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Top six is still very much achievable imho and so it bloody should be with our budget.
But promotion winning teams hang on to one nil leads more often than not.
Beat a recently revived Oldham and we're back in it, gap closed a little and games in hand.
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Calm down mate, I made a tongue in cheek comment about Roland giving me a job considering his track record and that you clearly don't need experience of being in the footballing world to work for the club right now, even if I am a qualified coach...Tutt-Tutt said:
What you have illustrated is League One standard players, who make mistakes. If they were better players, they'd be earning more money at a higher level.Sage said:There you go Roland, I'm a qualified coach and have demonstrated some knowledge, now where is my job offer..?
It also illustrates weaknesses that the manager and the coaching staff should be eradicating in training, by working on better organisation. However, is a League One standard manager and coach capable of doing so? If they were better coaches, they would be earning more money at a higher level.
So we have League One standard players managed by League One standard coaches. If you want to get out of this League, you need to sign Championship standard players, and have a Championship standard manager, who understands what's required. Powell turned out to be of that standard, as did his signings in Stephens, Kermorgant, Morrison, Wiggins, Hamer, BWP, Cort, and others, alongside Solly who was already here.
Unless we go back to that template, we ain't going anywhere. The latest manager can talk himself up as much as he likes and try to heal the club, but we ain't going anywhere by selling our better players and replacing them with loans.
We are treading water as a club, with an owner telling us it's not about results, it's about the social atmosphere. Winning and losing is irrelevant.
Yes it does illustrate that we have weaknesses and that we are a League One club. But I have seen Sunday league player's able to read the game and have better positioning than that evaluation of mine showed. If you read my post previously, I said, "I hope this gets picked up on and analysed, because it's these simple things that happen so often that clearly cost us points." A low qualified coach or performance analyst should be able to pick up the points I analysed, if they can't, they shouldn't really be involved in football, especially one's involved at a professional club.
You don't need to bring everything down to the way the club is run. Yes, it is a joke and I am an active protestor. But that wasn't the points I was making. Many people on this thread had said they don't know who was at fault for the equaliser. So I broke down the play, scene by scene, to show exactly what happened to provide those with the answers. @JamesSeed appreciated that.
It does show that we have weaknesses, as does every side, but I made the point of saying I hope it gets picked up on and therefore, gets worked on in training. Although, there won't be much training opportunities over the next few weeks as we are playing twice a week, most sessions will be things like analysis and recovery sessions for the boys who played the game before.
There's just no need to bring Powell and our promotion winning side into it as that's totally irrelevant when I was going through the goal we conceded yesterday. Maybe the player's we had before didn't make those same mistakes the amount of times we have seen it recently and that was because of them being so well organised. But it still doesn't have anything to do with the fact of me going through, piece by piece of the goal yesterday.2 -
@sage I didn't read @Tutt-Tutt post as digging you out.
I thought your analysis was excellent and informative just as I do tutt-tutts.
As it happens I think Robinson agrees with you.
He's said it wasn't our fitness or style of play but a lapse of concentration that cost us the goal.
There's a wider issue of if we're two up the goal doesn't matter but he's saying the same as you imho2 -
Okay, I apologise if I had misunderstood as I thought @Tutt-Tutt was digging me out a little. Maybe got ahead of myself there.Henry Irving said:@sage I didn't read @Tutt-Tutt post as digging you out.
I thought your analysis was excellent and informative just as I do tutt-tutts.
As it happens I think Robinson agrees with you.
He's said it wasn't our fitness or style of play but a lapse of concentration that cost us the goal.
There's a wider issue of if we're two up the goal doesn't matter but he's saying the same as you imho0 -
You have to try to win these games 3-0 - I don't think we played backs to the wall but there is a mentality in some of the players that is frustrating - that and we are not good at getting the second. Novak is a striker and should score to make it 2-0 then it is game over. Not digging out Novak, because it could quite easily be somebody else, but it is basically telling us why we can't go on the run of wins we need to. The team isn't a million miles away in the context of this division - it could easily be in the top few places in terms of losing fewest games, but it lacks something.
I don't think it is fair to take that out on Robinson, because I think he knows what is needed and is trying to find it. I worry that he won't get the backing in the summer to do the job. Maybe he can still find a way with the squad as it is this season, they have to improve quickly though in those key areas. We need a run of wins so badly and quickly.1 -
The game in hand over Millwall disappears on Saturday, we will need to win both on Tuesday and Saturday and them to lose on Tuesday (Home to Port Vale) to draw level on points (although we have a better goal difference). We have played the same number of games as Rochdale if fact after our game with Oxford on the 18th they will have a game in hand over us.1
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For such a respected analyst of the game I'm extremely surprised Tutt-Tutt has stooped to reductively calling some of our players 'League One players' and our manager a 'League One manager', as if there's no way a good young player or manager can adapt to a higher league. And look at the players who switched off for the goal: Tex, Bauer, Magennis, Chicksen. All perfectly capable of looking good in the Championship. I don't think our squad or our manager are the problem right now. We just need a surge of confidence and for our window signings to stop injuring themselves or incurring suspensions. And a big effort from our fans.1
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No problem, not digging you out. Just pointing out that players in League One are playing at this level for a reason, which you illustrated perfectly.Sage said:
Okay, I apologise if I had misunderstood as I thought @Tutt-Tutt was digging me out a little. Maybe got ahead of myself there.Henry Irving said:@sage I didn't read @Tutt-Tutt post as digging you out.
I thought your analysis was excellent and informative just as I do tutt-tutts.
As it happens I think Robinson agrees with you.
He's said it wasn't our fitness or style of play but a lapse of concentration that cost us the goal.
There's a wider issue of if we're two up the goal doesn't matter but he's saying the same as you imho
There's enough childish stuff on this forum, without me adding to it.8 -
You win three games on the spin and things start to look rosier. My question is - can we win three games on the spin let alone go on a stella run from now until the end of the season. On paper we have some players that should be too good for this level. It is about they showed it and we started thrashing a few teams. We need to find a way to score goals more freely. This is a matter of urgency.1
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So why are they not playing at Championship level and earning more money?Leuth said:For such a respected analyst of the game I'm extremely surprised Tutt-Tutt has stooped to reductively calling some of our players 'League One players' and our manager a 'League One manager', as if there's no way a good young player or manager can adapt to a higher league. And look at the players who switched off for the goal: Tex, Bauer, Magennis, Chicksen. All perfectly capable of looking good in the Championship. I don't think our squad or our manager are the problem right now. We just need a surge of confidence and for our window signings to stop injuring themselves or incurring suspensions. And a big effort from our fans.
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Isn't the CARD Belgium trip a stella runMuttleyCAFC said:You win three games on the spin and things start to look rosier. My question is - can we win three games on the spin let alone go on a stella run from now until the end of the season. On paper we have some players that should be too good for this level. It is about they showed it and we started thrashing a few teams. We need to find a way to score goals more freely. This is a matter of urgency.
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Because we probably pay Championship wages?Tutt-Tutt said:
So why are they not playing at Championship level and earning more money?Leuth said:For such a respected analyst of the game I'm extremely surprised Tutt-Tutt has stooped to reductively calling some of our players 'League One players' and our manager a 'League One manager', as if there's no way a good young player or manager can adapt to a higher league. And look at the players who switched off for the goal: Tex, Bauer, Magennis, Chicksen. All perfectly capable of looking good in the Championship. I don't think our squad or our manager are the problem right now. We just need a surge of confidence and for our window signings to stop injuring themselves or incurring suspensions. And a big effort from our fans.
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Some of them are, supposedly. Tex on 12k PW according to very well placed sources.Tutt-Tutt said:
So why are they not playing at Championship level and earning more money?Leuth said:For such a respected analyst of the game I'm extremely surprised Tutt-Tutt has stooped to reductively calling some of our players 'League One players' and our manager a 'League One manager', as if there's no way a good young player or manager can adapt to a higher league. And look at the players who switched off for the goal: Tex, Bauer, Magennis, Chicksen. All perfectly capable of looking good in the Championship. I don't think our squad or our manager are the problem right now. We just need a surge of confidence and for our window signings to stop injuring themselves or incurring suspensions. And a big effort from our fans.
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We're playing Rochdale on the 18th... But they are not playing on the 21st, when we do play Oxford.Dansk_Red said:The game in hand over Millwall disappears on Saturday, we will need to win both on Tuesday and Saturday and them to lose on Tuesday (Home to Port Vale) to draw level on points (although we have a better goal difference). We have played the same number of games as Rochdale if fact after our game with Oxford on the 18th they will have a game in hand over us.
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Another 1 - 1 , we've got more Draws than Marks and Sparks.0
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You must be mistaken Sage, because it was bad luck.Sage said:There you go Roland, I'm a qualified coach and have demonstrated some knowledge, now where is my job offer..?
But seriously, I agree with your analysis, although to try and simplify matters, I think Chicksen was most at fault.
If Chicksen was more alert he would never had let the goalscorer run through unchallenged. If he'd gone alongside him, he could have done enough to block the shot/force him away from goal etc.
I have been a strong critic of Fox defensively, but I have to say our left back performances have certainly been no better and arguably worse, since he's gone.6 -
Chicksen has been quite good imo2
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I agree, but he was most at fault for the last minute equaliser.Leuth said:Chicksen has been quite good imo
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Thanks for the correction.Airman Brown said:
We're playing Rochdale on the 18th... But they are not playing on the 21st, when we do play Oxford.Dansk_Red said:The game in hand over Millwall disappears on Saturday, we will need to win both on Tuesday and Saturday and them to lose on Tuesday (Home to Port Vale) to draw level on points (although we have a better goal difference). We have played the same number of games as Rochdale if fact after our game with Oxford on the 18th they will have a game in hand over us.
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I don't think Bauer is a championship standard player, and I don't know if Magennis could be. I really like Magennis but how do we know he's capable of doing it in the championship.Leuth said:For such a respected analyst of the game I'm extremely surprised Tutt-Tutt has stooped to reductively calling some of our players 'League One players' and our manager a 'League One manager', as if there's no way a good young player or manager can adapt to a higher league. And look at the players who switched off for the goal: Tex, Bauer, Magennis, Chicksen. All perfectly capable of looking good in the Championship. I don't think our squad or our manager are the problem right now. We just need a surge of confidence and for our window signings to stop injuring themselves or incurring suspensions. And a big effort from our fans.
I think the squad isn't good enough imo. I've gone through this team time and time again, player for player and I don't see it.
We have some talented players, but if we were good enough we'd be showing it right now.
The fans are there doing their bit leuth. We're not set up as a club to go up. Players/fans/management will only bring a short term placebo effect whilst the owners remain3 -
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I know it's fascinating discussing the probable points tallies teams can reach - and assuming/hoping certain teams have a slip up . . . but it all comes down to scoring goals which win matches and - hopefully - gain a club promotion. Therein lies the rub; we just don't have a striking force to score the goals required to at least reach the play-offs. There is an outside chance that Josh and TW may strike up a prolific partnership but I wouldn't hold my breath.
The two chances that fell to Novak yesterday - especially the second one - illustrate my point. We should have run out comfortable winners but as per usual we were left with just a point. If we had converted just a few of the draws this season we would be talking about real promotion chances as opposed to scraping into the play-offs.1 -
Not quite sure why you felt the need to mention me in your post?Fanny Fanackapan said:
I wonder if Essex Al shares your view of today, @blackpool72 ...blackpool72 said:Shite performance
Shite result
Shite season
And yes i was there.
This club is dying on it's feet, until we get new owners weare destined to be a league one joke of a club
Fuck of Roland
TBH, listening to the commentary, it sounded on the whole as though we had a lot of possession, scorned a couple of very good opportunities to score and paid the price.
Although, in the 2nd half the Dons appeared to come out with a vengeance and continued in that vein for much of the 45 and we didn't do enough to deserve all 3 points.
So, what's new ?
I might not agree with most things on here, but when it comes to the team, if they are shite, I'm quite happy to say so!
I haven't made any comment because I was working yesterday and therefore couldn't make the game, but it's very interesting to see how quickly people on here are turning on KR already!1 -
Bauer played age group football for Germany up to U20 and is only 24, young for a defender. Magennis often starts for NI who are ranked 32 in the world and gets in front of Lafferty, Grigg and Washington - all Championship strikers.cabbles said:
I don't think Bauer is a championship standard player, and I don't know if Magennis could be. I really like Magennis but how do we know he's capable of doing it in the championship.Leuth said:For such a respected analyst of the game I'm extremely surprised Tutt-Tutt has stooped to reductively calling some of our players 'League One players' and our manager a 'League One manager', as if there's no way a good young player or manager can adapt to a higher league. And look at the players who switched off for the goal: Tex, Bauer, Magennis, Chicksen. All perfectly capable of looking good in the Championship. I don't think our squad or our manager are the problem right now. We just need a surge of confidence and for our window signings to stop injuring themselves or incurring suspensions. And a big effort from our fans.
I think the squad isn't good enough imo. I've gone through this team time and time again, player for player and I don't see it.
We have some talented players, but if we were good enough we'd be showing it right now.
The fans are there doing their bit leuth. We're not set up as a club to go up. Players/fans/management will only bring a short term placebo effect whilst the owners remain0 -
Almost gave you a flag for that....way out of order!clb74 said:########@######ers
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Perhaps you shouldn't slag off the manager without knowing the facts then!se9addick said:
@JamesSeed had they made that statement before I'd made my comments ? If so then I should have included it (I genuinely didn't know they had issued a statement on their groundsmans behaviour).JamesSeed said:
Aerial bombardment by Wimbledon. Wouldn't pay to watch that week in week out.J BLOCK said:Was in the home end - can't remember watching two teams that bloody bad - Christ it was Sunday league
Novak missed an open goal and failed to lob the keeper in the first half. Watt had a screamer well saved. We should have gone two up. Sorry, but Novak isn't really good enough. Josh needs another game.
@se9addick Hold on, Wimbledon have apologised and said action will be taken against the groundsman.
He brought on Botaka and Mavididi in attempt to stop an all out attack by Wimbledon. Both provided a threat, with their pace.
Watt had an excellent game, but was tiring. Not sure about Holmes. Would have left him on.
Gutted.
If what I have been told was said to KR about his wife is true then the grounds man deserved a very big slap!2 -
So his not being sent off for the elbow is a joke, but then what about his being sent off for two valid yellows is a joke?Chippycafc said:
Didnt see his goal as didnt see most things, but one thing i did see as it was parallel to me, was when he took tex out with his elbow ref bottle as usual.... They dont seem to bottle though when its our players though.AddicksAddict said:
Joke in what way?EveshamAddick said:DaSilva looks like one of those RD signings where the manager doesn't actually want him. It kind of smacks of "here you go" when we sold Lookman, but surely if Robinson wanted him he would be playing him now.
Just watched the one minute of Sky "highlights", and the sending off of Elliot is a joke decision.1 -
Wait until charlton start winning regularly, they'll hate his guts then.Essex_Al said:
Not quite sure why you felt the need to mention me in your post?Fanny Fanackapan said:
I wonder if Essex Al shares your view of today, @blackpool72 ...blackpool72 said:Shite performance
Shite result
Shite season
And yes i was there.
This club is dying on it's feet, until we get new owners weare destined to be a league one joke of a club
Fuck of Roland
TBH, listening to the commentary, it sounded on the whole as though we had a lot of possession, scorned a couple of very good opportunities to score and paid the price.
Although, in the 2nd half the Dons appeared to come out with a vengeance and continued in that vein for much of the 45 and we didn't do enough to deserve all 3 points.
So, what's new ?
I might not agree with most things on here, but when it comes to the team, if they are shite, I'm quite happy to say so!
I haven't made any comment because I was working yesterday and therefore couldn't make the game, but it's very interesting to see how quickly people on here are turning on KR already!1 -
Highlight of the day for me yesterday.
Gave elfsborg £20 to get 3 pints.
5 mins later came back with me change £3 me and fella sitting next to me how's it come to £17.
Elfs said "see the bloke over there , flown over from Switzerland to watch the game so you had to buy him a pint"
Your a funny f@cker elfs0 -
But he also got me a large scotch.clb74 said:Highlight of the day for me yesterday.
Gave elfsborg £20 to get 3 pints.
5 mins later came back with me change £3 me and fella sitting next to me how's it come to £17.
Elfs said "see the bloke over there , flown over from Switzerland to watch the game so you had to buy him a pint"
Your a funny f@cker elfs
I and thanks elfs0 -
Kids half term this week.
Get Chelsea to drop the money up tomorrow if you want0
