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  • The trouble with having 2 or 3 debutants, is invariably they never do well initially, and that adds pressure on the other batsmen.Though I'm s sure someone will tell me differently.
  • For some reason, Foakes doesn't seem to be on the radar, and his batting average is not particularly spectacular. I think the problem they have with Balance is that there is a dearth of talent at the moment (how many times do we say that ?) - in essence, you could imagine the conversation they might be having behind the scenes, which is, how do we drop someone who has an average of over 100 for someone with an average in the 20's or 30's ? - cant see it happening.
  • Gary Ballance is seeing a hand surgeon in Leeds tonight. Looks set to miss at least next Test.
    This will save the selectors (and Root) making that decision
  • Balance *might* have a broken finger, x-rays today.
    Wood, im not surprised if he does have an injury, as his body cant seem to stand up to the rigours of back-to-back Test.
    Woakes apparently isn't fit until Windies.

    If it's not broken on the way in, I'm confident someone could break it on the way out :smile:

  • Gary Ballance is seeing a hand surgeon in Leeds tonight. Looks set to miss at least next Test.
    This will save the selectors (and Root) making that decision

    Which will mean they will unlikely to drop Jennings. Bring Stoneman in for Balance, and another bat/spinner for Dawson - maybe Samit Patel because he gives you both.
  • For some reason, Foakes doesn't seem to be on the radar, and his batting average is not particularly spectacular. I think the problem they have with Balance is that there is a dearth of talent at the moment (how many times do we say that ?) - in essence, you could imagine the conversation they might be having behind the scenes, which is, how do we drop someone who has an average of over 100 for someone with an average in the 20's or 30's ? - cant see it happening.

    You seem to be obsessed with averages. Bob Willis as a bowler and David Gower as a batsman didn't have great averages at County level. But they were class at Test level. The gulf between County bowlers and bowlers like Rabada, Philander and Morkel is huge.


  • Gary Ballance is seeing a hand surgeon in Leeds tonight. Looks set to miss at least next Test.
    This will save the selectors (and Root) making that decision
    Which will mean they will unlikely to drop Jennings. Bring Stoneman in for Balance, and another bat/spinner for Dawson - maybe Samit Patel because he gives you both.

    Yes, with 2 batsmen needed to replace Dawson and Ballance, and a seamer to replace Wood, the selectors may not want to make a 4th change. Stoneman to open, with Jennings at 3?
  • dickplumb said:

    For some reason, Foakes doesn't seem to be on the radar, and his batting average is not particularly spectacular. I think the problem they have with Balance is that there is a dearth of talent at the moment (how many times do we say that ?) - in essence, you could imagine the conversation they might be having behind the scenes, which is, how do we drop someone who has an average of over 100 for someone with an average in the 20's or 30's ? - cant see it happening.

    You seem to be obsessed with averages. Bob Willis as a bowler and David Gower as a batsman didn't have great averages at County level. But they were class at Test level. The gulf between County bowlers and bowlers like Rabada, Philander and Morkel is huge.

    Trescothic had an average in the 20s when Fletcher plucked him from county cricket.
  • For some reason, Foakes doesn't seem to be on the radar, and his batting average is not particularly spectacular. I think the problem they have with Balance is that there is a dearth of talent at the moment (how many times do we say that ?) - in essence, you could imagine the conversation they might be having behind the scenes, which is, how do we drop someone who has an average of over 100 for someone with an average in the 20's or 30's ? - cant see it happening.

    Those who watch a lot of county cricket (Rob key, Butch, Rainford-Brent, Daggers etc) have been calling for him. The sky commentators rarely if ever watch county cricket and frankly don't have a clue about it.
  • dickplumb said:

    For some reason, Foakes doesn't seem to be on the radar, and his batting average is not particularly spectacular. I think the problem they have with Balance is that there is a dearth of talent at the moment (how many times do we say that ?) - in essence, you could imagine the conversation they might be having behind the scenes, which is, how do we drop someone who has an average of over 100 for someone with an average in the 20's or 30's ? - cant see it happening.

    You seem to be obsessed with averages. Bob Willis as a bowler and David Gower as a batsman didn't have great averages at County level. But they were class at Test level. The gulf between County bowlers and bowlers like Rabada, Philander and Morkel is huge.

    Trescothic had an average in the 20s when Fletcher plucked him from county cricket.
    Fletcher knew the county game, he would clearly watch games for himself to try and spot for himself potential England players
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  • When we are on the front foot we look good but as soon as we have to defend, play through a session, we are poor. We have very few players who can bat conservatively they are all shot players who want runs. This is where we fall apart when we want them to have common sense and bat appropriately to the conditions.
  • Chokewatch: 6 off 13 needed, 4 wickets in hand. Set batter plays reverse scoop FFS. 6 off 12, 3 wickets in hand
  • 5 off 10, 3 wickets
  • 4 off 8
  • 3 required off the last over
  • 3 off 5. Dropped catch. Saffers can choke too!
  • 2 runs off 3 ball, 2 wickets left
  • 2 off 3. Wicket falls. 2 wickets in hand
  • Game over! Number ten hits a four. Hard work of it...
  • And England win with a 4!

    I've been following the women's game for years on cricinfo, I know most of the players names... It's a bit rubbish to watch though
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  • All this for the right to completely freeze against Australia like every time
  • Could have said you were talking about Womens cricket! just checked for the scores and then was like oh.... cant say i have ever had the urge to watch it. Funny when i am very keen on womans snooker to get better eg. more exposure and rooting for them when they are in qualifiers for the main game. (sorry didnt mean to go of topic)
  • Most of the girls look ok at batting but the bowling leaves a lot to be desired.
  • bit like the women's football.

    the standard is poor
  • Most of the girls look ok at batting but the bowling leaves a lot to be desired.

    Could any of them replace Ballance or Jennings?
  • Sarah Taylor could probably play pro cricket as a keeper, she'd probably bat at 10 or 11 though?
  • When we are on the front foot we look good but as soon as we have to defend, play through a session, we are poor. We have very few players who can bat conservatively they are all shot players who want runs. This is where we fall apart when we want them to have common sense and bat appropriately to the conditions.

    Agree. I think this while batting positively idea and putting pressure on the bowlers has been blown way out of proportion.

    There is a difference between battibg positively and being aggressive. It is still a test match. Bat like it. You can be positive and put pressure on the bowlers by knowing where the gap is and pushing the single. Do that 3 times an over and hit the bad ball and you are going along comfortably without unnecessary risk. This 'I'm a positive player it's how I bat' excuse is a load of bollocks, use your brain you don't have to smack every ball for 6.
  • I watched the last 5 overs of the SA innings - big heave ho's to leg for 1#s & 2's but none of their batters got under the ball & hit for 4 or 6 as you would see in the mens game.
  • There's a bit of a divide in the women's game between those who can hit sixes and those who can't. In a few years they all will
  • Is Bayliss really the person to run the Test team, someone who knows nothing about the county game, and who has never seen Stoneman play?

    What does he know about Test cricket too? Him and Farbrace have undoubtedly improved our white ball game but neither have coached a top team in Test cricket. We have a different captain for different types of international cricket so why not different coaches? Who else is in the team? Mark Ramprakash! Says it all.
    The man who should be England's Test Manager/Coach is at every Test. Sadly he is sitting in the commentary box. The man who along with Duncan Fletcher laid the foundations for the huge change in England's Test fortunes.....Nasser Hussain.
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