The General Election - June 8th 2017
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Can you give some examples?Rob7Lee said:
I must have missed that...... was this in the fully costed manifesto?Friend Or Defoe said:
Corbyn said he would like to clear the debt of those that paid £9k a year. To answer your question why is it fair that the likes of you and I paid significantly less than £9k a year and older generations nothing?DamoNorthStand said:The latest I have heard is that Labour want to clear student debts currently incurred by graduates but I need to check on the details.... Is this the case?
Nobody cleared mine - why do people get a free pass to get their debts cleared rather than do what everyone else has to do which is go to work? It was my choice to go to uni and I don't expect the taxpayer to cover my bill at the end of it
What about the older generations who didn't get a lot of the benefits that are around now, do we need to refund the 60+ year olds for what they didn't get but would now?
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Fasten you seatbelt the press are getting worried and that usually means desperate headlines. When we get 'Corbyn eats babies' or 'Rold Harris to be new Labour chancellor', Labour might be winning! I think they diminish themselves by simply pushing what their press baron owners tell them to. A newspaper should report news fairly, but most don't even bother with reporting news at all! No wonder less and less people are buying them. If you want to know what is going on in the world, they are not the best place to find out!4
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You've just reminded me of happy times reading Eighteenth Century manuscripts (when the spelling was still "interesting" but the handwriting was massively improving).ken_shabby said:Following this closely from Spain. I make Damo right. Political threads on CL tend to the right for me, and this one is unusual in that the right voters seem to have drifted left or decided to avoid posting. I doubt very much it represents the general view in the UK, but let"s be frank, CL doesn't always reflect the views of all Charlton fans either.
As for the debate, I am starting to wonder if Teresa May has decided to 'throw' this election as she can see, as a remainer, the fallout that will hit the government who negotiate this daft idea. And I say remainer, though revolving door would describe her pofition better3 -
But if they googled '3 day week' they might discover it happened under Heath's Tory government!MuttleyCAFC said:
This. Every day I see another 200 new threads & despair when I read some of them. I'm thinking of voting labour just so I can see the mess we will be in by 2022.golfaddick said:.
Has something changed across the demographic of Charlton Life? Do we have a younger user base than two years ago? Do we have our own 'bubble' a la London and the EU blockquote>
This site / thread must be 85-90pc Labour which has no relation whatsoever to the voting intentions across the country.
If some of you are under 40 then perhaps trying googling "winter of discontent" or "3 day week" and se what the socialist policies of the 1970's got us.
If you're under 40 and don't remember Britain in the EU, google 'Sick man of Europe'
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@NornIrishAddick . Big fingers, small keypad and dream of eighteenth century spelling.
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Jeremy and the magic money tree - somehow cant see it being a best seller, as per usual the bbc with a very bias audience, the world and politics before everyone had a jostle over the stuff they read on twitter thus making them an expert on it, corbyn bangs on and on and on about class war etc, but then his latest pamphlet or whatever its called, is pretty much alluding that in britian the people mentioned dont have equal opportunites - which is bollocks in this day and age.
edit; making it a race war
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If you're under 40 and don't remember the time before Britain joined the EU, google 'Sick man of Europe'Rothko said:
But if they googled '3 day week' they might discover it happened under Heath's Tory government!MuttleyCAFC said:
This. Every day I see another 200 new threads & despair when I read some of them. I'm thinking of voting labour just so I can see the mess we will be in by 2022.golfaddick said:.
Has something changed across the demographic of Charlton Life? Do we have a younger user base than two years ago? Do we have our own 'bubble' a la London and the EU blockquote>
This site / thread must be 85-90pc Labour which has no relation whatsoever to the voting intentions across the country.
If some of you are under 40 then perhaps trying googling "winter of discontent" or "3 day week" and se what the socialist policies of the 1970's got us.
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And we're getting sicker already, well done leave voters
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/sluggish-britain-falls-to-bottom-of-growth-table-26x7pjtfp2 -
This is great too - football fans can book well in advance to get decent prices and find they are out of pocket when a game is postponed!
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-05-27/jeremy-corbyn-vows-to-tackle-premier-league-promising-football-for-the-many-not-the-few/
Also, 5% of Premier League TV rights in grassroots football will help us become an international force - as long as the Premier league can't decide how it is spent - which I think is what the plan is. Coaching an U16s team (U17s next season) and watching my son's football journey which included a spell at the Tottenham Academy has given me a great insight into our game and how much improvement we can make in terms of coaching and development of young talent.3 -
And this speaks to me as an animal lover too:
http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/six-things-you-need-to-know-about-labours-plans-to-protect-animals0 - Sponsored links:
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While holding my hands up to only catching he last half hour, can anyone seriously defend the telegraph and sun coverage? I didn't see corbyn get walloped at any point.
Found it so strange that amber rudd had to keep referring back to Theresa May. All it did was remind us she wasn't there. I thought they'd dropped the attempted personality cult recently anyway.
For what it's worth, the crowd did seem much more behind the 'left' but then 5 of the 7 are pushing a more socially consious agenda, so the bias may be natural.
Still undecided, not that my vote is worth much in sunny beckenham.3 -
and I spose Labour are gonna steady the ship pmslRothko said:And we're getting sicker already, well done leave voters
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/sluggish-britain-falls-to-bottom-of-growth-table-26x7pjtfp0 -
I agree, it should be bollocks in this day and age (any day and age actually). But it isn't.palarsehater said:Jeremy and the magic money tree - somehow cant see it being a best seller, as per usual the bbc with a very bias audience, the world and politics before everyone had a jostle over the stuff they read on twitter thus making them an expert on it, corbyn bangs on and on and on about class war etc, but then his latest pamphlet or whatever its called, is pretty much alluding that in britian the people mentioned dont have equal opportunites - which is bollocks in this day and age.
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maybe, maybe not, but I get the feeling Corbyn isn't going to throw a strop and claim, no deal is better then a bad deal, as no deal is the worst possible thing for this country.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
and I spose Labour are gonna steady the ship pmslRothko said:And we're getting sicker already, well done leave voters
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/sluggish-britain-falls-to-bottom-of-growth-table-26x7pjtfp4 -
Would Corbyn be more likely to go the EEA route or similar? If he wins the election against massive odds his MPs in high leave areas won't be quite so nervous0
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Students debts are only repaid out of earnings. Effectively it's an income tax paid by graduates employed in the UK. Nothing wrong with that.DamoNorthStand said:The latest I have heard is that Labour want to clear student debts currently incurred by graduates but I need to check on the details.... Is this the case?
Nobody cleared mine - why do people get a free pass to get their debts cleared rather than do what everyone else has to do which is go to work? It was my choice to go to uni and I don't expect the taxpayer to cover my bill at the end of it
On the other hand, high taxes just encourage talented people to work abroad. Surely removing this debt will encourage hard working talented graduates to stay in the UK which will eventually result in more tax overall and a better economy?
Or is this just me applying typical political logic to a problem and getting a ridiculous answer?1 -
Not in the manifesto and not happening.Rob7Lee said:
I must have missed that...... was this in the fully costed manifesto?Friend Or Defoe said:
Corbyn said he would like to clear the debt of those that paid £9k a year. To answer your question why is it fair that the likes of you and I paid significantly less than £9k a year and older generations nothing?DamoNorthStand said:The latest I have heard is that Labour want to clear student debts currently incurred by graduates but I need to check on the details.... Is this the case?
Nobody cleared mine - why do people get a free pass to get their debts cleared rather than do what everyone else has to do which is go to work? It was my choice to go to uni and I don't expect the taxpayer to cover my bill at the end of it
What about the older generations who didn't get a lot of the benefits that are around now, do we need to refund the 60+ year olds for what they didn't get but would now?
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These kind of sarcastic comments help no one.Rothko said:And we're getting sicker already, well done leave voters
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/sluggish-britain-falls-to-bottom-of-growth-table-26x7pjtfp
We're not out yet and the decision to leave was voted on LAST YEAR not 3 months ago when we had larger growth than all of the g7 countries.
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I think they need to do something to curb the fees. It's a massive noose for a lot students coming into the jobs market, with no guarantees that they will get the all singing all dancing job that can pay for it at the end of it all.stevexreeve said:
Students debts are only repaid out of earnings. Effectively it's an income tax paid by graduates employed in the UK. Nothing wrong with that.DamoNorthStand said:The latest I have heard is that Labour want to clear student debts currently incurred by graduates but I need to check on the details.... Is this the case?
Nobody cleared mine - why do people get a free pass to get their debts cleared rather than do what everyone else has to do which is go to work? It was my choice to go to uni and I don't expect the taxpayer to cover my bill at the end of it
On the other hand, high taxes just encourage talented people to work abroad. Surely removing this debt will encourage hard working talented graduates to stay in the UK which will eventually result in more tax overall and a better economy?
Or is this just me applying typical political logic to a problem and getting a ridiculous answer?
I'm in the same boat as Damo in that I paid mine off, and then paid my graduate loan off for my LPC (that one was a lot more expensive than the student loan). But put yourself in the position of some of the kids. A noose around their neck that is with them right from the start of their working lives. Add to that more competition for jobs, high rents (down here anyway) and trying to get a little toehold in the world.
It's brutal for them. There's one thing I feel confident talking about on here and that's the world of work as it's what I do in my job. We have a lack of talent, talent that is ready and equipped to deal with the future world of work and companies are absolutely in the driving seat in all but maybe hiring digital talent. Some of our generation going to uni now and those that have recently graduated will be left behind if this all continues6 -
No, of course not. The IFS has crunched the numbers and says Labour's calculations include "factual mistakes" and "optimistic assumptions" - creating a £9 billion shortfall. Just one example, the famous £300mn for the extra 10,000 police. From information available from freedom of information requests, it is clear that the Labour figure contains only the payroll costs, nothing for actually training these extra officers. That would add £120mn plus to the bill. Labour have STILL been silent on tax allowances too. So, make no mistake this "plan" would cost all of us money - not just the super-rich. That is inevitable. If individuals (the rich) have less to spend then people lower down the food chain will, doubtless, pay with their jobs.agim said:As someone who's not great with maths can someone explain to me whether labours costing will work?
Scrapping tuition fees
Free childcare
Free school dinners
More police
Etc
Will this all come from high earners tax?
BTW just for balance, the IFS says the Conservative plans are undeliverable too.
(I'm still not voting.)1 - Sponsored links:
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Wait till Brexit actually happens!Dazzler21 said:
These kind of sarcastic comments help no one.Rothko said:And we're getting sicker already, well done leave voters
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/sluggish-britain-falls-to-bottom-of-growth-table-26x7pjtfp
We're not out yet and the decision to leave was voted on LAST YEAR not 3 months ago when we had larger growth than all of the g7 countries.1 -
Daily Mail claiming`political bias. LMFAO. When you are so far right the rest of us can't see you, no doubt everything appears left wing.7
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Yeah, equality is correct. No matter what ethnic origin, no matter whether rich or poor, we will all be equal. Equally stuffed.palarsehater said:Jeremy and the magic money tree - somehow cant see it being a best seller, as per usual the bbc with a very bias audience, the world and politics before everyone had a jostle over the stuff they read on twitter thus making them an expert on it, corbyn bangs on and on and on about class war etc, but then his latest pamphlet or whatever its called, is pretty much alluding that in britian the people mentioned dont have equal opportunites - which is bollocks in this day and age.
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This is good on the faux outrage on thiscafcfan said:
Yeah, equality is correct. No matter what ethnic origin, no matter whether rich or poor, we will all be equal. Equally stuffed.palarsehater said:Jeremy and the magic money tree - somehow cant see it being a best seller, as per usual the bbc with a very bias audience, the world and politics before everyone had a jostle over the stuff they read on twitter thus making them an expert on it, corbyn bangs on and on and on about class war etc, but then his latest pamphlet or whatever its called, is pretty much alluding that in britian the people mentioned dont have equal opportunites - which is bollocks in this day and age.
edit; making it a race war
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Agree. I hope we are all hugely surprised by the outcome. The result of the election likely to be a hung parliament will mean May won't have the easy ride she wants on this.Red_in_SE8 said:
Wait till Brexit actually happens!Dazzler21 said:
These kind of sarcastic comments help no one.Rothko said:And we're getting sicker already, well done leave voters
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/sluggish-britain-falls-to-bottom-of-growth-table-26x7pjtfp
We're not out yet and the decision to leave was voted on LAST YEAR not 3 months ago when we had larger growth than all of the g7 countries.0 -
NornIrishAddick said:
It's a penguin eating a fish, isn't it?North Lower Neil said:
I feel like her head is about to drop off to reveal the evil alien inside.
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I agree with you, they are pretty silly.i_b_b_o_r_g said:I don't know how anyone can tell who will make the best PM by the way they bellow at each other in these live debates. The current party in government, whoever they might be, will always come out of it looking bad. (Leanne Wood for example, just seems to say things for affect and a little clap from the audience)
The only exception imo was the Brexit debates as everyone was starting from a cross party level playing field.
Another bad US import0 -
I'm not sure the Prime Minister can force the Premier League to spend 5% of its TV rights anywhere.MuttleyCAFC said:This is great too - football fans can book well in advance to get decent prices and find they are out of pocket when a game is postponed!
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-05-27/jeremy-corbyn-vows-to-tackle-premier-league-promising-football-for-the-many-not-the-few/
Also, 5% of Premier League TV rights in grassroots football will help us become an international force - as long as the Premier league can't decide how it is spent - which I think is what the plan is. Coaching an U16s team (U17s next season) and watching my son's football journey which included a spell at the Tottenham Academy has given me a great insight into our game and how much improvement we can make in terms of coaching and development of young talent.0 -
I'm sure there are means and ways. It depresses me how poor muchof grassroots football is - we value all the wrong things. I have seen some very talented young lads over the years, but coaches are happy not to work on their weaknesses as they are not an issue at the time. There are pockets of excellence, but finding world class palyers is like doing the lottery and you have to buy as many tickets as possible. This is where we fall short IMO.0
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Amber Rudd has "done a Theresa".
Specifically, she's pulled out of the debate on Woman's Hour and dumped the job on Justine Greening.
Although, to be fair, she was only doing it because Theresa May pulled out and dumped the job on her in the first place.
They're certainly sharing the "strong and stable" trait pretty widely. If "strong and stable" are synonyms for "run away" and "hide".9
