Wow!!!!!!! Never been itk til now !! Just had a 15 min conversation with Keith Harris in my cab. As open as he could be. Main points were;
RD very difficult man to deal with. Obstinate and refusing to put any more money in
Price agreed but structure of payment (Gomez / Lookman sell ons etc)
Aussies still include Andrew Muir as main consortium member
Aussies will be good for us if they can get it over the line
No other bidders as far as he’s aware
LdT is a nice guy but is RDs man and is working on his behalf hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness
(dont shoot the messenger) he said it’s very close. He even hinted at the dreaded “2 weeks”
Aussies not worried about timing of purchase I.e. they wouldn’t wait til end of season just cos transfer window closed
Everything seems in line with as per @JamesSeed has reported. He now tops my itk list of credibility
So its definitely aint RedBull then ????
did he mention my survey??
You could probably get away with a survey now as the flags have been removed. A bit boring though.
I am pretty sure sell on fees, like in this example, don't constitute 3rd party ownership, as defined. Mainly because RD would have no control over any further transfer, or lack of. Didn't Leeds United and later spurs raise money to by players from 3td party finance companies, who were due a % of future sales?
We used a 3rd party finance company in the Darren Bent sale.
However, if he is willing to lose, let's call it £6M pa, then logic might suggest the sell on deals, plus whatever else he wants, is worth more than £6M to him ?
Maybe that's his view?
For example (all numbers made up), if Gomez was worth £30m last season, prior to the world cup, and presuming we have a 10% sell on fee (over and above the £3.5m that Liverpool paid), then that was worth around £3m to RD. But if he's now worth £50m, that shows a £2m increase in his book value to RD. If his apparent value increases next year by another £20m (and if van Dijk is worth that much, then why not!), then that is £2m each year on his value to RD. (He may or may not ever be sold, and values can of course go down as well as up!)
But if we use the same formula for Lookman, that could be worth £1m-£2m a year, and maybe with Gudmundsson, Pope, etc added in then RD could easily say that his "assets" are increasing in value what he is losing at CAFC (c£6m per season).
How he realises those assets, if ever, is another matter.
So if RD & The Aussies won't sufficiently budge on what they will agree on, the stand off will continue.
Presumably, The Aussies are banking on RD reducing his demands on the basis of his continuing losses.
I reckon they are bleeding him out.
If the scenario is that RD thinks he is entitled to all the sell-on clauses in the player sales under his stewardship, I could understand the issue. As there is no guarantee if or when add-ons pay. Its the annualised value of these add-ons (which is difficult to establish as there is no guarantee) v the annualised losses that would form a book value and this maybe the reason that he was trying so hard to reduce costs wherever he could. The Aussies may well be letting him realise his losses whist he holds out for potential future payments from the sales of Gomez, Lookman etc.
However, if he is willing to lose, let's call it £6M pa, then logic might suggest the sell on deals, plus whatever else he wants, is worth more than £6M to him ?
Maybe that's his view?
For example (all numbers made up), if Gomez was worth £30m last season, prior to the world cup, and presuming we have a 10% sell on fee (over and above the £3.5m that Liverpool paid), then that was worth around £3m to RD. But if he's now worth £50m, that shows a £2m increase in his book value to RD. If his apparent value increases next year by another £20m (and if van Dijk is worth that much, then why not!), then that is £2m each year on his value to RD. (He may or may not ever be sold, and values can of course go down as well as up!)
But if we use the same formula for Lookman, that could be worth £1m-£2m a year, and maybe with Gudmundsson, Pope, etc added in then RD could easily say that his "assets" are increasing in value what he is losing at CAFC (c£6m per season).
How he realises those assets, if ever, is another matter.
He could do what we have apparently done before.....approach the current owning club and offer to accept a lower payment now in exchange for wiping out any possible future valued payment on initially agreed terms
However, if he is willing to lose, let's call it £6M pa, then logic might suggest the sell on deals, plus whatever else he wants, is worth more than £6M to him ?
Maybe that's his view?
For example (all numbers made up), if Gomez was worth £30m last season, prior to the world cup, and presuming we have a 10% sell on fee (over and above the £3.5m that Liverpool paid), then that was worth around £3m to RD. But if he's now worth £50m, that shows a £2m increase in his book value to RD. If his apparent value increases next year by another £20m (and if van Dijk is worth that much, then why not!), then that is £2m each year on his value to RD. (He may or may not ever be sold, and values can of course go down as well as up!)
But if we use the same formula for Lookman, that could be worth £1m-£2m a year, and maybe with Gudmundsson, Pope, etc added in then RD could easily say that his "assets" are increasing in value what he is losing at CAFC (c£6m per season).
How he realises those assets, if ever, is another matter.
He could do what we have apparently done before.....approach the current owning club and offer to accept a lower payment now in exchange for wiping out any possible future valued payment on initially agreed terms
and they could say we'll pay you nothing as we do not intend to sell the palyer
However, if he is willing to lose, let's call it £6M pa, then logic might suggest the sell on deals, plus whatever else he wants, is worth more than £6M to him ?
Maybe that's his view?
For example (all numbers made up), if Gomez was worth £30m last season, prior to the world cup, and presuming we have a 10% sell on fee (over and above the £3.5m that Liverpool paid), then that was worth around £3m to RD. But if he's now worth £50m, that shows a £2m increase in his book value to RD. If his apparent value increases next year by another £20m (and if van Dijk is worth that much, then why not!), then that is £2m each year on his value to RD. (He may or may not ever be sold, and values can of course go down as well as up!)
But if we use the same formula for Lookman, that could be worth £1m-£2m a year, and maybe with Gudmundsson, Pope, etc added in then RD could easily say that his "assets" are increasing in value what he is losing at CAFC (c£6m per season).
How he realises those assets, if ever, is another matter.
Yes, I was thinking the same.
This could run indefinitely, unless one or both parties budge and come to an agreement.
However, if he is willing to lose, let's call it £6M pa, then logic might suggest the sell on deals, plus whatever else he wants, is worth more than £6M to him ?
Maybe that's his view?
For example (all numbers made up), if Gomez was worth £30m last season, prior to the world cup, and presuming we have a 10% sell on fee (over and above the £3.5m that Liverpool paid), then that was worth around £3m to RD. But if he's now worth £50m, that shows a £2m increase in his book value to RD. If his apparent value increases next year by another £20m (and if van Dijk is worth that much, then why not!), then that is £2m each year on his value to RD. (He may or may not ever be sold, and values can of course go down as well as up!)
But if we use the same formula for Lookman, that could be worth £1m-£2m a year, and maybe with Gudmundsson, Pope, etc added in then RD could easily say that his "assets" are increasing in value what he is losing at CAFC (c£6m per season).
How he realises those assets, if ever, is another matter.
Yes, I was thinking the same.
This could run indefinitely, unless one or both parties budge and come to an agreement.
In a fortnights time after the completion of the takeover and scarfy has been paraded at The Valley with the Aussies. How long do we give it until the moaning starts again?
"Blandford st, EFL headquarters in London and step on it driver."
"As your the famous Heath Rarris, the well know football broker and go to man, have you any rumour nuggets to chew on while I drive."
"That makes a change from talking about Brexit. Yes i'm in negotiations with CAFC, DLT is the guy I'm dealing with, on behalf of a Belgian Behemoth called Douchebag. Only met him a couple of times but he like Scrooge, but tighter. He's got yellow teeth and shoes that have 100K on the clock. I heard he went to a fancy dress party with his son and they just put stockings over their heads"
"What you mean they went as bank robbers Guv ?"
"No, they went as a pair of tights."
"What's the time scale now on this deal"
"Two weeks but don't tell a soul driver"
My lips are sealed Guv, my lips are sealed.
This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, businesses, places, events, locales, and incidents are either the products of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.
"Blandford st, EFL headquarters in London and step on it driver."
"As your the famous Heath Rarris, the well know football broker and go to man, have you any rumour nuggets to chew on while I drive."
"That makes a change from talking about Brexit. Yes i'm in negotiations with CAFC, DLT is the guy I'm dealing with, on behalf of a Belgian Behemoth called Douchebag. Only met him a couple of times but he like Scrooge, but tighter. He's got yellow teeth and shoes that have 100K on the clock. I heard he went to a fancy dress party with his son and they just put stockings over their heads"
"What you mean they went as bank robbers Guv ?"
"No, they went as a pair of tights."
"What's the time scale now on this deal"
"Two weeks but don't tell a soul driver"
My lips are sealed Guv, my lips are sealed.
This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, businesses, places, events, locales, and incidents are either the products of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.
Doesn’t take much to re ignite this thread!!!!! If we are still going to make the film of all the characters involved in this thread, please count me out - just reading the last couple of pages chewing over all this bollox has given me a dullness Induced headache. Surely it’s all just a load of Shute made up to sustain rd’s tenure - it got rid of Meire and robbo which was s plus biut I can see no end to rd’s nonsense ownership
Doesn’t take much to re ignite this thread!!!!! If we are still going to make the film of all the characters involved in this thread, please count me out - just reading the last couple of pages chewing over all this bollox has given me a dullness Induced headache. Surely it’s all just a load of Shute made up to sustain rd’s tenure - it got rid of Meire and robbo which was s plus biut I can see no end to rd’s nonsense ownership
So you think Harris is talking shite?
Perhaps he planned to get in a taxi owned by a Charlton fan so he could catch us out yet again?
I think this recent news perfectly demonstrates the value of the London Taxi service. Knowledgeable drivers who recognise customers and can engage in appropriate conversation. Can you imagine an Uber driver doing the same?
An Uber driver would have had a mobile number for Keith Harris, shared it in here, so everyone could ask for updates
I think this recent news perfectly demonstrates the value of the London Taxi service. Knowledgeable drivers who recognise customers and can engage in appropriate conversation. Can you imagine an Uber driver doing the same?
An Uber driver would have had a mobile number for Keith Harris, shared it in here, so everyone could ask for updates
"Blandford st, EFL headquarters in London and step on it driver."
"As your the famous Heath Rarris, the well know football broker and go to man, have you any rumour nuggets to chew on while I drive."
"That makes a change from talking about Brexit. Yes i'm in negotiations with CAFC, DLT is the guy I'm dealing with, on behalf of a Belgian Behemoth called Douchebag. Only met him a couple of times but he like Scrooge, but tighter. He's got yellow teeth and shoes that have 100K on the clock. I heard he went to a fancy dress party with his son and they just put stockings over their heads"
"What you mean they went as bank robbers Guv ?"
"No, they went as a pair of tights."
"What's the time scale now on this deal"
"Two weeks but don't tell a soul driver"
My lips are sealed Guv, my lips are sealed.
This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, businesses, places, events, locales, and incidents are either the products of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.
Deserves more than one LOL Bravo!!!
Thanks again Taxi lad for sharing. After the last week we needed some hope. Not there yet, but maybe, just maybe.
I can now reveal that everything posted on this thread has been 100% accurate and in line with my sources. Just one inaccuracy on pg 13. VB is definitely NOT good.
‘LdT is a nice guy but is RD’s man and is working on his behalf, hence the comment re the Aussies having some explaining to do when it’s all over is bollox. All down to RD and his stubbornness’.
Doesn’t take much to re ignite this thread!!!!! If we are still going to make the film of all the characters involved in this thread, please count me out - just reading the last couple of pages chewing over all this bollox has given me a dullness Induced headache. Surely it’s all just a load of Shute made up to sustain rd’s tenure - it got rid of Meire and robbo which was s plus biut I can see no end to rd’s nonsense ownership
So you think Harris is talking shite?
Perhaps he planned to get in a taxi owned by a Charlton fan so he could catch us out yet again?
Good conspiracy but I don’t buy it.
You’re not thinking big enough.
@Taxi_Lad is being paid by RD. So is everyone else, the Aussies, the Saudis, Keith Harris, Airman, Colin, Doucher, Jimmy Seed, NLA, Richard Cawley, Jim White etc.
It’s Roland’s greatest ever plan and he’s laughing at every single one of you.
He’s spending tens of millions to laugh at literally hundreds of Charlton fans.
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A bit boring though.
For example (all numbers made up), if Gomez was worth £30m last season, prior to the world cup, and presuming we have a 10% sell on fee (over and above the £3.5m that Liverpool paid), then that was worth around £3m to RD. But if he's now worth £50m, that shows a £2m increase in his book value to RD. If his apparent value increases next year by another £20m (and if van Dijk is worth that much, then why not!), then that is £2m each year on his value to RD. (He may or may not ever be sold, and values can of course go down as well as up!)
But if we use the same formula for Lookman, that could be worth £1m-£2m a year, and maybe with Gudmundsson, Pope, etc added in then RD could easily say that his "assets" are increasing in value what he is losing at CAFC (c£6m per season).
How he realises those assets, if ever, is another matter.
If the scenario is that RD thinks he is entitled to all the sell-on clauses in the player sales under his stewardship, I could understand the issue.
As there is no guarantee if or when add-ons pay. Its the annualised value of these add-ons (which is difficult to establish as there is no guarantee) v the annualised losses that would form a book value and this maybe the reason that he was trying so hard to reduce costs wherever he could.
The Aussies may well be letting him realise his losses whist he holds out for potential future payments from the sales of Gomez, Lookman etc.
This could run indefinitely, unless one or both parties budge and come to an agreement.
Does anyone know if the Rat has a nervous tic ?
A few weeks back an EFL official was quoted as saying neither the proof of funds and the names of the backers had been lodged.
Perhaps things have moved forward.
"Blandford st, EFL headquarters in London and step on it driver."
"As your the famous Heath Rarris, the well know football broker and go to man, have you any rumour nuggets to chew on while I drive."
"That makes a change from talking about Brexit. Yes i'm in negotiations with CAFC,
DLT is the guy I'm dealing with, on behalf of a Belgian Behemoth called Douchebag.
Only met him a couple of times but he like Scrooge, but tighter.
He's got yellow teeth and shoes that have 100K on the clock. I heard he went to a fancy dress party with his son and they just put stockings over their heads"
"What you mean they went as bank robbers Guv ?"
"No, they went as a pair of tights."
"What's the time scale now on this deal"
"Two weeks but don't tell a soul driver"
My lips are sealed Guv, my lips are sealed.
This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, businesses, places, events, locales, and incidents are either the products of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.
#charltonlifememes
Bravo!!!
Perhaps he planned to get in a taxi owned by a Charlton fan so he could catch us out yet again?
Good conspiracy but I don’t buy it.
WIOTOS.
Tell me more?
After the last week we needed some hope.
Not there yet, but maybe, just maybe.
That should go down well at the Fans Forum!
@Taxi_Lad is being paid by RD. So is everyone else, the Aussies, the Saudis, Keith Harris, Airman, Colin, Doucher, Jimmy Seed, NLA, Richard Cawley, Jim White etc.
It’s Roland’s greatest ever plan and he’s laughing at every single one of you.
He’s spending tens of millions to laugh at literally hundreds of Charlton fans.