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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Cafc43v3r said:Stu_of_Kunming said:Chunes said:Six months to buy the training ground.
Haven't got that much money then.
As there's no actual quotes given, I'm going hold onto to the hope that londonnewsonline have this one wrong.1 -
Change of thread title? Ding Dong Wrong1
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Personally, as much as I hate Duchatelet, the priority was ownership of The Valley, which thankfully is now in the hands of ESI.
I would have no problems with the training ground remaining in Duchatelet's ownership as long as ESI agree a long term lease at a fair market rent. However, as others have already suggested, there may well be outstanding legal issues, and ESI have given Duchatelet six months to settle these.
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Very odd
Not at all happy about a separation of ownership of the training ground and the club.
However there is a "commitment" to buy it so it could be resolved quickly.
It still raises a few serious questions.3 -
Such as what is the nature of the commitment2
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ESI say there is a contractual agreement to buy the training ground and that if they had waited to do all the surveys, due diligence and so on for the TG then they wouldn't have completed their takeover by January.ESI also say they have committed £15million to developing it once the training ground has been bought this summer.8:49 AM · Jan 7, 2020·Twitter Web App31
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£15M to develop the training ground, that’s a lot of money, why are people worrying.16
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AveryAddick said:£15M to develop the training ground, that’s a lot of money, why are people worrying.2
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If you wanted a takeover to be done in time for this season the training ground had to be left out but legally bonded by contract for purchase subject to all checks
some people really do need to get back to enjoying football not trying to be a sleuth41 - Sponsored links:
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If the ‘£15m’ number for the training ground is to be believed, does that all but confirm additional investment from elsewhere?Surely Nimer wouldn’t be spending this much out of his own pocket?4
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Dippenhall said:ESI has filed more papers dealing with share allotments available to view in a few days time. Could be ESI has acquired all the assets of the club rather than buying the company. Would eliminate any potential residual legal liabilities for skeletons found in the cupboard re past transactions and mean a new clean start.3
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Dippenhall said:Dippenhall said:ESI has filed more papers dealing with share allotments available to view in a few days time. Could be ESI has acquired all the assets of the club rather than buying the company. Would eliminate any potential residual legal liabilities for skeletons found in the cupboard re past transactions and mean a new clean start.
In this case isn't it the other way around in that they have bought the shares but not all the assets?
They own the Valley but not SL so it doesn't seem they are that short of cash.
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Henry Irving said:Dippenhall said:Dippenhall said:ESI has filed more papers dealing with share allotments available to view in a few days time. Could be ESI has acquired all the assets of the club rather than buying the company. Would eliminate any potential residual legal liabilities for skeletons found in the cupboard re past transactions and mean a new clean start.
In this case isn't it the other way around in that they have bought the shares but not all the assets?
They own the Valley but not SL so it doesn't seem they are that short of cash.
Could be that ESI has bought the real estate of the Valley from Baton/Holdings? rather than the shares, and the cash paid by ESI for that real estate was used by RD to pump into CAFC to fund the new £21.5m share allocation. That cash, held by CAFC, then being used to re-pay part of the Staprix loan.
So the title for SL could similarly be bought from Baton/Holdings, or alternatively the shares of Baton/Holdings acquired. In either case binding contracts have been exchanged subject to due diligence. What RD always said - I'm giving the club away but will sell the assets.
Worst scenario would be some legal impediment to a clean title of ESI to SL and a legal dispute between ESI and RD resulting in SL being in limbo. That potential problem would arise regardless of how the acquisition has been structured.4 -
The next 6 months will be crucial.8
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Isawsummersplay said:Personally, as much as I hate Duchatelet, the priority was ownership of The Valley, which thankfully is now in the hands of ESI.
I would have no problems with the training ground remaining in Duchatelet's ownership as long as ESI agree a long term lease at a fair market rent. However, as others have already suggested, there may well be outstanding legal issues, and ESI have given Duchatelet six months to settle these.
It is too easy to think the training ground issue is financial.0 -
Dippenhall said:Henry Irving said:Dippenhall said:Dippenhall said:ESI has filed more papers dealing with share allotments available to view in a few days time. Could be ESI has acquired all the assets of the club rather than buying the company. Would eliminate any potential residual legal liabilities for skeletons found in the cupboard re past transactions and mean a new clean start.
In this case isn't it the other way around in that they have bought the shares but not all the assets?
They own the Valley but not SL so it doesn't seem they are that short of cash.
Could be that ESI has bought the real estate of the Valley from Baton/Holdings? rather than the shares, and the cash paid by ESI for that real estate was used by RD to pump into CAFC to fund the new £21.5m share allocation. That cash, held by CAFC, then being used to re-pay part of the Staprix loan.
So the title for SL could similarly be bought from Baton/Holdings, or alternatively the shares of Baton/Holdings acquired. In either case binding contracts have been exchanged subject to due diligence. What RD always said - I'm giving the club away but will sell the assets.
Worst scenario would be some legal impediment to a clean title of ESI to SL and a legal dispute between ESI and RD resulting in SL being in limbo. That potential problem would arise regardless of how the acquisition has been structured.
Does make me think that these issues over Sparrows Lane were a factor in previous takeover's falling through. We may never know but it all points to there being outstanding issues that other potential buyers wouldn't put up with and neither would ESI, they just found a way around it for six months.1 -
Henry Irving said:Dippenhall said:Henry Irving said:Dippenhall said:Dippenhall said:ESI has filed more papers dealing with share allotments available to view in a few days time. Could be ESI has acquired all the assets of the club rather than buying the company. Would eliminate any potential residual legal liabilities for skeletons found in the cupboard re past transactions and mean a new clean start.
In this case isn't it the other way around in that they have bought the shares but not all the assets?
They own the Valley but not SL so it doesn't seem they are that short of cash.
Could be that ESI has bought the real estate of the Valley from Baton/Holdings? rather than the shares, and the cash paid by ESI for that real estate was used by RD to pump into CAFC to fund the new £21.5m share allocation. That cash, held by CAFC, then being used to re-pay part of the Staprix loan.
So the title for SL could similarly be bought from Baton/Holdings, or alternatively the shares of Baton/Holdings acquired. In either case binding contracts have been exchanged subject to due diligence. What RD always said - I'm giving the club away but will sell the assets.
Worst scenario would be some legal impediment to a clean title of ESI to SL and a legal dispute between ESI and RD resulting in SL being in limbo. That potential problem would arise regardless of how the acquisition has been structured.
Does make me think that these issues over Sparrows Lane were a factor in previous takeover's falling through. We may never know but it all points to there being outstanding issues that other potential buyers wouldn't put up with and neither would ESI, they just found a way around it for six months.0 -
Mal said:Henry Irving said:Dippenhall said:Henry Irving said:Dippenhall said:Dippenhall said:ESI has filed more papers dealing with share allotments available to view in a few days time. Could be ESI has acquired all the assets of the club rather than buying the company. Would eliminate any potential residual legal liabilities for skeletons found in the cupboard re past transactions and mean a new clean start.
In this case isn't it the other way around in that they have bought the shares but not all the assets?
They own the Valley but not SL so it doesn't seem they are that short of cash.
Could be that ESI has bought the real estate of the Valley from Baton/Holdings? rather than the shares, and the cash paid by ESI for that real estate was used by RD to pump into CAFC to fund the new £21.5m share allocation. That cash, held by CAFC, then being used to re-pay part of the Staprix loan.
So the title for SL could similarly be bought from Baton/Holdings, or alternatively the shares of Baton/Holdings acquired. In either case binding contracts have been exchanged subject to due diligence. What RD always said - I'm giving the club away but will sell the assets.
Worst scenario would be some legal impediment to a clean title of ESI to SL and a legal dispute between ESI and RD resulting in SL being in limbo. That potential problem would arise regardless of how the acquisition has been structured.
Does make me think that these issues over Sparrows Lane were a factor in previous takeover's falling through. We may never know but it all points to there being outstanding issues that other potential buyers wouldn't put up with and neither would ESI, they just found a way around it for six months.
But as you say, maybe ESI just wanted it more and were willing to pay more.1 -
Dippenhall said:Henry Irving said:Dippenhall said:Dippenhall said:ESI has filed more papers dealing with share allotments available to view in a few days time. Could be ESI has acquired all the assets of the club rather than buying the company. Would eliminate any potential residual legal liabilities for skeletons found in the cupboard re past transactions and mean a new clean start.
In this case isn't it the other way around in that they have bought the shares but not all the assets?
They own the Valley but not SL so it doesn't seem they are that short of cash.
Could be that ESI has bought the real estate of the Valley from Baton/Holdings? rather than the shares, and the cash paid by ESI for that real estate was used by RD to pump into CAFC to fund the new £21.5m share allocation. That cash, held by CAFC, then being used to re-pay part of the Staprix loan.
So the title for SL could similarly be bought from Baton/Holdings, or alternatively the shares of Baton/Holdings acquired. In either case binding contracts have been exchanged subject to due diligence. What RD always said - I'm giving the club away but will sell the assets.
Worst scenario would be some legal impediment to a clean title of ESI to SL and a legal dispute between ESI and RD resulting in SL being in limbo. That potential problem would arise regardless of how the acquisition has been structured.
without being in that team we don’t know what they were trying to make better and the tensions in the sale process.However it’s down now and they will play out over time. Doesn’t look either u usual or skewed against what we have left to me so far.1 - Sponsored links:
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Press conference Thursday I'm told.2
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Henry Irving said:Press conference Thursday I'm told.2
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flyingkiwiDK said:Henry Irving said:Press conference Thursday I'm told.1
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Fair to say the site may go into meltdown if Bowyer, Jackson and Gallen were sacked on Thursday but they won't be. Unrealistic to expect new contracts to have been agreed so quickly. Pleasantly surprised if that were to happen but an announcement that negotiations are to commence is probably all that's needed this month.6
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flyingkiwiDK said:Henry Irving said:Press conference Thursday I'm told.1
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Time to say goodbye to Tripadvisor and my one follower on there, I’ve got to be pleased with level 3. I was going to write a book on adventures in Belgium titled “Staying at Stayen” but my publisher cancelled at the last minute. 😉18
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Stig said:Does this mean I have to cancel my hotel booking in St Truiden?17
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ForeverAddickted said:
There are ex-pros with brains at the PFA who can do that service so much cheaper and if Taylor goes, you will be offered a mega increase as soon as you walk into Matt Southall's office.
From 3k to 9k without even blinking, score another 8 plus a few assists and you will be in a great position in the summer.1 -
Update from Companies House.
Resolutions The sum of £21,494,704.00 be capitalised 27/12/2019 Restiction on auth share cap revoked and deleted 27/12/2019 This document is being processed and will be available in 5 days.08 Jan 2020
Can someone please translate?
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