Holmes was superb in trying to make things happen. didn't always work but I would much rather have a player with ability who doesn't hide rather one that is happy to reflect in his own glory even though, in reality, he has contributed sfa.
Tex looked back to his best, Konsa looked beyond his years and will be gone come the summer for £10m to pay for our £100K investment in players, Chicksen looked assured, Jacko is Jacko without the legs any more but did an excellent job especially in the first half and both Ullvestad and Aribo had their moments but ran out of steam.
What became extremely evident from watching Robinson at close hand was that the players really didn't know what was expected of them in the diamond - the constant interaction with Magennis was evidence of that. Robinson himself was having to seek assurances from Barker and O'Loughlin, almost by way of explaining to them what the players should be doing in the system.
The guy wears his heart on his sleeve but one minute displays blind panic in his decision making and then doesn't react quickly enough to his mistakes e.g. the Croft substitution followed by the announcement a good while later that "we were going to have to change from the diamond". And to proclaim as he did that one particular player is "one lazy fxxxxx" really should be kept for the dressing room - if you're not prepared to name and shame in post match interviews you really shouldn't be shouting it to the Gods in full view of the spectators.
Interesting, thanks for sharing. I said before the match that I expected the players to be somewhat unfamiliar with the diamond, given they'll have only had a day or two to work on it. But it sounded like it did a good job of stiffing a team that played 4-4-2, something we've really struggled with this season. And if gives Aribo and ulvestad, two players with a fair amount of energy who are good on the ball, some freedom, while also allowing the Skipper to play with two mobile midfielders in front of him. Unfortunately, given Magennis went down injured, unless KR is ready to play Watt (or even KAG) from the start, I suspect we'll have to revert to one up front again.
terrific win (at last) albeit against a team woefully out of form .. let's hope this is the start of a decent run to restore some pride and hope in players and fans alike
Quote from Henry Irving ''Watt got booked for getting out a picture of Bobby Sands and burning a union Jack after the goal.''
Could you please explain the above comment to a poor old sod like me. Also not you Henry but only on a Charlton life website could Tony Watt be slagged off for scoring a penalty. Unbelievable idiots on here!
Holmes to be fair was very busy at Northampton, it didn't always come off but he was always trying things, and gave 100% that game as well.
We need Jacko to be a specialist set piece sub, has anyone scored so many goals from corners as he has? He has an extraordinary knack of being in the right place to meet the ball in the box
The first penalty shout was an absolute stone waller. The one that was actually awarded looks a bit softer and was somewhat bought by Tex. Maybe the ref was swayed into awarding by making up for his previous error.
Rudd very unlucky with the goal and in his efforts to clear it he actually takes out a Charlton player who probably would have cleared it otherwise.
Not a bad finish from the skip with his swinger. Looks like he slips as he goes for it too so a little bit of luck there.
Still found time to hit the woodwork and lose a player to injury but at least no sending off so I guess that is progress.
Quote from Henry Irving ''Watt got booked for getting out a picture of Bobby Sands and burning a union Jack after the goal.''
Could you please explain the above comment to a poor old sod like me. Also not you Henry but only on a Charlton life website could Tony Watt be slagged off for scoring a penalty. Unbelievable idiots on here!
Quote from Henry Irving ''Watt got booked for getting out a picture of Bobby Sands and burning a union Jack after the goal.''
Could you please explain the above comment to a poor old sod like me. Also not you Henry but only on a Charlton life website could Tony Watt be slagged off for scoring a penalty. Unbelievable idiots on here!
Ok,
Haven't read anyone slagging off Watt for scoring a penalty. Read a few saying he didn't do much else and plenty saying he showed balls to step up and took it well. One shallow and all that.
So the "idiots" remark is well wide of the mark.
As for Bobby Sands you need to read the Tony Watt thread. It was a JOKE referencing the theory, that I disagree with, that Watt and Magennis had fallen out over sectarian/religious issues.
Glad we finally won a game and that the all round performance was better: a descent into the abyss of L2 would be hard for anyone to pull round, never mind the clowns actually in charge.
However, in the light of the vindictive, spiteful approach of Meire towards @Fanny Fanackapan and the POTY, and the cancerous state of the SMT's direction, it's very hard to muster any more enthusiasm than that.
Win, lose or draw, I can't be bothered to listen to Gobshite anymore either.
Karl Robinson is a clueless scouse prick, how the hell can you play Crofts left midfield, if Josh has to go off put on Ahearne Grant if you don't fancy Watt, completely fucked the team up with 1 sub, Watts celebration smacked of fuck you Robinson. Konsa was outstanding, Holmes caused them problems when in midfield and Novak put a shift in, Ulvestad makes a difference as well.
First half we looked ok. Holmes ran his socks off in midfield which made it all the more baffling why KR decided to push him up top when Mcginnis went off injured.
Not digging you out at all, but I swear Holmes was playing through the middle lots this game even in the first half.
Looks like Holmes had a free role but he was definitely doing a lot of midfield work that we lost went he went up top
Indeed, being the first Charlton game I've seen in a while was just surprised to see Holmes being the person furthest up the pitch and in the centre.
Not as surprised as Holmes and the rest of the team.
I think Robinson did his best to lose a game that we had controlled for 60 mins and was leading 1-0.
As most people have said it was beyond bizarre in that situation, that you would change a 100% successful formation by replacing the injured Magennis, with Crofts and then sticking him left midfield. Holmes who was chasing down everything in midfield & was the best player on the pitch, then got sidelined, by being put at centre forward. Why not stick Novak at CF, if your chosen sub was Crofts ?
He should have brought on Watt, or Ahearne Grant if he's had enough of Watt.
I said immediately how ridiculous it was and it immediately turned the game on it's head.
Even poorer was the fact that he didn't change things immediately. Everyone else could see it was a mistake & we looked like conceding from the off. Why didn't KR change it ? Fuckwittery of the highest order.
I'm pleased for the team, because they played very well and gave 100% committment for 60 mins, until KR intefered.
Watt finally coming on re-addressed the balance somewhat.
PS Watt jumping into the crowd to celebrate his penalty winner, had a "look at me" feel about it and seemed somewhat false IYKWIM. Unlike when Jacko did similar a few seasons back.
Quote from Henry Irving ''Watt got booked for getting out a picture of Bobby Sands and burning a union Jack after the goal.''
Could you please explain the above comment to a poor old sod like me. Also not you Henry but only on a Charlton life website could Tony Watt be slagged off for scoring a penalty. Unbelievable idiots on here!
Ok,
Haven't read anyone slagging off Watt for scoring a penalty. Read a few saying he didn't do much else and plenty saying he showed balls to step up and took it well. One shallow and all that.
So the "idiots" remark is well wide of the mark.
As for Bobby Sands you need to read the Tony Watt thread. It was a JOKE referencing the theory, that I disagree with, that Watt and Magennis had fallen out over sectarian/religious issues.
I thought the first half was better than anything we've served up for some time, with plenty of attacking intent, organisation, shape and a determination to win the ball back once we'd lost it. Jacko and Ricky Holmes led by example and practically every player seemed to raise their game, application and level of commitment.
Jacko scored a cracking volley, following good movement from a corner, and you could see how much it meant to him after the team's dismal run. He may be in the penultimate month of his professional football career but he played like a man who is determined to make the most of every minute he has left. Tex hit the bar with a very skilful shot and we generally dominated against a very out-of-form Scunthorpe side. Practically all their attacks peetered out as a result of overhit passes or one or more of their forwards being caught offside.
The balance of the game totally shifted in the second half with Magennis' injury and the introduction of Crofts from the bench. I appreciate that Robinson is not spoilt for choice with Watt and Aherne-Grant on the bench and that eight games without a win discourages an expansive approach but Crofts is no left-sided midfielder and the change left us impotent up front. The shape of the team seemed to disintegrate, as we offered no attacking threat and dropped deeper and deeper as the game went on, often with six players strung out along our 18 yard line. We also started to look very leggy. Scunthorpe made some attacking changes themselves and totally dominated the midfield, mounting wave after wave of attack. They should have equalised before they did - from what looked like an error from Rudd - especially when their striker contrived to hit the post when it was far easier to score. After that, there looked to be only one winner, although - to immense joy and relief - we won a penalty out of the blue and Watt converted it.
I thought we were fortunate in the end but maybe we were due a bit of luck after all our travails and the win will hopefully get the monkey off the team's back and inspire a bit of confidence. There was a marked improvement from most of the players - notably, Ulvestad and Tex - and I thought that Holmes, Konsa and Jacko did particularly well.
I thought that it was by far the smallest attendance of the season and there really cannot have been more than 5,000 in the ground.
Blucher, I agree with every word, as I usually do.
First half we looked ok. Holmes ran his socks off in midfield which made it all the more baffling why KR decided to push him up top when Mcginnis went off injured.
Not digging you out at all, but I swear Holmes was playing through the middle lots this game even in the first half.
Looks like Holmes had a free role but he was definitely doing a lot of midfield work that we lost went he went up top
Indeed, being the first Charlton game I've seen in a while was just surprised to see Holmes being the person furthest up the pitch and in the centre.
Not as surprised as Holmes and the rest of the team.
I think Robinson did his best to lose a game that we had controlled for 60 mins and was leading 1-0.
As most people have said it was beyond bizarre in that situation, that you would change a 100% successful formation by replacing the injured Magennis, with Crofts and then sticking him left midfield. Holmes who was chasing down everything in midfield & was the best player on the pitch, then got sidelined, by being put at centre forward. Why not stick Novak at CF, if your chosen sub was Crofts ?
He should have brought on Watt, or Ahearne Grant if he's had enough of Watt.
I said immediately how ridiculous it was and it immediately turned the game on it's head.
Even poorer was the fact that he didn't change things immediately. Everyone else could see it was a mistake & we looked like conceding from the off. Why didn't KR change it ? Fuckwittery of the highest order.
I'm pleased for the team, because they played very well and gave 100% committment for 60 mins, until KR intefered.
Watt finally coming on re-addressed the balance somewhat.
PS Watt jumping into the crowd to celebrate his penalty winner, had a "look at me" feel about it and seemed somewhat false IYKWIM. Unlike when Jacko did similar a few seasons back.
I get the impression that he trusts KAG as much as he trusts Watt. With Mag injured we really are in the "land of the blind" and so, in Robinson's mind, Novak is King and Holmes is Prince with no other heirs to the throne.
''He scored a pen. Last time we were getting excited because he kept the ball in the corner. Fast forward a year and we will be celebrating what a great throw in he took. Fatso gets another lease of life.''
Henry is this not slagging him off. The quote is from Masicat!
Completely forgot we were playing but I read through the match thread this morning. At 1-1 I had that feeling of déjà vu but thank the EU for Tex earning the penalty, and I'm pleased for TWWW finally getting back on the score sheet. Fingers crossed Roland sells and I can start going back to the The Valley to enjoy such a win in person.
This is the most relaxed and understandable I've heard Robinson.
I now suspect that KR is one of those blokes that gives it large, to actually disguise, that they are quite a nervous character deep down, when they come across as very confident.
- If it's true that Slade wanted Dawson and Drieson said 'no'. Yesterday should have proved even more so that he doesn't have a clue.
Dawson was their best player in the 3-1 Although I think he broke Ricky Holmes foot. Keep saying this, he's exactly the sort we need to bloster the midfield. And he's a leader. Getting on a bit though.
Surprisingly I agree 100% with you. Don't know how old he is now, but if he has a couple of seasons left in him, get him in, make him captain and build the team around him to get us up.
Best player on the pitch by a country mile last night!
A few random thoughts on last night. First impression is very, very happy - I really thought on saturday I was losing interest in the club as I came away numb, apart from the anger at the few WUM's who still seem to think it's in any way plausible to blame the protests (if you can remember one) for our current plight. I was trying to get my daughters to sleep when the penalty went in, and woke them up by waving my arms about silently, but it was worth it to have a small celebration. Last night possibly saved KRs job but while he doesn't convince me at all he has a clue, Ihonestly I don't want another relegation, These morons are not capable of rebuilding anywhere, and while I have sadly come to the conclusión Gobinson is incompetent, any replacement we get in now will be equally dire, and I would loathe to throw the untried Jackson into the managers role under the current circumstances and these cretins in charge. As for Tony Watt, he just broke a long non-scoring streak, so the celebrations were understandable. Besides, there are a lot of unfounded accusations flying around the club about him. Possibly it says more about the club than the player, particularly given it seems the stuff Robinson was spouting after the Shrewsbury disaster was Tex rather than Watt. I'm expecting another massive clear out this summer followed by the usual half-job of rebuilding. It's what KM and RD do. But in the mean time, I'm going to enjoy a rare win - it would be nice if we could reward the few fans who can still be bothered to turn up with a bit of football between now and the end of the season, even if it means we have to put up with the apologists yelling 'told you so'.
Do you still live in Spain, or have you returned to England ? Feel free to tell me to mind my own business.
Quote from Henry Irving ''Watt got booked for getting out a picture of Bobby Sands and burning a union Jack after the goal.''
Could you please explain the above comment to a poor old sod like me. Also not you Henry but only on a Charlton life website could Tony Watt be slagged off for scoring a penalty. Unbelievable idiots on here!
Henry was being sarcastic.
He isn't being slagged off for scoring a penalty. It's for his OTT celebration when, like most of them, he's been shite for weeks and has just scored a last min pen to beat those Giants Scunthorpe ffs.
Quote from Henry Irving ''Watt got booked for getting out a picture of Bobby Sands and burning a union Jack after the goal.''
Could you please explain the above comment to a poor old sod like me. Also not you Henry but only on a Charlton life website could Tony Watt be slagged off for scoring a penalty. Unbelievable idiots on here!
Henry was being sarcastic.
He isn't being slagged off for scoring a penalty. It's for his OTT celebration when, like most of them, he's been shite for weeks and has just scored a last min pen to beat those Giants Scunthorpe ffs.
A last minute penalty, nobody else stepped up immediately to take it, the team hasn't won for weeks, he hasn't scored for weeks...no pressure there then
@Covered End . Yes. Still living in exile. I'll be back for work for a week in november, and already looking forward to a trip to the valley. Living away foes funny things to your head ;-)
Wasn't their last nite, so posting with pour speling.
Good to here Konsa geting creddit four his takling, cos i fought that was his weekness, and area where he neaded to improove. And Aribo sounded better after his wrest.
Now there's a surprise!
Why is that a surprise? I'm a season ticket holder and I go to all the games I can make. I was on shift yesterday so couldn't go. No need for the needling.
Quote from Henry Irving ''Watt got booked for getting out a picture of Bobby Sands and burning a union Jack after the goal.''
Could you please explain the above comment to a poor old sod like me. Also not you Henry but only on a Charlton life website could Tony Watt be slagged off for scoring a penalty. Unbelievable idiots on here!
Henry was being sarcastic.
He isn't being slagged off for scoring a penalty. It's for his OTT celebration when, like most of them, he's been shite for weeks and has just scored a last min pen to beat those Giants Scunthorpe ffs.
A last minute penalty, nobody else stepped up immediately to take it, the team hasn't won for weeks, he hasn't scored for weeks...no pressure there then
Yes pressure and yes well done for tucking it away. Don't mean you have to celebrate like you've scored the winner in a major final. I'd be a lot more tolerant of it all had we not witnessed the dire performances we have had to endure recently and the club wasn't a basket case.
I am sure Magennis was injured. I also thought Crofts was brought on at the time to prepare for when a fading Jacko would have to come off, but he survived the game, which allowed for two attacking players to be brought on late on. Robinson's substitutions suggested to me a manager who wanted to win the game. It was (to me) much more about the positive effect of the Scunthorpe substitutions than any negative effect of ours.
Bang on, imo. Hopper changed the focus of their attacks for them completely.
I think the two of us are in the minority here, which is fair enough, but Crofts coming on happening within minutes of Hopper coming on, and I think it was the latter that had MUCH more of an effect.
Magennis was injured but I thought Crofts sub a tactical disaster. Pure Russell Slade cling on and then inept rearrangement of the troops. Scunthorpe bench couldn't believe it and immediately brought Hopper on and mayhem ensued. Robinson does not convince me as a tactical manager at all and with his contradictory bullshit in pre and post match interviews he's the perfect figurehead and apologist for the Belgian failure. However I do think his enthusiasm could be infectious and, dare I say it, there's something likeable about him. If our fortunes pick up and he rebuilds properly he might be able to take us on that charge upwards. Of course he won't get the chance.
I know I am suspicious but KR said he played old videos of our games to the squad before the game. He mentioned one where JJ scored and slid on his knees (we all remember that), plus the game where JJ scored and jumped into the crowd, exactly where Watt did. Was Watt trying to curry favour in copying JJ?
Quote from Henry Irving ''Watt got booked for getting out a picture of Bobby Sands and burning a union Jack after the goal.''
Could you please explain the above comment to a poor old sod like me. Also not you Henry but only on a Charlton life website could Tony Watt be slagged off for scoring a penalty. Unbelievable idiots on here!
Henry was being sarcastic.
He isn't being slagged off for scoring a penalty. It's for his OTT celebration when, like most of them, he's been shite for weeks and has just scored a last min pen to beat those Giants Scunthorpe ffs.
A last minute penalty, nobody else stepped up immediately to take it, the team hasn't won for weeks, he hasn't scored for weeks...no pressure there then
Yes pressure and yes well done for tucking it away. Don't mean you have to celebrate like you've scored the winner in a major final. I'd be a lot more tolerant of it all had we not witnessed the dire performances we have had to endure recently and the club wasn't a basket case.
It's called 'passion', not something we've all been familiar with of late but obviously some people associated with the club still have it
Quote from Henry Irving ''Watt got booked for getting out a picture of Bobby Sands and burning a union Jack after the goal.''
Could you please explain the above comment to a poor old sod like me. Also not you Henry but only on a Charlton life website could Tony Watt be slagged off for scoring a penalty. Unbelievable idiots on here!
Henry was being sarcastic.
He isn't being slagged off for scoring a penalty. It's for his OTT celebration when, like most of them, he's been shite for weeks and has just scored a last min pen to beat those Giants Scunthorpe ffs.
A last minute penalty, nobody else stepped up immediately to take it, the team hasn't won for weeks, he hasn't scored for weeks...no pressure there then
Yes pressure and yes well done for tucking it away. Don't mean you have to celebrate like you've scored the winner in a major final. I'd be a lot more tolerant of it all had we not witnessed the dire performances we have had to endure recently and the club wasn't a basket case.
It's called 'passion', not something we've all been familiar with of late but obviously some people associated with the club still have it
You do know that that's heavy rain in Ballymena...
I'm a bit of an old cynic, but the way that I'd like to see Watt (and all the players) demonstrate passion is to put a feckin' shift in, and not amble around while being outplayed teams with infinitely fewer resources, staffed by players who would be happy to call themselves journeymen. The post penalty demonstration is easy, and could just as easily be a calculated attempt to make the player appear to be passionate - if he played with the effort of Jackson, I might not fear that this was the case.
I know I am suspicious but KR said he played old videos of our games to the squad before the game. He mentioned one where JJ scored and slid on his knees (we all remember that), plus the game where JJ scored and jumped into the crowd, exactly where Watt did. Was Watt trying to cover favour in copying JJ?
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''Watt got booked for getting out a picture of Bobby Sands and burning a union Jack after the goal.''
Could you please explain the above comment to a poor old sod like me.
Also not you Henry but only on a Charlton life website could
Tony Watt be slagged off for scoring a penalty.
Unbelievable idiots on here!
We need Jacko to be a specialist set piece sub, has anyone scored so many goals from corners as he has? He has an extraordinary knack of being in the right place to meet the ball in the box
Rudd very unlucky with the goal and in his efforts to clear it he actually takes out a Charlton player who probably would have cleared it otherwise.
Not a bad finish from the skip with his swinger. Looks like he slips as he goes for it too so a little bit of luck there.
Still found time to hit the woodwork and lose a player to injury but at least no sending off so I guess that is progress.
Really pleased to hear us win again at last.
Haven't read anyone slagging off Watt for scoring a penalty. Read a few saying he didn't do much else and plenty saying he showed balls to step up and took it well. One shallow and all that.
So the "idiots" remark is well wide of the mark.
As for Bobby Sands you need to read the Tony Watt thread. It was a JOKE referencing the theory, that I disagree with, that Watt and Magennis had fallen out over sectarian/religious issues.
They were clearly devoid of confidence after the goal but the efforts got the rewards in the end.
Admittedly Tarbucks substitutions baffled
However, in the light of the vindictive, spiteful approach of Meire towards @Fanny Fanackapan and the POTY, and the cancerous state of the SMT's direction, it's very hard to muster any more enthusiasm than that.
Win, lose or draw, I can't be bothered to listen to Gobshite anymore either.
I think Robinson did his best to lose a game that we had controlled for 60 mins and was leading 1-0.
As most people have said it was beyond bizarre in that situation, that you would change a 100% successful formation by replacing the injured Magennis, with Crofts and then sticking him left midfield. Holmes who was chasing down everything in midfield & was the best player on the pitch, then got sidelined, by being put at centre forward. Why not stick Novak at CF, if your chosen sub was Crofts ?
He should have brought on Watt, or Ahearne Grant if he's had enough of Watt.
I said immediately how ridiculous it was and it immediately turned the game on it's head.
Even poorer was the fact that he didn't change things immediately. Everyone else could see it was a mistake & we looked like conceding from the off. Why didn't KR change it ? Fuckwittery of the highest order.
I'm pleased for the team, because they played very well and gave 100% committment for 60 mins, until KR intefered.
Watt finally coming on re-addressed the balance somewhat.
PS Watt jumping into the crowd to celebrate his penalty winner, had a "look at me" feel about it and seemed somewhat false IYKWIM. Unlike when Jacko did similar a few seasons back.
Fast forward a year and we will be celebrating what a great throw in he took. Fatso gets another lease of life.''
Henry is this not slagging him off. The quote is from Masicat!
#RolandOut #KatrienIsAUselessNumpty
I now suspect that KR is one of those blokes that gives it large, to actually disguise, that they are quite a nervous character deep down, when they come across as very confident.
I know a lot of people like this.
He isn't being slagged off for scoring a penalty. It's for his OTT celebration when, like most of them, he's been shite for weeks and has just scored a last min pen to beat those Giants Scunthorpe ffs.
I'm a bit of an old cynic, but the way that I'd like to see Watt (and all the players) demonstrate passion is to put a feckin' shift in, and not amble around while being outplayed teams with infinitely fewer resources, staffed by players who would be happy to call themselves journeymen. The post penalty demonstration is easy, and could just as easily be a calculated attempt to make the player appear to be passionate - if he played with the effort of Jackson, I might not fear that this was the case.