Comprehensively beaten in both games over 2 legs by a team built mostly from non-league. And riding our luck in at least 2 of the wins (Blackburn and Pompey). Nah, more average than excellent.
Riding our luck at Pompey ? You don't half chat rubbish. We were outstanding and it was a great win.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more/ has more motivational abilty, by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
I'm astounded anyone could question the motivation ability of a man that turned a team of light weights into a team that won the vast majority of their battles. He absolutely transformed most of the players, who were barely recognisable, from earlier in the season.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
I dont think that was hard after Gobbo and everyone else we've had - do you?
Yes, I do think it was hard, extremely hard. No one else managed it, no one else even got close. Bowyer's motivation skills since he took over were sublime. Most fans had written off our chances of making the play offs.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more/ has more motivational abilty, by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
I'm astounded anyone could question the motivation ability of a man that turned a team of light weights into a team that won the vast majority of their battles. He absolutely transformed most of the players, who were barely recognisable, from earlier in the season.
I dont recall 6 out of 12 being the vast majority. I spoke to Patrick Bauer shortly after the Pompey game, and asked him if there was any major difference, and his reply was 'no real difference, aside from playing 2 up front , which seemed to release eveyone into playing a system they could recognise and fit into' - it wasnt rocket science.
I'm talking about tackling, winning tackles. Players that previously couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, were winning most of their challenges. If you were there you would have seen it, but you weren't, so you're speaking from a position of ignorance and not best placed to pass judgement.
As Airman said....... you do talk a load of pompous bollocks.
37 likes for me v 4 for you on this discussion. It's pretty clear who the majority agree with on whether Bowyer motivated the Charlton players or not.
I think we missed a Holmes player that could make a difference and to be fair to Shrewsbury they had one or maybe two of those. Imagine if he had been rested for the playofffs? Anyway give Bowyer the job I’m sure with the right support he could work more miracles COYR
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.
When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.
In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.
Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.
He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.
He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.
B+
Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.
It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.
Jacko turned it down .
Not sure where you heard that. For what it’s worth I heard the opposite
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.
When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.
In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.
Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.
He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.
He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.
B+
Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.
It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.
Jacko turned it down .
Not sure where you heard that. For what it’s worth I heard the opposite
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.
When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.
In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.
Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.
He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.
He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.
B+
Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.
It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.
Jacko turned it down, so I doubt he'll want it a few months later.
Depends on what part the ownership and the fact he was still registered as a player had in his decision, if he did indeed make that decision. It might only be a few months later, but the circumstances around the club could be dramatically different.
Comprehensively beaten in both games over 2 legs by a team built mostly from non-league. And riding our luck in at least 2 of the wins (Blackburn and Pompey). Nah, more average than excellent.
Riding our luck at Pompey ? You don't half chat rubbish. We were outstanding and it was a great win.
We played Plymouth off the park, who had previously lost about 1 in 20 (or something like that). We convincingly beat Rotherham who were also on a great run of form. We beat Blackburn, who had lost something like 1 in the previous 30.
We have in the main, been outstanding under Lee Bowyer and I saw all but one of the games.
Whether Bowyer gets/should get the managers job is debateable, but please don't tell the fans that were at the games, that Bowyer wasn't great at motivating those players, because he so utterly and undeniably was.
He was absolutely fantastic at motivating players and giving them a sense of belief.
But I think that papered over his lack of tactical nous and experience.
Plymouth and Northampton were brilliant. Rotherham gave us more trouble than some remember because of the final scoreline, but we got past them with good defending and counter-attacking. But after that, I'd argue we didn't really have any more good footballing performances.
And I do think it's worth digging in to some of the games in the run in a bit more. Shrews away (in the league) they were absolutely awful and couldn't string two passes together. Blackburn rested players, and that was a great performance, but perhaps starting with Dack and Graham might have made a difference. I don't read much into the last day of the season.
Bowyer gave us the type of gritty, determined performances (like Pompey) that we had desperately missed all season, and for about three years really. But that's not something you should rely on all season, especially in this league, because you're going to knacker yourself out and we have a team built to beat people playing football, not a Rotherham.
And then over two legs in the playoffs he got his tactics desperately wrong at The Valley, despite it being clear for everyone to see a flat 4-4-2 against their 4-1-4-1 was going to lead to us being overrun in midfield. And then in the away leg I think the diamond was a better fit, but we had no idea how to break them down (and look, they're a good, physical team), but we lacked the inventiveness and movement up front we showed in his first couple games.
There was a pattern where we were good at knicking a goal then defending for large stretches. And for a team wanting promotion with the type of players we have, I don't think that will work very well over the course of the season. It's exactly the same problem we had this past season (up until Christmas when we started just downright losing leads as well). Unless you're going to rebuild a team in the image of a Shrewsbury, big, burly, athletic, and discard our best footballers like JFC and Fosu and Aribo and Reeves, then I don't think Bowyer's set up will work.
I hope we keep him on the coaching staff. I wouldn't rule him out in the future. But I think he's really inexperienced and I would rather he take the extra time to learn under a manager with more nous and experience, as I think it will benefit him, and us as a club, in the future.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.
When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.
In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.
Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.
He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.
He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.
B+
Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.
It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.
Jacko turned it down, so I doubt he'll want it a few months later.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.
When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.
In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.
Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.
He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.
He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.
B+
Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.
It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.
Jacko turned it down, so I doubt he'll want it a few months later.
Is this true?
Well I thought so, but can't remember where I read it. I wouldn't believe any old person, so thought someone credible said it.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.
When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.
In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.
Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.
He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.
He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.
B+
Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.
It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.
Jacko turned it down, so I doubt he'll want it a few months later.
Is this true?
Well I thought so, but can't remember where I read it. I wouldn't believe any old person, so thought someone credible said it.
Fair enough. It's the first I've heard of it. Woukd have thought more would have been made of it if that info was out there.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.
When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.
In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.
Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.
He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.
He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.
B+
Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.
It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.
Jacko turned it down, so I doubt he'll want it a few months later.
Is this true?
Well I thought so, but can't remember where I read it. I wouldn't believe any old person, so thought someone credible said it.
Fair enough. It's the first I've heard of it. Woukd have thought more would have been made of it if that info was out there.
Agreed, maybe I've lost the plot (don't all agree).
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.
When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.
In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.
Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.
He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.
He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.
B+
Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.
It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.
Jacko turned it down .
Not sure where you heard that. For what it’s worth I heard the opposite
It was definitely on here that someone said that Jackson was offered the role but turned it down, before they turned to Bowyer.
Found that surprising as I thought JJ would see that as a natural progression of his relationship with the Club.
I was hoping if it was true, it was down to the ownership of the Club that made him make his decision.
I do hope that any new owner would approach JJ again, as despite me liking both the Bowyer and SCP alternatives, I really believe JJ would be the best option for us at the current time.
It was definitely on here that someone said that Jackson was offered the role but turned it down, before they turned to Bowyer.
Found that surprising as I thought JJ would see that as a natural progression of his relationship with the Club.
I was hoping if it was true, it was down to the ownership of the Club that made him make his decision.
I do hope that any new owner would approach JJ again, as despite me liking both the Bowyer and SCP alternatives, I really believe JJ would be the best option for us at the current time.
It was definitely on here that someone said that Jackson was offered the role but turned it down, before they turned to Bowyer.
Found that surprising as I thought JJ would see that as a natural progression of his relationship with the Club.
I was hoping if it was true, it was down to the ownership of the Club that made him make his decision.
I do hope that any new owner would approach JJ again, as despite me liking both the Bowyer and SCP alternatives, I really believe JJ would be the best option for us at the current time.
IF JJ turned it down I suspect it would have been because he is in no way qualified or good enough to do the job at the moment and would know that.
I think you must have been too close to Rolly and his ideas have permeated your brain. This is not the time for a youthful punt. JJ’s time will come, but right now we need a bit of craft and experience to get out of this league.
It was definitely on here that someone said that Jackson was offered the role but turned it down, before they turned to Bowyer.
Found that surprising as I thought JJ would see that as a natural progression of his relationship with the Club.
I was hoping if it was true, it was down to the ownership of the Club that made him make his decision.
I do hope that any new owner would approach JJ again, as despite me liking both the Bowyer and SCP alternatives, I really believe JJ would be the best option for us at the current time.
IF JJ turned it down I suspect it would have been because he is in no way qualified or good enough to do the job at the moment and would know that.
I think you must have been too close to Rolly and his ideas have permeated your brain. This is not the time for a youthful punt. JJ’s time will come, but right now we need a bit of craft and experience to get out of this league.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more/ has more motivational abilty, by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
I'm astounded anyone could question the motivation ability of a man that turned a team of light weights into a team that won the vast majority of their battles. He absolutely transformed most of the players, who were barely recognisable, from earlier in the season.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
I dont think that was hard after Gobbo and everyone else we've had - do you?
Yes, I do think it was hard, extremely hard. No one else managed it, no one else even got close. Bowyer's motivation skills since he took over were sublime. Most fans had written off our chances of making the play offs.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more/ has more motivational abilty, by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
I'm astounded anyone could question the motivation ability of a man that turned a team of light weights into a team that won the vast majority of their battles. He absolutely transformed most of the players, who were barely recognisable, from earlier in the season.
I dont recall 6 out of 12 being the vast majority. I spoke to Patrick Bauer shortly after the Pompey game, and asked him if there was any major difference, and his reply was 'no real difference, aside from playing 2 up front , which seemed to release eveyone into playing a system they could recognise and fit into' - it wasnt rocket science.
I'm talking about tackling, winning tackles. Players that previously couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, were winning most of their challenges. If you were there you would have seen it, but you weren't, so you're speaking from a position of ignorance and not best placed to pass judgement.
As Airman said....... you do talk a load of pompous bollocks.
37 likes for me v 4 for you on this discussion. It's pretty clear who the majority agree with on whether Bowyer motivated the Charlton players or not.
Sorry for the count up, it's pathetic I know.
By attending games your arguement was in a position of strength.
Out of nowhere an associate who doesn’t know about my one way love affair with SCP asked me if he was a dick . After I made him wash his mouth out with soap and water and say the Lord Curbs prayer 3 times I said no he’s a gentlemen . He said a fella he works with has a nephew or son or someone who plays at Southend and SCP doesn’t really interact with the players much and is a bit distant . I immediately called the character in question a dick and wasn’t having any of it .
Or maybe SCP is distant cos he knows he’s coming Back to The Valley .
Anyway what a load of shit , sorry you had to read it but I haven’t posted for a while .
Manager at the start of next season
15% SCP ...... 25% Lee Lee Lee Bowyer .... 5% Harry Kewell ..... 55% some dullard who will take us nowhere
100% Roland Out
When SCP first came to Charlton he got to the end of the season and then changed virtually the whole playing squad. Maybe he is planning the same and doesnt want to get too close to any players before he brings in his own squad.
I would be extremely surprised if SCP leaves Southend after such a short time. Its just not in his character.
According to the slp apparently Chris Powell was approached before he got the Southend job, but obviously the takeover took longer than expected and he’s now there. No recent approach.
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@The_President admits he spouts a load of tosh !
Who'd have believed it ? Take note before he changes his mind .....
Sorry for the count up, it's pathetic I know.
Anyway give Bowyer the job I’m sure with the right support he could work more miracles
COYR
But I think that papered over his lack of tactical nous and experience.
Plymouth and Northampton were brilliant. Rotherham gave us more trouble than some remember because of the final scoreline, but we got past them with good defending and counter-attacking. But after that, I'd argue we didn't really have any more good footballing performances.
And I do think it's worth digging in to some of the games in the run in a bit more. Shrews away (in the league) they were absolutely awful and couldn't string two passes together. Blackburn rested players, and that was a great performance, but perhaps starting with Dack and Graham might have made a difference. I don't read much into the last day of the season.
Bowyer gave us the type of gritty, determined performances (like Pompey) that we had desperately missed all season, and for about three years really. But that's not something you should rely on all season, especially in this league, because you're going to knacker yourself out and we have a team built to beat people playing football, not a Rotherham.
And then over two legs in the playoffs he got his tactics desperately wrong at The Valley, despite it being clear for everyone to see a flat 4-4-2 against their 4-1-4-1 was going to lead to us being overrun in midfield. And then in the away leg I think the diamond was a better fit, but we had no idea how to break them down (and look, they're a good, physical team), but we lacked the inventiveness and movement up front we showed in his first couple games.
There was a pattern where we were good at knicking a goal then defending for large stretches. And for a team wanting promotion with the type of players we have, I don't think that will work very well over the course of the season. It's exactly the same problem we had this past season (up until Christmas when we started just downright losing leads as well). Unless you're going to rebuild a team in the image of a Shrewsbury, big, burly, athletic, and discard our best footballers like JFC and Fosu and Aribo and Reeves, then I don't think Bowyer's set up will work.
I hope we keep him on the coaching staff. I wouldn't rule him out in the future. But I think he's really inexperienced and I would rather he take the extra time to learn under a manager with more nous and experience, as I think it will benefit him, and us as a club, in the future.
I wouldn't believe any old person, so thought someone credible said it.
Found that surprising as I thought JJ would see that as a natural progression of his relationship with the Club.
I was hoping if it was true, it was down to the ownership of the Club that made him make his decision.
I do hope that any new owner would approach JJ again, as despite me liking both the Bowyer and SCP alternatives, I really believe JJ would be the best option for us at the current time.
I think you must have been too close to Rolly and his ideas have permeated your brain. This is not the time for a youthful punt. JJ’s time will come, but right now we need a bit of craft and experience to get out of this league.
If only Murray had realised how inexperienced Curbishley was and what a car crash was going to happen.
Or the dynamic duo, when they appointed the inexperienced Powell.
Never mind, let's go out and get Pelligrini for £10m.
Now is exactly the right time to appoint a Manager who 'knows' Charlton Athletic Football Club and everything it stands for.
You cannot guarantee success with any manager. But I at least want one who understands how to go down fighting.
I can't think of three better individuals who understand what us getting the double over the spanners would mean.
No recent approach.