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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 5,978

    Pedro45 said:

    Without igniting inter-site warfare what is the stance on SE7 Valiantly and elsewhere about Duchatelet now?

    Facebook seems to have a sizable anti CARD minority but the same people are anti- Duchatelet.

    Fb really is the pits though, with lots of "my dick is bigger than yours" all the time... Most of them are just jealous of Airman Brown.
    why? has he got a massive cock?
    Theres a few people on here that'll know the answer to that.
    Fanny?
  • Changing the subject.

    The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.

    Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.

  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835

    Changing the subject.

    The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.

    Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.

    Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.

  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,070
    edited April 2018
    dickplumb said:

    Changing the subject.

    The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.

    Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.

    Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.

    I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.

    Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.

    They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.

    #anothertangent
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,851
    edited April 2018
    WSS said:

    dickplumb said:

    Changing the subject.

    The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.

    Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.

    Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.

    I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.

    Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.

    They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.

    #anothertangent
    Players are human, but the takeover delay really shouldn't make that much difference to them. Especially this season when there have been no protests AND the players have been well supported (in terms of singing) home and away. Our crowds may be down, but they're still the fourth highest in the division, and higher than Wigan's for example. The majority of the players won't be that bothered at the moment that we have no CEO or Finance Director either.

    For fans, the club is for life. For most players, it's a job.
  • Taxi_Lad
    Taxi_Lad Posts: 3,768
    Also, they may be professional footballers who are highly trained but so are the opposing teams. Any slight difference in temperament can make a difference in performance levels
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff
    Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times
  • rikofold
    rikofold Posts: 4,051
    edited April 2018

    WSS said:

    dickplumb said:

    Changing the subject.

    The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.

    Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.

    Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.

    I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.

    Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.

    They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.

    #anothertangent
    Players are human, but the takeover delay really shouldn't make that much difference to them. Especially this season when there have been no protests AND the players have been well supported (in terms of singing) home and away. Our crowds may be down, but they're still the fourth highest in the division, and higher than Wigan's for example. The majority of the players won't be that bothered at the moment that we have no CEO or Finance Director either.

    For fans, the club is for life. For most players, it's a job.
    The issue for them is the future, and for those in and out of contract they will want to know if the club has ambition, who the manager will be, who they'll be playing with, etc. I wouldn't blame any of them if their attention is beyond Charlton, just as it would be for any of us if our companies were undergoing am uncertain takeover.

    The difference to the players between another season of RD's apathy and one with new owners impatiently looking to get up through the divisions is immeasurable, I'd have thought.

    And right now, who do they go to at the club to discuss the details of their concerns? The pie man?
  • N01R4M
    N01R4M Posts: 2,577
    WSS said:

    dickplumb said:

    Changing the subject.

    The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.

    Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.

    Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.

    I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.

    Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.

    They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.

    #anothertangent
    I'm expecting 100% effort and concentration for a couple of hours a week, while they are in front of their public - I dare say there is downtime during working hours on non-match days, and do not begrudge them that provided they do the necessary training.
  • DA9 said:

    I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff
    Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times

    Tweeting abuse to players after a game is one of the cringest things a fan can do.
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  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091

    DA9 said:

    I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff
    Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times

    Tweeting abuse to players after a game is one of the cringest things a fan can do.
    I know, let me know who abused him and I’ll block them
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,851
    rikofold said:

    WSS said:

    dickplumb said:

    Changing the subject.

    The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.

    Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.

    Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.

    I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.

    Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.

    They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.

    #anothertangent
    Players are human, but the takeover delay really shouldn't make that much difference to them. Especially this season when there have been no protests AND the players have been well supported (in terms of singing) home and away. Our crowds may be down, but they're still the fourth highest in the division, and higher than Wigan's for example. The majority of the players won't be that bothered at the moment that we have no CEO or Finance Director either.

    For fans, the club is for life. For most players, it's a job.
    The issue for them is the future, and for those in and out of contract they will want to know if the club has ambition, who the manager will be, who they'll be playing with, etc. I wouldn't blame any of them if their attention is beyond Charlton, just as it would be for any of us if our companies were undergoing am uncertain takeover.

    The difference to the players between another season of RD's apathy and one with new owners impatiently looking to get up through the divisions is immeasurable, I'd have thought.

    And right now, who do they go to at the club to discuss the details of their concerns? The pie man?
    Players these days in lower division clubs have short contracts, they're used to changes of clubs, of managers being sacked etc

    The difference between players and us, is that they have scouts watching them. I could be great at my job, but rival companies wouldn't know. Play well for us on Saturday, a watching scout for another club might make a bid

    Newcastle have been in limbo all season, with a hated owner and a takeover breaking down, but Rafa has still got them giving 100%.
  • DA9 said:

    I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff
    Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times

    Fan in comparing his job to that of a professional footballers shock.
  • rikofold
    rikofold Posts: 4,051

    rikofold said:

    WSS said:

    dickplumb said:

    Changing the subject.

    The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.

    Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.

    Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.

    I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.

    Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.

    They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.

    #anothertangent
    Players are human, but the takeover delay really shouldn't make that much difference to them. Especially this season when there have been no protests AND the players have been well supported (in terms of singing) home and away. Our crowds may be down, but they're still the fourth highest in the division, and higher than Wigan's for example. The majority of the players won't be that bothered at the moment that we have no CEO or Finance Director either.

    For fans, the club is for life. For most players, it's a job.
    The issue for them is the future, and for those in and out of contract they will want to know if the club has ambition, who the manager will be, who they'll be playing with, etc. I wouldn't blame any of them if their attention is beyond Charlton, just as it would be for any of us if our companies were undergoing am uncertain takeover.

    The difference to the players between another season of RD's apathy and one with new owners impatiently looking to get up through the divisions is immeasurable, I'd have thought.

    And right now, who do they go to at the club to discuss the details of their concerns? The pie man?
    Players these days in lower division clubs have short contracts, they're used to changes of clubs, of managers being sacked etc

    The difference between players and us, is that they have scouts watching them. I could be great at my job, but rival companies wouldn't know. Play well for us on Saturday, a watching scout for another club might make a bid

    Newcastle have been in limbo all season, with a hated owner and a takeover breaking down, but Rafa has still got them giving 100%.
    They have the motivation of playing and staying in the Premier League. Not quite the same as being lied to season after season as to the ambition of a league one club.
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091

    DA9 said:

    I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff
    Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times

    Fan in comparing his job to that of a professional footballers shock.
    I work harder
  • DA9 said:

    DA9 said:

    I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff
    Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times

    Fan in comparing his job to that of a professional footballers shock.
    I work harder
    How do you quantify that?
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    edited April 2018
    rikofold said:

    rikofold said:

    WSS said:

    dickplumb said:

    Changing the subject.

    The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.

    Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.

    Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.

    I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.

    Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.

    They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.

    #anothertangent
    Players are human, but the takeover delay really shouldn't make that much difference to them. Especially this season when there have been no protests AND the players have been well supported (in terms of singing) home and away. Our crowds may be down, but they're still the fourth highest in the division, and higher than Wigan's for example. The majority of the players won't be that bothered at the moment that we have no CEO or Finance Director either.

    For fans, the club is for life. For most players, it's a job.
    The issue for them is the future, and for those in and out of contract they will want to know if the club has ambition, who the manager will be, who they'll be playing with, etc. I wouldn't blame any of them if their attention is beyond Charlton, just as it would be for any of us if our companies were undergoing am uncertain takeover.

    The difference to the players between another season of RD's apathy and one with new owners impatiently looking to get up through the divisions is immeasurable, I'd have thought.

    And right now, who do they go to at the club to discuss the details of their concerns? The pie man?
    Players these days in lower division clubs have short contracts, they're used to changes of clubs, of managers being sacked etc

    The difference between players and us, is that they have scouts watching them. I could be great at my job, but rival companies wouldn't know. Play well for us on Saturday, a watching scout for another club might make a bid

    Newcastle have been in limbo all season, with a hated owner and a takeover breaking down, but Rafa has still got them giving 100%.
    They have the motivation of playing and staying in the Premier League. Not quite the same as being lied to season after season as to the ambition of a league one club.

    Surely the only lie about ambition that would affect a player is the signing of other better players to achieve promotion, we can all argue that point, but, as you are paid by the club and are a professional you should perform regardless, I may think others in my
    Company are worse than me, but it doesn’t stop me performing my job well and having personal professional standards c

    DA9 said:

    DA9 said:

    I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff
    Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times

    Fan in comparing his job to that of a professional footballers shock.
    I work harder
    How do you quantify that?
    By knowing my own efforts and personal standards each week and then watching our first team, and I reckon over the season I put in more effort in my job than some of our squad do in theirs
  • Howells
    Howells Posts: 253
    edited April 2018

    DA9 said:

    DA9 said:

    I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff
    Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times

    Fan in comparing his job to that of a professional footballers shock.
    I work harder
    How do you quantify that?
    Most of those employed on a full time basis in this country do anywhere between 30-40 hours a week.
    Footballers do a few hours on the training pitch each day and then 90 minutes on a Saturday.

    You do the math.
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  • smudge7946
    smudge7946 Posts: 4,131
    The art to working is making your employers/customers think you are giving 100%+, even when you are giving much less.
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    I always gave 100 per cent at work as well.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Average
    dickplumb said:

    I always gave 100 per cent at work as well.

    Do you work full time Dick?
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    I retired when I was 55. I worked in the City most of my life. The Company went into Administration when I was 53 and I was paid by the Administrator and the Company to help sort out their affairs. I always gave 100 per cent though.
  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,070
    I'm glad I distracted everyone from the fact that there is no imminent takeover.
  • HarryLime
    HarryLime Posts: 1,295
    WSS said:

    I'm glad I distracted everyone from the fact that there is no imminent takeover.

    Yeah well done, I was just about to put up a picture of a train. It's going to be a long Summer.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    Dazzler21 said:

    WSS said:

    dickplumb said:

    Changing the subject.

    The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.

    Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.

    Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.

    I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.

    Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.

    They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.

    #anothertangent
    I would like to say that Charlton Life is evidence of the fact that we do not all put 100% into our jobs...

    Except me...

    10% Monday
    25% Tuesday
    25% Wednesday
    30% Thursday
    10% Friday
    Thank you @oohaahmortimer
  • dickplumb said:

    I retired when I was 55. I worked in the City most of my life. The Company went into Administration when I was 53 and I was paid by the Administrator and the Company to help sort out their affairs. I always gave 100 per cent though.

    You gave 100% yet the company failed.

    Can somebody help me out with an analogy here ?

  • dickplumb said:

    I retired when I was 55. I worked in the City most of my life. The Company went into Administration when I was 53 and I was paid by the Administrator and the Company to help sort out their affairs. I always gave 100 per cent though.

    You gave 100% yet the company failed.

    Can somebody help me out with an analogy here ?

    Umm Simon Church? He always gave 100% but was shit.
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