If only Murray had realised how inexperienced Curbishley was and what a car crash was going to happen.
Or the dynamic duo, when they appointed the inexperienced Powell.
Never mind, let's go out and get Pelligrini for £10m.
Now is exactly the right time to appoint a Manager who 'knows' Charlton Athletic Football Club and everything it stands for.
You cannot guarantee success with any manager. But I at least want one who understands how to go down fighting.
I can't think of three better individuals who understand what us getting the double over the spanners would mean.
SCP was a player coach from 2009. By the time we appointed him in 2011 he had worked as a coach for 3 different managers including Sven.
Powell played at the highest league level and of course was an English international and PFA chairman for 5 years.
Powell also accepted the role of caretaker role at Leicester.
I would not call that inexperienced.
The thin ice of your argument collapsed when you suggest it is either JJ or spending £10 million.
If the only two candidates were JJ and Bows, it would be Bow for me. That said, I would hope they would be looking for the best person for the job that the budget allows. I’ll bet a whole shilling that it is not JJ.
Beating 3 of the top 4 is a bit better than average.
offset by losing to Wimbledon and Rochdale
But he had to try with gobshite players.
I would love to see what he could achieve with his own players
Give you that, but, if you listen to Louis Mendez and his analogy of the difference when interveiweing Gobshite and Lee, with Scousegit saying 'he's upset the third metarsal, and sustaned impact peripheral muscle damage' to Lees 'he's hurt his foot', this worries me about the motivational ability from Lee. Now, we all know what Lee's like, and he doesnt come over as the brightest spark, and i doubt his motivational skills to get 105 per cent from the team, which is what all 'excellent' managers seem to be able to do. I woldnt mind him being manager - i think we could do better - but i think we are too hung up on getting a 'Charlton man'.
I think it was pretty clear that Lee Bowyer got more from the players by a country mile than any previous manager since Chris Powell.
Bowyer did well. He was better than average and in the end not quite excellent.
When he took over the squad were demoralised and losing. He changed the formation and got some good games out of previously under-performing players.
In the end a Shewsbury side who finished 16 points ahead of us were, surprise, surprise, better than us. If we'd had Fosu fit it might have been closer but we had to rely on Kaikia and Mavididi, players he didn't sign.
Remember when Lee took over we weren't even looking like making the play-offs.
He won 6, drew 1 and lost 3 of his ten league games. 19 points from a possible 30, just under the two points a game that would have meant promotion over a season and in one of those, Rochdale, we had nothing to play for.
He also lifted the crowd, didn't talk bollocks non-stop (although I thought his "we were the better team" statement in the play-offs was incorrect and only inspired Shrewsbury.
B+
Agreed, he did a good, but not quite the amazing one some would have us believe. He was good enough that he very much should be inconsideration for the full time position, but not so good that we should assume there can't possibly be a better potential appointment out there.
It's interesting that the thing that changed overall the most, other than a bit of spirit coming back into the side, was our defensive organization and even Bowyer largely credits Jacko with that. I wonder if Jacko might be the real brains behind the operation. Personally I think Jacko actually would be a better fit for the job long term.
Jacko turned it down, so I doubt he'll want it a few months later.
Is this true?
Well I thought so, but can't remember where I read it. I wouldn't believe any old person, so thought someone credible said it.
@Covered End I believe I remember seeing that Jackson didn’t exactly turn it down, but he didn’t want to take it on at that specific time. He found the role he had this past season challenging, going from player mode to coaching mode as such.
I don’t think it would’ve been right or fair, and I think he felt the same when he knew he was retiring from playing, so it was pretty much a mutual agreement that it was best for Bowyer to take charge.
The original story was that Jackson would take charge for the remaining games when a Robinson left, but once Bowyer got the job, I think there may have been an article on the South London Press website explaining all and why they agreed as a club at the time for Jackson not to take the caretaker role. - I may be wrong on that however.
We all know how hard it has been for him to hang up his boots for good, and taking the role would’ve meant we wouldn’t have seen him again from that moment onwards. So to allow the best decision for someone to be solely and completely focused on being manager at that time, Bowyer was the most logical decision.
Phew. If only Murray had realised how inexperienced Curbishley was and what a car crash was going to happen.
Or the dynamic duo, when they appointed the inexperienced Powell.
Never mind, let's go out and get Pelligrini for £10m.
Now is exactly the right time to appoint a Manager who 'knows' Charlton Athletic Football Club and everything it stands for.
You cannot guarantee success with any manager. But I at least want one who understands how to go down fighting.
I can't think of three better individuals who understand what us getting the double over the spanners would mean.
Curbishley had been managing with Steve Gritt for four years before Murray appointed him sole manager in 1995. The 1991 appointment was driven by Mike Norris and Arnie Warren - Murray has said himself he had little input - and was mainly about saving money. Both Gritt and Curbishley were already on the payroll as players (and part-time coaches).
Mick McCarthy with all his experience would toughen up our team but also make us boring ,but I think he would get us out of this crap division
If I’m honest, sounds like exactly what we need!
I wouldnt moan if he was appointed manager.
Don't get me wrong, Bowyer has certainly earned the right to be considered for the job. Yes the games we lost under him were lost poorly without much fight but he dragged us out of a pretty shit situation.
McCarthy will be a good fit for this league. Loves a physical team and plus wont take no shit from players.
Any of those 2 would be good unless theres a curveball...just not Harry Kewell though.
I can’t believe that JJ was offered the job ahead of Bows. Nothing to do with ability, but that would left Bows in a very difficult position and I think he would have left, which would have been a huge mess.
If only Murray had realised how inexperienced Curbishley was and what a car crash was going to happen.
Or the dynamic duo, when they appointed the inexperienced Powell.
Never mind, let's go out and get Pelligrini for £10m.
Now is exactly the right time to appoint a Manager who 'knows' Charlton Athletic Football Club and everything it stands for.
You cannot guarantee success with any manager. But I at least want one who understands how to go down fighting.
I can't think of three better individuals who understand what us getting the double over the spanners would mean.
Has to be a Charlton man in my opinion. I don't want another chancer from the Football League like Slade or Robinson.
Sorry mate, sounds too much like the RD mentality of keeping it within a small circle of known contacts. I'd like to see us going for the best available on our Budget with a track record of success. Bowyer has certainly earned the right to throw his hat into the ring, but the priority should be promotion, not maintaining a set of ex players in important postions at the club.
If only Murray had realised how inexperienced Curbishley was and what a car crash was going to happen.
Or the dynamic duo, when they appointed the inexperienced Powell.
Never mind, let's go out and get Pelligrini for £10m.
Now is exactly the right time to appoint a Manager who 'knows' Charlton Athletic Football Club and everything it stands for.
You cannot guarantee success with any manager. But I at least want one who understands how to go down fighting.
I can't think of three better individuals who understand what us getting the double over the spanners would mean.
SCP was a player coach from 2009. By the time we appointed him in 2011 he had worked as a coach for 3 different managers including Sven.
Powell played at the highest league level and of course was an English international and PFA chairman for 5 years.
Powell also accepted the role of caretaker role at Leicester.
I would not call that inexperienced.
The thin ice of your argument collapsed when you suggest it is either JJ or spending £10 million.
If the only two candidates were JJ and Bows, it would be Bow for me. That said, I would hope they would be looking for the best person for the job that the budget allows. I’ll bet a whole shilling that it is not JJ.
The thin edge of yours is that you've managed to conveniently forget to acknowledge Curbishley in your post and I'm still trying to find where I mention JJ or indeed spending £10m.
Phew. If only Murray had realised how inexperienced Curbishley was and what a car crash was going to happen.
Or the dynamic duo, when they appointed the inexperienced Powell.
Never mind, let's go out and get Pelligrini for £10m.
Now is exactly the right time to appoint a Manager who 'knows' Charlton Athletic Football Club and everything it stands for.
You cannot guarantee success with any manager. But I at least want one who understands how to go down fighting.
I can't think of three better individuals who understand what us getting the double over the spanners would mean.
Curbishley had been managing with Steve Gritt for four years before Murray appointed him sole manager in 1995. The 1991 appointment was driven by Mike Norris and Arnie Warren - Murray has said himself he had little input - and was mainly about saving money. Both Gritt and Curbishley were already on the payroll as players (and part-time coaches).
Bowyer did well but also seemed one-dimensional...4-1-2-1-2 diamond almost every game.
That said, I'd be happy if he got the job. I think he'd learn quickly and develop into a very good manager.
Bowyer had to make do with the players that he had available. He couldn't bring anyone in so had to play the best available formation (that wasn't 4231)
And he did very well considering.
Imagine how good he could do if he was given backing and allowed to build his own team.
Charlton needs to be rebuilt. Every aspect of the club needs carefully and considerately to be re-engineered so that it is no longer not fit for purpose. That's not to say that some people and some areas of the club are still delivering well. For example, Olly Groome is doing a great job in my opinion. As are Jason Euell and Steve Avory. But their jobs - and everyone else's - will need reshaping and refocusing and soon - I hope - each role will have a new focus and new energy.
Because the legacy of Roland Duchatalet's embarrassing - for him and for us - ownership of the club is one of broken ineptitude, scatter-gun diplomacy and failure heaped upon failure. We fans don't know what the club is trying to do any more. The staff seem only focused on delivering the latest, direction-changing instruction. And the owner oscillates between blind incompetence and complete disinterest. He's come very close to ruining a great institution and for that reason he should never be forgotten or forgiven.
Despite his cataclysmic ownership, we came within two wins of promotion, bolstered by a manager successfully rebuilding and harnessing a spirit that changed under-performing players into an over-performing team. But a close brush with promotion this season does not guarantee a better return next season. On the contrary, with some of the best players no doubt leaving in the Summer, for various reasons, we're starting from behind square one. Right now, we look in bad shape for next season. But next season's not here and - we hope - a lot of things are going to change between now and then.
What's the point of this post? It's just a bit of gentle encouragement to everyone to look beyond the short-term. If the takeover goes through, we shouldn't judge the new owners on their immediate actions. They'll appoint a permanent manager, no doubt; they'll let some players go; they'll sign some more. All of these will be tiny indications of the success they will deliver. But don't panic if the manager isn't the person you want it to be. Don't worry if the signings aren't as stellar as we might hope. Don't get too concerned if we are mid-table at Christmas.
Because the new owners will have a longer-term plan. They need to hire good people in the key roles: CEO, Chairman, Manager. And those people are going to have to make big, long-term decisions. They will look beyond the fans' immediate horizon. They know that the promotion failure this season is a pity, rather than a disaster. They know that recruitment isn't going to be cheap. And they know hiring the right manager is a crucial component of a long-term plan, not a quick fix method to "improve our ranking" over the next few weeks. They seem to be giving out exactly the right messages; and, from what I have heard (and I have heard no more than anyone else) they seem to be the right sort of people for Charlton.
A five-year plan to get Charlton to the Premier League is very ambitious. That doesn't mean it's unrealistic; but it also means that we shouldn't get down-hearted if it's not accomplished, nor if the method of getting there comprises sliding down snakes as well as clambering up ladders. But it's great to have ambition - something SE7 has lacked during the disastrous Duchatelet years.
Will we be in a better position in a few years' time? Who knows? But, dammit, for what it's worth, I think we will.
For the first time in a very great number of years, I think we're going to be alright.
Thank you Chizz, one of those posts I wish I had written.
A five year plan to achieve promotion to the PL is very ambitious and if that is indeed the intention of new owners we should all welcome that level of ambition and be excited by it.
It’s two promotions and will be very difficult. I would go further and say that unless that first promotion is achieved this coming season the plan already looks pretty much unacheivable although I agree not impossible.
For me I would expect serious investment in the squad this coming close season. Anything else will ring alarm bells as to the reality of that ambition. At some point to achieve the plan investment will need to be made so why not at the start of the journey.
By kick off I think we’ll have many of the answers if not all of them.
Awww even their South Stand has a tower block behind it... How sweet
The surroundings look a bit like the Peninsula (there's water anyway).
The plot thickens.
Most Aussie teams dont actually own the grounds they play at...they hire them.
And amazingly they have this quaint idea of taking a decent rent and/or a share of the ticket revenue instead of letting the club use it for free and have the stadium running costs paid by the taxpayers.
Phew. If only Murray had realised how inexperienced Curbishley was and what a car crash was going to happen.
Or the dynamic duo, when they appointed the inexperienced Powell.
Never mind, let's go out and get Pelligrini for £10m.
Now is exactly the right time to appoint a Manager who 'knows' Charlton Athletic Football Club and everything it stands for.
You cannot guarantee success with any manager. But I at least want one who understands how to go down fighting.
I can't think of three better individuals who understand what us getting the double over the spanners would mean.
Curbishley had been managing with Steve Gritt for four years before Murray appointed him sole manager in 1995. The 1991 appointment was driven by Mike Norris and Arnie Warren - Murray has said himself he had little input - and was mainly about saving money. Both Gritt and Curbishley were already on the payroll as players (and part-time coaches).
So it was Murray who appointed him sole manager?
Yes, but you were saying he was inexperienced when that happened (in 1995). He had four years’ experience at that point.
Bowyer did well but also seemed one-dimensional...4-1-2-1-2 diamond almost every game.
That said, I'd be happy if he got the job. I think he'd learn quickly and develop into a very good manager.
Bowyer had to make do with the players that he had available. He couldn't bring anyone in so had to play the best available formation (that wasn't 4231)
And he did very well considering.
Imagine how good he could do if he was given backing and allowed to build his own team.
By no means saying I don't want Bowyer, but nobody knows do they. Robinson was very stubbornness in his approach but he signed some very good players and for all the faults of his formation, he signed players to suit that formation and did it reasonably well.
Of course we will never know with Bowyer unless he gets that opportunity but his lack of experience is a concern IMO
A five year plan to achieve promotion to the PL is very ambitious and if that is indeed the intention of new owners we should all welcome that level of ambition and be excited by it.
It’s two promotions and will be very difficult. I would go further and say that unless that first promotion is achieved this coming season the plan already looks pretty much unacheivable although I agree not impossible.
For me I would expect serious investment in the squad this coming close season. Anything else will ring alarm bells as to the reality of that ambition. At some point to achieve the plan investment will need to be made so why not at the start of the journey.
By kick off I think we’ll have many of the answers if not all of them.
Every owner that buys a football club these days says the same thing unless of course the club is already in the Premiership. I would not read anything into it or get excited by it, stock statement.
A five year plan to achieve promotion to the PL is very ambitious and if that is indeed the intention of new owners we should all welcome that level of ambition and be excited by it.
It’s two promotions and will be very difficult. I would go further and say that unless that first promotion is achieved this coming season the plan already looks pretty much unacheivable although I agree not impossible.
For me I would expect serious investment in the squad this coming close season. Anything else will ring alarm bells as to the reality of that ambition. At some point to achieve the plan investment will need to be made so why not at the start of the journey.
By kick off I think we’ll have many of the answers if not all of them.
Every owner that buys a football club these days says the same thing unless of course the club is already in the Premiership. I would not read anything into it or get excited by it, stock statement.
Well I would suggest it’s better than not being interested in results like our current owner. As for every new owner saying that. Perhaps. It’s why I said that we’ll have the answers to most of our questions by kick off. This squad minus Dasilva and Amos have zip chance of getting out of the league we are in. Investment and significant investment will be required. If we see Josh and Nicky plus KAG as three of our front line striking options then the question will have been answered. We need probably 8 - 10 players to get out of league one.
A five year plan to achieve promotion to the PL is very ambitious and if that is indeed the intention of new owners we should all welcome that level of ambition and be excited by it.
It’s two promotions and will be very difficult. I would go further and say that unless that first promotion is achieved this coming season the plan already looks pretty much unacheivable although I agree not impossible.
For me I would expect serious investment in the squad this coming close season. Anything else will ring alarm bells as to the reality of that ambition. At some point to achieve the plan investment will need to be made so why not at the start of the journey.
By kick off I think we’ll have many of the answers if not all of them.
Every owner that buys a football club these days says the same thing unless of course the club is already in the Premiership. I would not read anything into it or get excited by it, stock statement.
Every business of every type seems to have a 5 year plan!
A five year plan to achieve promotion to the PL is very ambitious and if that is indeed the intention of new owners we should all welcome that level of ambition and be excited by it.
It’s two promotions and will be very difficult. I would go further and say that unless that first promotion is achieved this coming season the plan already looks pretty much unacheivable although I agree not impossible.
For me I would expect serious investment in the squad this coming close season. Anything else will ring alarm bells as to the reality of that ambition. At some point to achieve the plan investment will need to be made so why not at the start of the journey.
By kick off I think we’ll have many of the answers if not all of them.
Every owner that buys a football club these days says the same thing unless of course the club is already in the Premiership. I would not read anything into it or get excited by it, stock statement.
Well I would suggest it’s better than not being interested in results like our current owner. As for every new owner saying that. Perhaps. It’s why I said that we’ll have the answers to most of our questions by kick off. This squad minus Dasilva and Amos have zip chance of getting out of the league we are in. Investment and significant investment will be required. If we see Josh and Nicky plus KAG as three of our front line striking options then the question will have been answered. We need probably 8 - 10 players to get out of league one.
GK 2 FB's CM Winger 2 Strikers So yeah I would say that's 7 minimum, and that's without losing Konsa and Kashi
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Powell played at the highest league level and of course was an English international and PFA chairman for 5 years.
Powell also accepted the role of caretaker role at Leicester.
I would not call that inexperienced.
The thin ice of your argument collapsed when you suggest it is either JJ or spending £10 million.
If the only two candidates were JJ and Bows, it would be Bow for me. That said, I would hope they would be looking for the best person for the job that the budget allows. I’ll bet a whole shilling that it is not JJ.
I don’t think it would’ve been right or fair, and I think he felt the same when he knew he was retiring from playing, so it was pretty much a mutual agreement that it was best for Bowyer to take charge.
The original story was that Jackson would take charge for the remaining games when a Robinson left, but once Bowyer got the job, I think there may have been an article on the South London Press website explaining all and why they agreed as a club at the time for Jackson not to take the caretaker role. - I may be wrong on that however.
We all know how hard it has been for him to hang up his boots for good, and taking the role would’ve meant we wouldn’t have seen him again from that moment onwards. So to allow the best decision for someone to be solely and completely focused on being manager at that time, Bowyer was the most logical decision.
Don't get me wrong, Bowyer has certainly earned the right to be considered for the job. Yes the games we lost under him were lost poorly without much fight but he dragged us out of a pretty shit situation.
McCarthy will be a good fit for this league. Loves a physical team and plus wont take no shit from players.
Any of those 2 would be good unless theres a curveball...just not Harry Kewell though.
However, not sure of the relevance of any of this now tbh
That said, I'd be happy if he got the job. I think he'd learn quickly and develop into a very good manager.
And he did very well considering.
Imagine how good he could do if he was given backing and allowed to build his own team.
It’s two promotions and will be very difficult. I would go further and say that unless that first promotion is achieved this coming season the plan already looks pretty much unacheivable although I agree not impossible.
For me I would expect serious investment in the squad this coming close season. Anything else will ring alarm bells as to the reality of that ambition. At some point to achieve the plan investment will need to be made so why not at the start of the journey.
By kick off I think we’ll have many of the answers if not all of them.
Of course we will never know with Bowyer unless he gets that opportunity but his lack of experience is a concern IMO
2 FB's
CM
Winger
2 Strikers
So yeah I would say that's 7 minimum, and that's without losing Konsa and Kashi