The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

The Red Robin

Acab said:

Goonerhater said:

Reams ???? The guy who gets free tickets off of The Cloob for the lounge etc and was their mouth piece ??? but let's take what he says as kosher ---- nahhhhh I don't think so

T_C_E said:

"Horrible, dirty little scroat, nasty piece of work"
Sounds like a perfect candidate for a COO

Henry Irving said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

If Ashley is part of a proposed group then that surely won't be happening. Newcastle aren't even close to being taken over, and the latest is that Ashley has upped his asking price yet again.

So if RD has a buyer close to purchasing us in the next 1-2 weeks he's surely going to take that rather than fund us throughout the summer (and for however many more months), on the off chance Newcastle gets sold soon.

Ashley? Where did his name come from?

The Red Robin said:

Taxi_Lad said:

Not as impressive as Roland’s plans for Sparrows Lane

Is that the Somme?

I think so, yes.

The_President

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MuttleyCAFC said:

Appointing Bowyer wasn't a masterstroke by Roland - he was simply the cheap option for an owner who didn't care. That he did an excellent job is credit to him and JJ.

I know we have a low acceptance level us Charlton fans, but i would suggest that 6 'good' games allied with 6 shit ones is more average than 'excellent' ?

Manicmania

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

The_President

5 games of not even looking likely to score , and losing twice in playoffs is a bit less than excellent.

Mal

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

blackpool72

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

The_President

Comprehensively beaten in both games over 2 legs by a team built mostly from non-league. And riding our luck in at least 2 of the wins (Blackburn and Pompey).
Nah, more average than excellent.

Manicmania

Bowyer did an excellent job in the circumstances. he could have had 10 shit games and it wouldn't change my view - he got us into the play-offs which is a borderline miracle with what he had to contend with in the back room, the position and squad confidence level he inherited and the run in we had. Nothing average about it.

The_President

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

Covered End

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more/ has more motivational abilty, by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

I'm astounded anyone could question the motivation ability of a man that turned a team of light weights into a team that won the vast majority of their battles. He absolutely transformed most of the players, who were barely recognisable, from earlier in the season.

The_President

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

I dont think that was hard after Gobbo and everyone else we've had - do you?

The_President

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more/ has more motivational abilty, by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

I'm astounded anyone could question the motivation ability of a man that turned a team of light weights into a team that won the vast majority of their battles. He absolutely transformed most of the players, who were barely recognisable, from earlier in the season.

I dont recall 6 out of 12 being the vast majority.
I spoke to Patrick Bauer shortly after the Pompey game, and asked him if there was any major difference, and his reply was 'no real difference, aside from playing 2 up front , which seemed to release eveyone into playing a system they could recognise and fit into' - it wasnt rocket science.

Covered End

The_President said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

I dont think that was hard after Gobbo and everyone else we've had - do you?

Yes, I do think it was hard, extremely hard.
No one else managed it, no one else even got close.
Bowyer's motivation skills since he took over were sublime.
Most fans had written off our chances of making the play offs.

Henry Irving

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.

When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.

In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.

Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.

He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.

He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.

B+

KiwiValley

You know when you think about it, what's Duchatelet actually achieved for the club?

Think about it.

Time for him to go i reckon.

Covered End

The_President said:

Comprehensively beaten in both games over 2 legs by a team built mostly from non-league. And riding our luck in at least 2 of the wins (Blackburn and Pompey).
Nah, more average than excellent.

Riding our luck at Pompey ?
You don't half chat rubbish.
We were outstanding and it was a great win.

We played Plymouth off the park, who had previously lost about 1 in 20 (or something like that).
We convincingly beat Rotherham who were also on a great run of form.
We beat Blackburn, who had lost something like 1 in the previous 30.

We have in the main, been outstanding under Lee Bowyer and I saw all but one of the games.

Whether Bowyer gets/should get the managers job is debateable, but please don't tell the fans that were at the games, that Bowyer wasn't great at motivating those players, because he so utterly and undeniably was.

The Red Robin

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.

When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.

In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.

Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.

He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.

He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.

B+

Spot on that. Case closed.

The_President

Covered End said:

The_President said:

Comprehensively beaten in both games over 2 legs by a team built mostly from non-league. And riding our luck in at least 2 of the wins (Blackburn and Pompey).
Nah, more average than excellent.

Riding our luck at Pompey ?
You don't half chat rubbish.
We were outstanding and it was a great win.

And I talk rubbish!

Covered End

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

Rochdale was a meaningless game, that it mattered not whether we won or lost 100-0.
Bowyer and Jackson had the sense to try and preserve the players for the play offs.

JamesSeed

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.

When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.

In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.

Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.

He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.

He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.

B+

This, again.

Todds_right_hook

The_President said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

Comprehensively beaten in both games over 2 legs by a team built mostly from non-league. And riding our luck in at least 2 of the wins (Blackburn and Pompey).
Nah, more average than excellent.

Riding our luck at Pompey ?
You don't half chat rubbish.
We were outstanding and it was a great win.

And I talk rubbish!

Yes

Covered End

The_President said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more/ has more motivational abilty, by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

I'm astounded anyone could question the motivation ability of a man that turned a team of light weights into a team that won the vast majority of their battles. He absolutely transformed most of the players, who were barely recognisable, from earlier in the season.

I dont recall 6 out of 12 being the vast majority.
I spoke to Patrick Bauer shortly after the Pompey game, and asked him if there was any major difference, and his reply was 'no real difference, aside from playing 2 up front , which seemed to release eveyone into playing a system they could recognise and fit into' - it wasnt rocket science.

I'm talking about tackling, winning tackles. Players that previously couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, were winning most of their challenges. If you were there you would have seen it, but you weren't, so you're speaking from a position of ignorance and not best placed to pass judgement.

Exiled_Addick

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.

When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.

In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.

Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.

He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.

He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.

B+

Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.

It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.

ShootersHillGuru

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

“Not quite the brightest spark” ?

I think Lee Bowyers interviews with the presss were more than impressive. Measured, thoughtful, motivational and modest.

I’m not saying Bowyers the best man for the job but I am saying that out of the likely candidates available he deserves to be seriously considered. That is a fact.

The_President

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more/ has more motivational abilty, by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

I'm astounded anyone could question the motivation ability of a man that turned a team of light weights into a team that won the vast majority of their battles. He absolutely transformed most of the players, who were barely recognisable, from earlier in the season.

Covered End said:

The_President said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

I dont think that was hard after Gobbo and everyone else we've had - do you?

Yes, I do think it was hard, extremely hard.
No one else managed it, no one else even got close.
Bowyer's motivation skills since he took over were sublime.
Most fans had written off our chances of making the play offs.

Covered End said:

The_President said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more/ has more motivational abilty, by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

I'm astounded anyone could question the motivation ability of a man that turned a team of light weights into a team that won the vast majority of their battles. He absolutely transformed most of the players, who were barely recognisable, from earlier in the season.

I dont recall 6 out of 12 being the vast majority.
I spoke to Patrick Bauer shortly after the Pompey game, and asked him if there was any major difference, and his reply was 'no real difference, aside from playing 2 up front , which seemed to release eveyone into playing a system they could recognise and fit into' - it wasnt rocket science.

I'm talking about tackling, winning tackles. Players that previously couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, were winning most of their challenges. If you were there you would have seen it, but you weren't, so you're speaking from a position of ignorance and not best placed to pass judgement.

As Airman said....... you do talk a load of pompous bollocks.

Covered End

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.

When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.

In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.

Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.

He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.

He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.

B+

Exactly. Mind you you're at an advantage having watched most of the games.

Braziliance

http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/77989/lee-bowyer/p1

killerandflash

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.

When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.

In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.

Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.

He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.

He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.

B+

Agreed, he did an excellent job getting us into the playoffs. The positivity on this board and in the crowd was really noticeable.

After that, our performances in the playoffs were a bit underwhelming, whether the effort to get there took its toll (in retrospect Shrewsbury had been pacing themselves at the end of the normal season, explaining their poorer results) is debatable.

Sage

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I’ve got to say, and I apologise, but this is a load of rubbish.

As a sports scientist, I don’t claim to be a physiotherapist, and if I did I know people who are that would get annoyed.

It’s the same in this respect. Robinson is a football manager but he talks so much rubbish that he tries to make himself sound as if he knows more than he does. He is not anything except a qualified UEFA A Licensed Coach. However, with Bowyer, you have a straight talking man who early on claimed not to be a medical person, so to use this as an example is useless.

The fact is, Bowyer took over a team that was failing, that was demoralised, that was getting picked over a week in advance causing players to feel unwanted and as if what was the point, and that was going nowhere but mid table mediocrity. He took over, got them working hard, battling for each other and won enough games to somehow get us top six.

Yes, we failed in the play-offs, and we shouldn’t have lost against Wimbledon and Scunthorpe in that week, but we got beaten by a physical team that finished way above and were in the top two for most of the season.

What people don’t realise is that our average age in that second leg of the play offs... 23.2 years old.

We all know the problem we had the season just gone, I am certain Bowyer knows that, but for such a young team, he worked a miracle to get us top six from where we were.

Maybe this is way off track, but please, have some reason with what you write.

Covered End

Exiled_Addick said:

Henry Irving said:

Covered End said:

The_President said:

blackpool72 said:

Mal said:

Manicmania said:

Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.

offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale

But he had to try with gobshite players.

I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players

Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do.
I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.

I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.

Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.

When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.

In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.

Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.

He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.

He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.

B+

Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.

It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.

Jacko turned it down, so I doubt he'll want it a few months later.