No idea if this is accurate or true but I’m posting what I’ve heard. In fact I hope it’s not.
Saudi’s have left negotiations and Australians have failed to agree a price or terms on how that might be paid.
Duchatelet wants £40 million plus add ons for on the pitch success’s and in future player sales and sell ons for five years after sale. This could conceivably take the figure over £50 - 55 million.
That I’m told is the impasse which to me at least sounds plausible and completely ridiculous. If there is truth in this and I hope some of the truly in the know blow this out of the water then we are fucked.
If @Airman Brown & @Redhenry 's posts are anything to go by I'd say your info is wide of the mark. Is your "source" ITK or just some sap who likes to yank your chain ???
However, if by the Blackburn game we know that this is true & we are going to be stuck with RD next season I'd support a BIG protest. Not just throwing pigs or taxis but a pitch invasion / sit down so that the game is called off (and not re-started 2 hours later ala Orient). If under FFP rules you've got to have a Finance Officer then the EFL will have to act. I'm all for making them squirm & getting media coverage. There is no way an owner who has shown no interest in the club can "ask" for any ongoing payments, especially if they relate to onfield success after he has left. Its a bit like selling your house (yes, that analogy again) & asking the new owners to give you 10% of the revaluation price 5 years down the line once they have built an extension & completely renovated the property.
If he’s still in control come the Blackburn game and we’re out of the playoff race - the best thing would be for no one to attend. Not a single bum on a home seat!
Sure there are some useful assets, some of them wearing boots. Against that there are daunting liabilities. RD has painted himself into a corner. In due course his only recourse will be to a fire sale, just to get out from under. His last best chance is now, and the prospective buyers know it.
Even the stubborn old Belgian must understand by now that no-one will pay anything like what he wants to reimburse him for the self-generated losses which, of course, merrily continue at £1 million a month. His advisers must surely have made it very clear what the going rate is for football clubs, and there is certainly no shortage of clubs for sale.
Of course he wants to control the negotiations. That's in his nature. But - this is most definitely a buyers' market. If two parties who've shown prolonged interest have now both reached the close of play then indeed the writing is on the wall. In any case RD knows he's going to face public humiliation when he is eventually forced to sell at far below his total costs, but he simply has no choice.
His refusal so far to accept the obvious has created such a climate of uncertainty that the team's performances have become highly erratic as the end of the season approaches. The players' agents are no fools. They and their clients do not want to be tied to a sinking ship. How many careers - players and coaches - have already been blighted by association with this regime?
All due diligence having long since been completed, it is just a matter of price, terms and conditions, as in fact it has always been. Sooner rather than later RD will make a snap decision to get a deal, any deal, done and out of the blue there will come an announcement ....
If the unthinkable happens and RD remains in charge indefinitely then at least the value of the club will no longer be an issue. It will be £1.
With us in the Isthmian League.
Is that right PD if things are that bad why you not down the ground protesting instead of lands end on a Saturday.
Sure there are some useful assets, some of them wearing boots. Against that there are daunting liabilities. RD has painted himself into a corner. In due course his only recourse will be to a fire sale, just to get out from under. His last best chance is now, and the prospective buyers know it.
I'll agree to disagree. The value could fall, but he will never need to sell for £1, because it wouldn't be a distressed sale. He could own us until he dies, without troubling his finances (although he may have to cash in some of his £1Billion in other assets).
Even the stubborn old Belgian must understand by now that no-one will pay anything like what he wants to reimburse him for the self-generated losses which, of course, merrily continue at £1 million a month. His advisers must surely have made it very clear what the going rate is for football clubs, and there is certainly no shortage of clubs for sale.
Of course he wants to control the negotiations. That's in his nature. But - this is most definitely a buyers' market. If two parties who've shown prolonged interest have now both reached the close of play then indeed the writing is on the wall. In any case RD knows he's going to face public humiliation when he is eventually forced to sell at far below his total costs, but he simply has no choice.
His refusal so far to accept the obvious has created such a climate of uncertainty that the team's performances have become highly erratic as the end of the season approaches. The players' agents are no fools. They and their clients do not want to be tied to a sinking ship. How many careers - players and coaches - have already been blighted by association with this regime?
All due diligence having long since been completed, it is just a matter of price, terms and conditions, as in fact it has always been. Sooner rather than later RD will make a snap decision to get a deal, any deal, done and out of the blue there will come an announcement ....
If the unthinkable happens and RD remains in charge indefinitely then at least the value of the club will no longer be an issue. It will be £1.
With us in the Isthmian League.
Is that right PD if things are that bad why you not down the ground protesting instead of lands end on a Saturday.
Protesting by not attending.
Royston v Biggleswade this Saturday, not Lands End.
Even the stubborn old Belgian must understand by now that no-one will pay anything like what he wants to reimburse him for the self-generated losses which, of course, merrily continue at £1 million a month. His advisers must surely have made it very clear what the going rate is for football clubs, and there is certainly no shortage of clubs for sale.
Of course he wants to control the negotiations. That's in his nature. But - this is most definitely a buyers' market. If two parties who've shown prolonged interest have now both reached the close of play then indeed the writing is on the wall. In any case RD knows he's going to face public humiliation when he is eventually forced to sell at far below his total costs, but he simply has no choice.
His refusal so far to accept the obvious has created such a climate of uncertainty that the team's performances have become highly erratic as the end of the season approaches. The players' agents are no fools. They and their clients do not want to be tied to a sinking ship. How many careers - players and coaches - have already been blighted by association with this regime?
All due diligence having long since been completed, it is just a matter of price, terms and conditions, as in fact it has always been. Sooner rather than later RD will make a snap decision to get a deal, any deal, done and out of the blue there will come an announcement ....
If the unthinkable happens and RD remains in charge indefinitely then at least the value of the club will no longer be an issue. It will be £1.
With us in the Isthmian League.
Is that right PD if things are that bad why you not down the ground protesting instead of lands end on a Saturday.
I honestly hadn't considered that the downturn in the last 3 performances could be attributed to the players' concerns about their immediate futures.
In my ignorance, I had assumed that they would be able to switch off once they entered the field of play but of course, most have families & all have relatively few years in the game, and that's if they stay injury free on the whole.
You make some very valid points , dear friend , that make me wonder whether a significant protest at the Blackburn match would have their approval if the old Rat is still hanging around.
I think it's the same with every job. When there is uncertainty in the workplace, you try to go about your tasks professionally and put things to the back of your mind, but often you don't realise how much things affect you, and how your work is suffering until after the event. You try to work hard, but when you are suffering from stress, your performance is compromised, though it's not always apparent to yourself at the time.
I dont buy the uncertainty thing, it would equally have applied to the first 3 matches, this is about personnel, quality in the squad, confidence, and a new manager
I honestly hadn't considered that the downturn in the last 3 performances could be attributed to the players' concerns about their immediate futures.
In my ignorance, I had assumed that they would be able to switch off once they entered the field of play but of course, most have families & all have relatively few years in the game, and that's if they stay injury free on the whole.
You make some very valid points , dear friend , that make me wonder whether a significant protest at the Blackburn match would have their approval if the old Rat is still hanging around.
This doesn't wash with me. If you were uncertain about your future it should be all the more reason to knuckle down and impress prospective employers. If it isn't you don't deserve anything. The downtown IMO can be better explained by the fact that we have an imbalanced squad thanks to Duchatelet and if you try to beat us we can give you a game, but if you try to stop us we haven't got enough players who can hurt you and we are always good for the odd defensive lapse!
Lose tonight and I think we can finally kiss goodbye to our chance of going up via the playoffs (which I've always felt was highly unlikely anyway).
Presumably for our next home game CARD are planning a massive protest on par with what we saw last season? A complete boycott would be even more effective imho but I just can't see it happening.
Another protest in Belgium wouldn't go amiss either. We really need to ramp up the pressure on the old scrot now!
I honestly hadn't considered that the downturn in the last 3 performances could be attributed to the players' concerns about their immediate futures.
In my ignorance, I had assumed that they would be able to switch off once they entered the field of play but of course, most have families & all have relatively few years in the game, and that's if they stay injury free on the whole.
You make some very valid points , dear friend , that make me wonder whether a significant protest at the Blackburn match would have their approval if the old Rat is still hanging around.
This doesn't wash with me. If you were uncertain about your future it should be all the more reason to knuckle down and impress prospective employers. If it isn't you don't deserve anything. The downtown IMO can be better explained by the fact that we have an imbalanced squad thanks to Duchatelet and if you try to beat us we can give you a game, but if you try to stop us we haven't got enough players who can hurt you and we are always good for the odd defensive lapse!
Agreed, it's not like working for a struggling coal mine where if it shuts down the whole area is on the scrap heap.
Players will want promotion whether we are sold not not, and on a personal level they'll all want to get to Wembley - how many have ever played there before. Those who want to leave will want to impress any watching scouts, while those on loan will also want to impress scouts and indeed scouts from their parent club, there to see how they're performing.
No idea if this is accurate or true but I’m posting what I’ve heard. In fact I hope it’s not.
Saudi’s have left negotiations and Australians have failed to agree a price or terms on how that might be paid.
Duchatelet wants £40 million plus add ons for on the pitch success’s and in future player sales and sell ons for five years after sale. This could conceivably take the figure over £50 - 55 million.
That I’m told is the impasse which to me at least sounds plausible and completely ridiculous. If there is truth in this and I hope some of the truly in the know blow this out of the water then we are fucked.
If @Airman Brown & @Redhenry 's posts are anything to go by I'd say your info is wide of the mark. Is your "source" ITK or just some sap who likes to yank your chain ???
However, if by the Blackburn game we know that this is true & we are going to be stuck with RD next season I'd support a BIG protest. Not just throwing pigs or taxis but a pitch invasion / sit down so that the game is called off (and not re-started 2 hours later ala Orient). If under FFP rules you've got to have a Finance Officer then the EFL will have to act. I'm all for making them squirm & getting media coverage. There is no way an owner who has shown no interest in the club can "ask" for any ongoing payments, especially if they relate to onfield success after he has left. Its a bit like selling your house (yes, that analogy again) & asking the new owners to give you 10% of the revaluation price 5 years down the line once they have built an extension & completely renovated the property.
If he’s still in control come the Blackburn game and we’re out of the playoff race - the best thing would be for no one to attend. Not a single bum on a home seat!
The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.
Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.
Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.
The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.
Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.
Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.
I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.
Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.
They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.
The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.
Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.
Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.
I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.
Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.
They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.
#anothertangent
Players are human, but the takeover delay really shouldn't make that much difference to them. Especially this season when there have been no protests AND the players have been well supported (in terms of singing) home and away. Our crowds may be down, but they're still the fourth highest in the division, and higher than Wigan's for example. The majority of the players won't be that bothered at the moment that we have no CEO or Finance Director either.
For fans, the club is for life. For most players, it's a job.
Also, they may be professional footballers who are highly trained but so are the opposing teams. Any slight difference in temperament can make a difference in performance levels
I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times
The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.
Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.
Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.
I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.
Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.
They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.
#anothertangent
Players are human, but the takeover delay really shouldn't make that much difference to them. Especially this season when there have been no protests AND the players have been well supported (in terms of singing) home and away. Our crowds may be down, but they're still the fourth highest in the division, and higher than Wigan's for example. The majority of the players won't be that bothered at the moment that we have no CEO or Finance Director either.
For fans, the club is for life. For most players, it's a job.
The issue for them is the future, and for those in and out of contract they will want to know if the club has ambition, who the manager will be, who they'll be playing with, etc. I wouldn't blame any of them if their attention is beyond Charlton, just as it would be for any of us if our companies were undergoing am uncertain takeover.
The difference to the players between another season of RD's apathy and one with new owners impatiently looking to get up through the divisions is immeasurable, I'd have thought.
And right now, who do they go to at the club to discuss the details of their concerns? The pie man?
The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.
Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.
Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.
I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.
Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.
They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.
#anothertangent
I'm expecting 100% effort and concentration for a couple of hours a week, while they are in front of their public - I dare say there is downtime during working hours on non-match days, and do not begrudge them that provided they do the necessary training.
I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times
Tweeting abuse to players after a game is one of the cringest things a fan can do.
I replied to Jason Pearce’s tweet the other day about “we go again “ guff Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times
Tweeting abuse to players after a game is one of the cringest things a fan can do.
I know, let me know who abused him and I’ll block them
The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.
Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.
Because they are professionals and are paid good sums of money. When I used to play non league football for no money, I always gave 100 per cent, no matter what the circumstances were. I had pride in my own performance.
I've never 100% understood this and I also think it's very unrealistic.
Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.
They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.
#anothertangent
I would like to say that Charlton Life is evidence of the fact that we do not all put 100% into our jobs...
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Sure there are some useful assets, some of them wearing boots. Against that there are daunting liabilities. RD has painted himself into a corner. In due course his only recourse will be to a fire sale, just to get out from under. His last best chance is now, and the prospective buyers know it.
He could own us until he dies, without troubling his finances (although he may have to cash in some of his £1Billion in other assets).
Royston v Biggleswade this Saturday, not Lands End.
Presumably for our next home game CARD are planning a massive protest on par with what we saw last season? A complete boycott would be even more effective imho but I just can't see it happening.
Another protest in Belgium wouldn't go amiss either. We really need to ramp up the pressure on the old scrot now!
Players will want promotion whether we are sold not not, and on a personal level they'll all want to get to Wembley - how many have ever played there before. Those who want to leave will want to impress any watching scouts, while those on loan will also want to impress scouts and indeed scouts from their parent club, there to see how they're performing.
The whole club from top to bottom including the fan base is in disarray and at pretty much an all time low with one notable exception.
Why we should expect the players to perform outside of the general malaise I don’t know.
Whether we like it or not, for many footballers - playing football is just a job. Can we honestly say that that all of us give 100% in our jobs all of the time? Maybe it's because they are doing something that we would all love to do (and the salaries) that our mindset changes slightly.
They are still human, they are still affected by family situations, relationship challenges, media intrusion and a very public assessment of their performance - we can't expect 100% effort all of the time.
#anothertangent
For fans, the club is for life. For most players, it's a job.
Told him that if I performed as inconsistently in my job as our squad, I wouldn’t be in it very long, yes, none of us give 100% every day, but their levels are off the scale at times
The difference to the players between another season of RD's apathy and one with new owners impatiently looking to get up through the divisions is immeasurable, I'd have thought.
And right now, who do they go to at the club to discuss the details of their concerns? The pie man?
Except me...
10% Monday
25% Tuesday
25% Wednesday
30% Thursday
10% Friday