Teamwork • Fitness, positioning and movements
We trust that this at least highlights to you the procedures in place designed to improve performances and thank you for contacting the EFL with your comments, which have been noted and passed on.
Thank you for contacting the EFL.
Regards,
Jessica Crook Supporter Services Department EFL
Sent: 16 January 2017 13:59 To: EFL Enquiries Subject: Referee Performance
Good Afternoon,
Can you please advise me on what action (if any?) you intend to take against Keith Stroud (the referee for Saturdays EFL League One match between Charlton Athletic and Millwall). You have no doubt will have received a report from your matchday assessor of his performance and will no doubt have read the comments of Charlton manager Karl Robinson too. This referee, not for the first time has made an extremely damaging decision against Charlton during this match and now appears to have admitted to his error which was obvious to the majority of fans at the match. He also was responsible for twice "getting in the way " of breakaway attacks halting them better than the Millwall defence was likely to have done. If this official is allowed to make such a devastating mistake in a match and go unpunished (a mistake that he has openly admitted to) then it shows how little integrity there is in the sport as far as EFL are concerned. This particular individual should not be allowed to referee another match involving Charlton Athletic again as it would seem that he has a hidden agenda against the club. Yes I am a disappointed Addicks fan, not because we did not win (we are surely used to that) but the with the fact that this was caused by an official who did not even take the time to consult his assistant who did not flag for an infringement and who continues to make dubious decisions against our team. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Keith Stroud has been given a game this weekend.....Another London Derby. QPR vs Fulham live on Sky Sports. No doubt he will put on a show for the cameras
Just put this on the other thread. It's an absolute disgrace which shows utter contempt for fans of all the clubs involved. The EFL should hang their heads in shame.
An interesting letter that went a bit further than expected. Reading between the lines, I suspect Stroud has got a telling off for Saturday. There is some generic stuff about referee's making errors, but my position, and I suspect the position of the assessor would be how did you see something that didn't happen? I mean, if you miss something that did happen, that is sort of fair enough - you have missed it - but as a ref has to give what he sees, there was nothing to see!
I think the only defence Stroud can give is that he thought he saw a contact which clearly didn't happen. Then you have to go into quetioning his officials etc... Due to Bauer having significant daylight (or floodlight) between himself and the keeper it would definitely be a blot against Stroud and so it should be! He will be under a bit of pressure not to make another massive mistake I suspect.
The only thing we can rule out is that Stroud is a cheat. He would not want his integrity and competence legitimately questioned and his mistake shown on Sky Sports. Refs don't like making these sort of mistakes! But it is a mistake he should never have made. He clearly saw a slight initial movement of Bauer towards the keeper and assumed the rest. That goes against his training - you can only call what you or your assistants see!
An interesting letter that went a bit further than expected. Reading between the lines, I suspect Stroud has got a telling off for Saturday. There is some generic stuff about referee's making errors, but my position, and I suspect the position of the assessor would be how did you see something that didn't happen? I mean, if you miss something that did happen, that is sort of fair enough - you have missed it - but as a ref has to give what he sees, there was nothing to see!
I think the only defence Stroud can give is that he thought he saw a contact which clearly didn't happen. Then you have to go into quetioning his officials etc... Due to Bauer having significant daylight (or floodlight) between himself and the keeper it would definitely be a blot against Stroud and so it should be! He will be under a bit of pressure not to make another massive mistake I suspect.
The only thing we can rule out is that Stroud is a cheat. He would not want his integrity and competence legitimately questioned and his mistake shown on Sky Sports. Refs don't like making these sort of mistakes! But it is a mistake he should never have made. He clearly saw a slight initial movement of Bauer towards the keeper and assumed the rest. That goes against his training - you can only call what you or your assistants see!
I'm not saying he is a cheap but it's got a bit beyond coincidence now.
When was the last time he had a good game reffing us? Everytime he has a terrible game!
5 Charlton players sent off in the last 12 games of ours he has officiated.
There are always comments about him being shite.
It's wasn't the one decision wrong on Saturday it was start to finish!
An interesting letter that went a bit further than expected. Reading between the lines, I suspect Stroud has got a telling off for Saturday. There is some generic stuff about referee's making errors, but my position, and I suspect the position of the assessor would be how did you see something that didn't happen? I mean, if you miss something that did happen, that is sort of fair enough - you have missed it - but as a ref has to give what he sees, there was nothing to see!
I think the only defence Stroud can give is that he thought he saw a contact which clearly didn't happen. Then you have to go into quetioning his officials etc... Due to Bauer having significant daylight (or floodlight) between himself and the keeper it would definitely be a blot against Stroud and so it should be! He will be under a bit of pressure not to make another massive mistake I suspect.
The only thing we can rule out is that Stroud is a cheat. He would not want his integrity and competence legitimately questioned and his mistake shown on Sky Sports. Refs don't like making these sort of mistakes! But it is a mistake he should never have made. He clearly saw a slight initial movement of Bauer towards the keeper and assumed the rest. That goes against his training - you can only call what you or your assistants see!
I'm not saying he is a cheap but it's got a bit beyond coincidence now.
When was the last time he had a good game reffing us? Everytime he has a terrible game!
5 Charlton players sent off in the last 12 games of ours he has officiated.
There are always comments about him being shite.
It's wasn't the one decision wrong on Saturday it was start to finish!
It amazes me that he didn't send Makienok off at Rotherham.
The locals were chanting for him to go off, and Stroud had a chance to put himself in the spotlight, yet he went with the sensible (correct) decision of just gave him a talking to.
I thought Tex's first booking could be fairly classed as a booking, but somebody who had played the game would have given him just a talking to as it was a committed rather than dangerous challenge. A lot of refs don't seem to know the difference. Stroud is a poor ref - not a cheat - but a poor ref. If he refs us again we have just as much chance of him giving a dodgy decision in our favour - it is just we have been unlucky with his decisions do far but he makes a dodgy one nearly every game! - The main issue is he makes too many dodgy decisions!
Also, Millwall player would have got a straight red from me for his challenge on Rudd - it wasn't as if he was going for a close ball - Rudd had the ball in his hands a good few seconds before he caught him. It was nasty, dnagerous and reckless!
I thought Tex's first booking could be fairly classed as a booking, but somebody who had played the game would have given him just a talking to as it was a committed rather than dangerous challenge. A lot of refs don't seem to know the difference. Stroud is a poor ref - not a cheat - but a poor ref. If he refs us again we have just as much chance of him giving a dodgy decision in our favour - it is just we have been unlucky with his decisions do far but he makes a dodgy one nearly every game! - The main issue is he makes too many dodgy decisions!
Also, Millwall player would have got a straight red from me for his challenge on Rudd - it wasn't as if he was going for a close ball - Rudd had the ball in his hands a good few seconds before he caught him. It was nasty, dnagerous and reckless!
That Gregory challenge on Rudd for me was a bigger mistake of his than the goal/non goal. Watch it back and it's so clear he stuck a foot out to trip Rudd (exactly as I called it in real time). What makes it worse is Stroud saw it from the perfect angle and called the foul. Therefore under the laws of the game if that is a foul it's a red. But somehow he decided to ignore the laws and give a yellow!
I don't think it is a bigger mistake - because he didn't see anything on the goal as there was nothing to see, but made a decision which can only be from an assumption. I can see the inconsistencies though - which only serve to highlight what a poor ref he is. I woud love to have heard his conversation with the assessor after the game!
I don't think it is a bigger mistake - because he didn't see anything on the goal as there was nothing to see, but made a decision which can only be from an assumption. I can see the inconsistencies though - which only serve to highlight what a poor ref he is. I woud love to have heard his conversation with the assessor after the game!
Possibly. But for him to see something and actually make the right call only to dish out the wrong punishment (as stated by the laws) is a pretty stupid mistake.
It's nor just Stroud who makes things up. Looking at the Millwall players reaction you can see them pointing to the linesman who seems to have signalled a foul even though he was not in such a good position as the referee. This must have confirmed Stroud's idea that something happened that he missed.
It's nor just Stroud who makes things up. Looking at the Millwall players reaction you can see them pointing to the linesman who seems to have signalled a foul even though he was not in such a good position as the referee. This must have confirmed Stroud's idea that something happened that he missed.
He's paid for he sees, not what he thinks he sees.
Comments
edp24.co.uk/sport/distraught_kettle_apologises_for_basey_blunder_1_584729
I'm not holding my breathe for an apology from Stroud though.
He runs around at the moment; doesnt have a clue and makes his decisions based on guess work.
When he can no longer run around he can just stand there, making his decisions based on guess work!!
From : enquiries@efl.com
Date : 17/01/2017 - 11:00 (GMTST)
To : sargentg@btinternet.com
Subject : RE: Referee Performance
Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.
While we are not always able to comment on specific individual decisions/incidents, in a general sense, the EFL receives numerous queries and complaints regarding individual referees/match officials’ decisions and their overall performance. We can advise that the performances of all officials are constantly monitored by way of club and match observer, match videos or DVD and footage received by the referee coaches. Matches are also analysed by the Referees' Manager, a referees’ coach and the referee and, despite the perception of some, match officials are most accountable for their performance. Indeed, poor referee performances can impact on future appointments.
Without commenting on specific incidents, in a general sense, in some cases it is extremely difficult to spot every single incident that occurs on the field of play, whether this be due to the proximity of the ball to players, the position of the referee, or other players obscuring views of the officials. In addition it is a fact that the human element of the sport means referees do also make mistakes during games, just like players (missing penalties, committing fouls etc) and managers do on a weekly basis. With only one chance to view every incident, and no benefit of replays, the modern referee has a sometimes difficult task.
In all situations the decision of the referee is final. Clubs do have the opportunity to raise any issues with the Referee’s Manager, and we can confirm that the Referees’ Manager has been in contact with the club based on this fixture, however such discussions remain private. The Referee will sit down with his coach and review all the incidents you refer to.
The Referees’ Manager works with his group in a bid to constantly improve standards in a game which has become faster and more frenetic over recent years. Every match is recorded and assessed, with referees under closer scrutiny than ever before. Specifically, the emphasis is on development of referees and refereeing standards and the match assessor is asked to appraise the referee’s performance against the following competencies;
• Application of the Laws of the Game and disciplinary control
• Management of the games and players
• Personality
• Teamwork
• Fitness, positioning and movements
We trust that this at least highlights to you the procedures in place designed to improve performances and thank you for contacting the EFL with your comments, which have been noted and passed on.
Thank you for contacting the EFL.
Regards,
Jessica Crook
Supporter Services Department
EFL
Sent: 16 January 2017 13:59
To: EFL Enquiries
Subject: Referee Performance
Good Afternoon,
Can you please advise me on what action (if any?) you intend to take against Keith Stroud (the referee for Saturdays EFL League One match between Charlton Athletic and Millwall). You have no doubt will have received a report from your matchday assessor of his performance and will no doubt have read the comments of Charlton manager Karl Robinson too. This referee, not for the first time has made an extremely damaging decision against Charlton during this match and now appears to have admitted to his error which was obvious to the majority of fans at the match. He also was responsible for twice "getting in the way " of breakaway attacks halting them better than the Millwall defence was likely to have done. If this official is allowed to make such a devastating mistake in a match and go unpunished (a mistake that he has openly admitted to) then it shows how little integrity there is in the sport as far as EFL are concerned. This particular individual should not be allowed to referee another match involving Charlton Athletic again as it would seem that he has a hidden agenda against the club.
Yes I am a disappointed Addicks fan, not because we did not win (we are surely used to that) but the with the fact that this was caused by an official who did not even take the time to consult his assistant who did not flag for an infringement and who continues to make dubious decisions against our team.
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Graham Sargent
I assume it's what Keith Stroud will do when he retires...
I think the only defence Stroud can give is that he thought he saw a contact which clearly didn't happen. Then you have to go into quetioning his officials etc... Due to Bauer having significant daylight (or floodlight) between himself and the keeper it would definitely be a blot against Stroud and so it should be! He will be under a bit of pressure not to make another massive mistake I suspect.
The only thing we can rule out is that Stroud is a cheat. He would not want his integrity and competence legitimately questioned and his mistake shown on Sky Sports. Refs don't like making these sort of mistakes! But it is a mistake he should never have made. He clearly saw a slight initial movement of Bauer towards the keeper and assumed the rest. That goes against his training - you can only call what you or your assistants see!
Or something like that.
When was the last time he had a good game reffing us? Everytime he has a terrible game!
5 Charlton players sent off in the last 12 games of ours he has officiated.
There are always comments about him being shite.
It's wasn't the one decision wrong on Saturday it was start to finish!
The locals were chanting for him to go off, and Stroud had a chance to put himself in the spotlight, yet he went with the sensible (correct) decision of just gave him a talking to.
Also, Millwall player would have got a straight red from me for his challenge on Rudd - it wasn't as if he was going for a close ball - Rudd had the ball in his hands a good few seconds before he caught him. It was nasty, dnagerous and reckless!