The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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I led withCovered End said:A nice piece of info for the fans forum .
I'd be questioning the narrative that "the price is agreed".
Clarification please, do you mean that the basic price has been agreed but RD will not sell, until the buyer agrees to further conditional payments on top of the "agreed basic price".
Specifically, have the fans have been wilfully misled once again ?
Once again if true, I would assert that RD is not being vindictive towards the fans.
It is all about him attempting to get all his money back.
“We’ve been told it’s not about price and that it’s been agreed “
He replied
“It’s all about the price, but in football it’s about how the price is paid “
I said “for example?? Sell on fees??”
He said “yes,” and mentioned Gomez then Lookman and how he scouted him for Everton
I said “I’m surprised Katrien managed to negotiate sell on fees”
He laughed and agreed that although very intelligent and nice, she was way out of her depth, thrust into a role she had no experience in. He made reference to differences between corporate and company law. He even started to say something negative about her st Sheffield Wednesday but stopped himself and backtracked a little
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Perhaps the Aussies should agree to his demands as long as he agrees to pay for the completion of Sparrows Lane ?
It would be only fair as the sale proceeds of Lookman was to pay for the SL improvements.
We know that is fact because the club told us.
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There's always two sides to a story but according to the latest revelations, there are no other bidders and the pendulum of blame for the delay has swung firmly back towards the rat. Now why does that not surprise me
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I am pretty sure sell on fees, like in this example, don't constitute 3rd party ownership, as defined. Mainly because RD would have no control over any further transfer, or lack of. Didn't Leeds United and later spurs raise money to by players from 3td party finance companies, who were due a % of future sales?1
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Orville was a bit of a giveaway....Fanny Fanackapan said:
Wow, @Taxi_Lad ! A scoop indeed !Taxi_Lad said:Wow!!!!!!! Never been itk til now !! Just had a 15 min conversation with Keith Harris in my cab.
As open as he could be. Main points were;
RD very difficult man to deal with. Obstinate and refusing to put any more money in
Price agreed but structure of payment (Gomez / Lookman sell ons etc)
Aussies still include Andrew Muir as main consortium member
Aussies will be good for us if they can get it over the line
No other bidders as far as he’s aware
LdT is a nice guy but is RDs man and is working on his behalf hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness
(dont shoot the messenger) he said it’s very close. He even hinted at the dreaded “2 weeks”
Aussies not worried about timing of purchase I.e. they wouldn’t wait til end of season just cos transfer window closed
Everything seems in line with as per @JamesSeed has reported. He now tops my itk list of credibility
How quickly did you realise it was Keith Harris ?
Feeling pretty down at the moment so this has raised my spirits considerably.
Relating the post to Mr F and unsure how to describe who KH is/his place in this process....
Any help gratefully received.
BTW. Should you pick up Michael Buble, PLEASE lock the doors until I can get there....:-)3 -
We used a 3rd party finance company in the Darren Bent sale.Cafc43v3r said:I am pretty sure sell on fees, like in this example, don't constitute 3rd party ownership, as defined. Mainly because RD would have no control over any further transfer, or lack of. Didn't Leeds United and later spurs raise money to by players from 3td party finance companies, who were due a % of future sales?
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We needed to raise finance to sell Darren Bent ?Ferryman said:
We used a 3rd party finance company in the Darren Bent sale.Cafc43v3r said:I am pretty sure sell on fees, like in this example, don't constitute 3rd party ownership, as defined. Mainly because RD would have no control over any further transfer, or lack of. Didn't Leeds United and later spurs raise money to by players from 3td party finance companies, who were due a % of future sales?
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No, where money was due in installments or clauses, we sold it to another firm for less than overall value but got money upfront.Covered End said:
We needed to raise finance to sell Darren Bent ?Ferryman said:
We used a 3rd party finance company in the Darren Bent sale.Cafc43v3r said:I am pretty sure sell on fees, like in this example, don't constitute 3rd party ownership, as defined. Mainly because RD would have no control over any further transfer, or lack of. Didn't Leeds United and later spurs raise money to by players from 3td party finance companies, who were due a % of future sales?
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Well a least it gives us a hint of chink of light at the end of the tunnel.0
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Not quite.RedChaser said:There's always two sides to a story but according to the latest revelations, there are no other bidders and the pendulum of blame for the delay has swung firmly back towards the rat. Now why does that not surprise me
According to Taxi_Lad he said "No other bidders as far as he’s aware" - although you might expect someone as well connected as Harris acting as a broker for a bidder would be 'aware' of other bidders?1 -
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Good news and bad news really. Good news that Taxi_Lad got the info from a very good source and its perhaps positive but bad news that there are no other bidders which to be honest fits in with the complete lack of any rumours.3
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Big question: Was he a Spurs season-ticket holder and have you now convinced him to come and watch Premier League stars of the future?Taxi_Lad said:Wow!!!!!!! Never been itk til now !! Just had a 15 min conversation with Keith Harris in my cab.
As open as he could be. Main points were;
RD very difficult man to deal with. Obstinate and refusing to put any more money in
Price agreed but structure of payment (Gomez / Lookman sell ons etc)
Aussies still include Andrew Muir as main consortium member
Aussies will be good for us if they can get it over the line
No other bidders as far as he’s aware
LdT is a nice guy but is RDs man and is working on his behalf hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness
(dont shoot the messenger) he said it’s very close. He even hinted at the dreaded “2 weeks”
Aussies not worried about timing of purchase I.e. they wouldn’t wait til end of season just cos transfer window closed
Everything seems in line with as per @JamesSeed has reported. He now tops my itk list of credibility3 -
This brings me back to the suggestion I made on the protest thread. At the next ff might it be worth asking LDT "we appricate that you can not discuss the details of any of the" bids" due to NDAs, would you be prepared to allow an independent 3rd party, under an NDA, to confirm the existence of such NDAs?". Refusal would in its self be an admition of them not existing, at least not in the manor he keeps repeating.1
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It's what he's done with Batshuayi and Standard. http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/84554/summer-pay-day-for-duchatelet-from-palaceHenry Irving said:Thanks for sharing @Taxi_Lad
Interesting that I was guessing Harris was involved and seems he is.
So maybe sticking point is sell on fees. Greedy bastard Roland, you've sold them once but want more.
Of course, Harris will tell it from his point of view so isn't unbiased but if nothing else should be good for another 20 pages.
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My take on that was he was quite dismissive of the idea when I mentioned possibly a British group and a European groupmicks1950 said:
Not quite.RedChaser said:There's always two sides to a story but according to the latest revelations, there are no other bidders and the pendulum of blame for the delay has swung firmly back towards the rat. Now why does that not surprise me
According to Taxi_Lad he said "No other bidders as far as he’s aware" - although you might expect someone as well connected as Harris acting as a broker for a bidder would be 'aware' of other bidders?2 -
They would be mental to buy the club now with the window closed, we don't look good enough to go up and they would just be financing losses until May. I guess they would have a chance to come in and sign up the players out of contract.
That's the most important thing for me now, making sure we have a squad capable of competing next season, whichever division we are in.2 - Sponsored links:
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Rather they just got in at the moment but for all we know, they might have been pushing for a Jan sale but RD being RD has scuppered that.cafcfan1990 said:They would be mental to buy the club now with the window closed, we don't look good enough to go up and they would just be financing losses until May. I guess they would have a chance to come in and sign up the players out of contract.
That's the most important thing for me now, making sure we have a squad capable of competing next season, whichever division we are in.
Its positive though and if its a case that they come in and look at next season, wherever we are...Ill take that to see him gone and enjoy going to a busier Valley.
He just needs to go.0 -
A bit more about Harris here when he was involved with Everton: http://www.evertonfc.com/content/club/board-of-directors/dr-keith-harris-profile
Wasn't he also Chairman at Bristol Rovers a while back?0 -
Remember Bowyer inherited Robinson's squad last season and took us into the playoffs.cafcfan1990 said:They would be mental to buy the club now with the window closed, we don't look good enough to go up and they would just be financing losses until May. I guess they would have a chance to come in and sign up the players out of contract.
That's the most important thing for me now, making sure we have a squad capable of competing next season, whichever division we are in.
If the Aussies complete the deal now, they could help provide the stability the club needs to kick on next year whatever league we're in.
Thanks for sharing your update @Taxi_Lad7 -
And all the time our idiot owner is out of pocket to the tune of roughly half a million per month! Surely this outweighs any sell on bonuses?!2
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Ah absolutely and the contract situation is one to be fearful of. New owners coming in and addressing that can only be a good thing.king addick said:
Rather they just got in at the moment but for all we know, they might have been pushing for a Jan sale but RD being RD has scuppered that.cafcfan1990 said:They would be mental to buy the club now with the window closed, we don't look good enough to go up and they would just be financing losses until May. I guess they would have a chance to come in and sign up the players out of contract.
That's the most important thing for me now, making sure we have a squad capable of competing next season, whichever division we are in.
Its positive though and if its a case that they come in and look at next season, wherever we are...Ill take that to see him gone and enjoy going to a busier Valley.
He just needs to go.
Just personally wouldn't want to buy the club now and finance the losses until the end of the season.2 -
Has Roland’s stubborn nature surpassed any rational thought that he previously held? He named his price and he’s sticking to it. Better to lose more money than admit he was wrong, again.1
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PS @admin I reckon this Keith Harris update is worth a topic title change.3
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True, maybe something like 'Not so Fake Taxi'Callumcafc said:PS @admin I reckon this Keith Harris update is worth a topic title change.
You'd certainly pull in some confused Goolgers.7 -
I think this recent news perfectly demonstrates the value of the London Taxi service. Knowledgeable drivers who recognise customers and can engage in appropriate conversation. Can you imagine an Uber driver doing the same?23
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Aha my suspicions confirmed, there's no such thing as an NDA to a cab driver ... fortunately,5
