Just a quick reminder to anyone who voted Conservative in 2015 and Leave in 2016. Your votes have helped secure the transition of power over the United Kingdom from Brussels to Belfast.
Churlish comment I know but last time I checked Belfast was in the U.K.
If we have to "repatriate" powers - particularly over spending, I'd prefer them to be repatriated to London.
So I'm trying to work this all out...Tories campaigned against a coalition of chaos with labour, pressed his links to the IRA etc. Didn't win the election and then go into coalition with a party with known links to IRA terrorism and extremism...AND May stays on as PM after the biggest backfire in politics? Not sure I see the democracy in that
That's about the size of it (don't know enough about IRA links though to be fair). Although the alternative was a minority labour government who would also have needed to rely on the DUP
The democratic part is Conservatives (May) won 57 more seats than the next party (think Labour came second ) but fell 7 seats short of an outright majority. She's joined up with another band of merry MP's to get over the line and will be the government for the foreseeable. Seems wholly democratic to me.
So in a nutshell, we're in a worse position than when the election was called and from the little I've read the conservatives new partners are more Hard Brexit than most conservatives......,
But don't worry, it's not over yet, Corbyn is saying the conservatives should step aside and he should be in government.....I quote 'It is pretty clear who won this election' - does he not understand how the process works after all these years? Still never understood why the queen has to be asked, she voted didn't she? She's had her say.....
Assuming we go again before too long........ I struggle to see where Labour will dig a majority out from.
That youth turnout would be hard pressed to be replicated second time around now the novelty has worn off. Likewise was there really enough marginal seats that the Tories pipped them on (most of the marginals seemed to go Labours way). Could the Lib Dems and SDP get hard hit in another run?
I'm not saying this is as good as it can get by any means for Corbyn, but it aint gonna be easy.
Rob, I don't think you can just look at this result in terms of absolute number of seats. There's so much subtext to this. From the start I said anything but an increase in their majority would be a failure for the Tories, a loss of seats would be a disaster but what we actually got was verging on one of the biggest fuck ups in political history. Sure, they're still in power, just but for me it's all about momentum.
When this election was announced how many honestly thought it would end up like this? Corbyn was so far behind that Labour not being wiped off the political map altogether was being seen by some as doing well.
Labour still lost the election, that can't be ignored but it isn't what was important here. We all felt that the Tories would win but in losing the election Labour still won. I guess you could say lost the battle to win the war but we will have to wait and see how the war pans out.
I was just trying to put a bit of perspective on the results itself in comparison to what has come before. I've said a few times this morning that the Conservatives royally messed up, utter utter failure and Labour did well - both from where they were, but even in those circumstances when you compare yesterday to the previous 6 elections it's not as if the country has listened to Corbyn's ideas and said 'yup that's for me' compared to previous labour leaders, he is still well short of a majority and just about joint 2nd worst election result for Labour in the last 7 elections or 25 years.
I don't honestly see in another election with the same manifesto's Labour romping home with a majority. I think Labour have a real chance though if they can move slightly more to the right of gaining power, much like Blair did (and they wouldn't have to move as far as he did).... it seems to me that there is still a core of centre people in this country that form the majority. As generations change that may too, but I don't see that for the foreseeable future. I can see more the Conservatives learning from their lessons and the next election taking a majority again if Corbyn remains, they were only 7/8 seats short under the worst election campaign known to man!
I don't care what colour a party is or what name they take, I've never had any allegiance on that basis, if either party had been slightly more central it could have been a massively different result, that's my take anyway, if you want a government that truly represents ALL the people then you need to compromise and meet somewhere in the middle. Not that I can stand the bloke in the end but that's effectively what Blair did in 1997 with 418 seats and again in 2001, how many leaders can say they had that much of a majority? As per usual those seeking election need to listen to what the people want, sadly they rarely do as 'they know better'.
I don't agree it is too left wing at all and I think a 40% vote share shows this. A you gov poll just before the election suggested that 40% of respondents thought Corbyn unelectable due to his past IRA links. That is a huge number to overcome and there is a whole generation that hates him. He has shown the labour party that platform is potentially electable under a different leader.
So I'm trying to work this all out...Tories campaigned against a coalition of chaos with labour, pressed his links to the IRA etc. Didn't win the election and then go into coalition with a party with known links to IRA terrorism and extremism...AND May stays on as PM after the biggest backfire in politics? Not sure I see the democracy in that
That's about the size of it (don't know enough about IRA links though to be fair). Although the alternative was a minority labour government who would also have needed to rely on the DUP
The democratic part is Conservatives (May) won 57 more seats than the next party (think Labour came second ) but fell 7 seats short of an outright majority. She's joined up with another band of merry MP's to get over the line and will be the government for the foreseeable. Seems wholly democratic to me.
So in a nutshell, we're in a worse position than when the election was called and from the little I've read the conservatives new partners are more Hard Brexit than most conservatives......,
But don't worry, it's not over yet, Corbyn is saying the conservatives should step aside and he should be in government.....I quote 'It is pretty clear who won this election' - does he not understand how the process works after all these years? Still never understood why the queen has to be asked, she voted didn't she? She's had her say.....
I thought the DUP were soft Brexit as they want a "frictionless" border with the Republic which can realistically only be delivered with a soft Brexit.
Thats DUP leader Peter Robinson admitting to supporting UDA prisoners and denying that the UDA - which killed over 400 people in the troubles were even terrorists at all.
So, I think we are pretty safe to say these guys are pretty close.
Assuming we go again before too long........ I struggle to see where Labour will dig a majority out from.
That youth turnout would be hard pressed to be replicated second time around now the novelty has worn off. Likewise was there really enough marginal seats that the Tories pipped them on (most of the marginals seemed to go Labours way). Could the Lib Dems and SDP get hard hit in another run?
I'm not saying this is as good as it can get by any means for Corbyn, but it aint gonna be easy.
It's going to get even harder with the reduction of MPs and the boundary changes, which will favour the conservatives.
Thats DUP leader Peter Robinson admitting to supporting UDA prisoners and denying that the UDA - which killed over 400 people in the troubles were even terrorists at all.
So, I think we are pretty safe to say these guys are pretty close.
At least they were on the right side
Assuming that the "they" to which you refer is the UDA.
I would worry that anyone could view that a terrorist organisation, responsible for hundreds of deaths (mostly, including the Greysteel Massacre, entirely indiscriminate), closely aligned with Nazis (Combat 18), and up to its neck in gangsterism could, in any way, be on the right side of anything.
Why are some people treating it as a victory? Well it was within the Labour party itself. For the last two years the majority of members who voted for their leader have been called unelectable fools and a deluded hard left by parts of their own party as much the opposition. We gone from a predicted 100 seat majority to a hung parliament, a mortally wounded Prime Minister and a Tory party in chaos in six weeks. Hard not to feel like a victory.
May, the people don't want you. Corbyn, you stood up and have become extremely popular and likeable. Tories still in 'power' and by a fair way. If May steps aside or is sacked then another GE looms, with Corbin a shoo in. An interesting few months ahead, but terrific to see the parties get closer and a Kabour party getting more left and popular at the same time. Only 68% turnout, time for compulsory voting? Hope so.........
Thats DUP leader Peter Robinson admitting to supporting UDA prisoners and denying that the UDA - which killed over 400 people in the troubles were even terrorists at all.
So, I think we are pretty safe to say these guys are pretty close.
At least they were on the right side
Assuming that the "they" to which you refer is the UDA.
I would worry that anyone could view a terrorist organisation, responsible for hundreds of deaths (mostly, including the Greysteel Massacre, entirely indiscriminate), closely aligned with Nazis (Combat 18), and up to its neck in gangsterism could, in any way, be on the right side of anything.
I thought you said they weren't into all that.
You need to give us the lowdown here NI - none of us have ever heard of these people before let alone what their beliefs are !
Rob, I don't think you can just look at this result in terms of absolute number of seats. There's so much subtext to this. From the start I said anything but an increase in their majority would be a failure for the Tories, a loss of seats would be a disaster but what we actually got was verging on one of the biggest fuck ups in political history. Sure, they're still in power, just but for me it's all about momentum.
When this election was announced how many honestly thought it would end up like this? Corbyn was so far behind that Labour not being wiped off the political map altogether was being seen by some as doing well.
Labour still lost the election, that can't be ignored but it isn't what was important here. We all felt that the Tories would win but in losing the election Labour still won. I guess you could say lost the battle to win the war but we will have to wait and see how the war pans out.
I was just trying to put a bit of perspective on the results itself in comparison to what has come before. I've said a few times this morning that the Conservatives royally messed up, utter utter failure and Labour did well - both from where they were, but even in those circumstances when you compare yesterday to the previous 6 elections it's not as if the country has listened to Corbyn's ideas and said 'yup that's for me' compared to previous labour leaders, he is still well short of a majority and just about joint 2nd worst election result for Labour in the last 7 elections or 25 years.
I don't honestly see in another election with the same manifesto's Labour romping home with a majority. I think Labour have a real chance though if they can move slightly more to the right of gaining power, much like Blair did (and they wouldn't have to move as far as he did).... it seems to me that there is still a core of centre people in this country that form the majority. As generations change that may too, but I don't see that for the foreseeable future. I can see more the Conservatives learning from their lessons and the next election taking a majority again if Corbyn remains, they were only 7/8 seats short under the worst election campaign known to man!
I don't care what colour a party is or what name they take, I've never had any allegiance on that basis, if either party had been slightly more central it could have been a massively different result, that's my take anyway, if you want a government that truly represents ALL the people then you need to compromise and meet somewhere in the middle. Not that I can stand the bloke in the end but that's effectively what Blair did in 1997 with 418 seats and again in 2001, how many leaders can say they had that much of a majority? As per usual those seeking election need to listen to what the people want, sadly they rarely do as 'they know better'.
I don't agree it is too left wing at all and I think a 40% vote share shows this. A you gov poll just before the election suggested that 40% of respondents thought Corbyn unelectable due to his past IRA links. That is a huge number to overcome and there is a whole generation that hates him. He has shown the labour party that platform is potentially electable under a different leader.
Answering a question on Corbyn and the IRA doesn't mean that aside you would vote for everything else or someone else with the same policies.
I'm banking on one more year of tax cuts for the rich and then another election, Corbyn gets in, my daughter gets free uni education and I can retire on an enhanced state pension
Thats DUP leader Peter Robinson admitting to supporting UDA prisoners and denying that the UDA - which killed over 400 people in the troubles were even terrorists at all.
So, I think we are pretty safe to say these guys are pretty close.
At least they were on the right side
Assuming that the "they" to which you refer is the UDA.
I would worry that anyone could view a terrorist organisation, responsible for hundreds of deaths (mostly, including the Greysteel Massacre, entirely indiscriminate), closely aligned with Nazis (Combat 18), and up to its neck in gangsterism could, in any way, be on the right side of anything.
I thought you said they weren't into all that.
You need to give us the lowdown here NI - none of us have ever heard of these people before let alone what their beliefs are !
No, I said that the DUP, for all the messing about in the 1980s were not equivalent to Sinn Fein (as in closely associated with/political wing of a paramilitary group.
The UDA, on the other hand, is/was a terrorist organisation, which did much of its killing under the name of the Ulster Freedom Fighters. The UDA was not proscribed for far too long during the Troubles, even when it was clear that the UFF was the UDA.
The UDA and UVF were Loyalist terror groups, the IRA and INLA the Irish Nationalist equivalents.
Annoyed at myself for noticing yesterday that I could have got 5/6 on the Tories getting fewer than 370.5 seats. Thought then it looked like free money, and I did nothing about it.
Tories ran a crap campaign with an appalling manifesto that a ten year old could have picked apart. On a scale of 0-10 where 10 is far right, I'm probably normally about a 7 but have moved further towards the middle as this shower of tories cock up time and again.
I dont trust Labour with their costed policies because I never believe that they account for the fact that tax policies change behaviour. For example, if you introduce marginal rates of tax of almost 70% on earnings between 100 and 120k you will not raise more tax from that bracket than currently. Instead of keeping only 32% of earnings, people in that group will make additional pension contributions, and thus pay no tax on that range of earnings. To take an extreme example, if you tax people at 100% you will raise no tax at all, but I'm not sure they get that.
But still, kicking down hill with the wind behind them and the labour opposition down to ten men (Abbott must count as -1), the tories have only managed a draw. May has proved herself a shocking leader, and her endless meaningless mantras and refusal to engage have cost them dearly. Corbyn has managed this campaign extremely well, and I'm sure cemented himself as leader for the foreseeable future.
We seem to be living in interesting times.
You probably haven't moved it is just that over the last few years there has been a massive shift to the right. This election, at the least,has stopped that.
It is why Corbyn who is soft left with a number of one nation Tory & Keynesian policies can be derided as far left.
Thats DUP leader Peter Robinson admitting to supporting UDA prisoners and denying that the UDA - which killed over 400 people in the troubles were even terrorists at all.
So, I think we are pretty safe to say these guys are pretty close.
At least they were on the right side
Assuming that the "they" to which you refer is the UDA.
I would worry that anyone could view a terrorist organisation, responsible for hundreds of deaths (mostly, including the Greysteel Massacre, entirely indiscriminate), closely aligned with Nazis (Combat 18), and up to its neck in gangsterism could, in any way, be on the right side of anything.
I thought you said they weren't into all that.
You need to give us the lowdown here NI - none of us have ever heard of these people before let alone what their beliefs are !
Can't believe how difficult it is to count pieces of paper..... the fact that all the recounts come up with slightly different numbers is comical. My kids find it hilarious that you go in and give your name, they cross your name through with a pen and ruler, give you a piece of paper for which you use the pencil on a piece of string to write a cross and then fold it and put it in a box!
Rob, I don't think you can just look at this result in terms of absolute number of seats. There's so much subtext to this. From the start I said anything but an increase in their majority would be a failure for the Tories, a loss of seats would be a disaster but what we actually got was verging on one of the biggest fuck ups in political history. Sure, they're still in power, just but for me it's all about momentum.
When this election was announced how many honestly thought it would end up like this? Corbyn was so far behind that Labour not being wiped off the political map altogether was being seen by some as doing well.
Labour still lost the election, that can't be ignored but it isn't what was important here. We all felt that the Tories would win but in losing the election Labour still won. I guess you could say lost the battle to win the war but we will have to wait and see how the war pans out.
I was just trying to put a bit of perspective on the results itself in comparison to what has come before. I've said a few times this morning that the Conservatives royally messed up, utter utter failure and Labour did well - both from where they were, but even in those circumstances when you compare yesterday to the previous 6 elections it's not as if the country has listened to Corbyn's ideas and said 'yup that's for me' compared to previous labour leaders, he is still well short of a majority and just about joint 2nd worst election result for Labour in the last 7 elections or 25 years.
I don't honestly see in another election with the same manifesto's Labour romping home with a majority. I think Labour have a real chance though if they can move slightly more to the right of gaining power, much like Blair did (and they wouldn't have to move as far as he did).... it seems to me that there is still a core of centre people in this country that form the majority. As generations change that may too, but I don't see that for the foreseeable future. I can see more the Conservatives learning from their lessons and the next election taking a majority again if Corbyn remains, they were only 7/8 seats short under the worst election campaign known to man!
I don't care what colour a party is or what name they take, I've never had any allegiance on that basis, if either party had been slightly more central it could have been a massively different result, that's my take anyway, if you want a government that truly represents ALL the people then you need to compromise and meet somewhere in the middle. Not that I can stand the bloke in the end but that's effectively what Blair did in 1997 with 418 seats and again in 2001, how many leaders can say they had that much of a majority? As per usual those seeking election need to listen to what the people want, sadly they rarely do as 'they know better'.
I don't agree it is too left wing at all and I think a 40% vote share shows this. A you gov poll just before the election suggested that 40% of respondents thought Corbyn unelectable due to his past IRA links. That is a huge number to overcome and there is a whole generation that hates him. He has shown the labour party that platform is potentially electable under a different leader.
Answering a question on Corbyn and the IRA doesn't mean that aside you would vote for everything else or someone else with the same policies.
I'm banking on one more year of tax cuts for the rich and then another election, Corbyn gets in, my daughter gets free uni education and I can retire on an enhanced state pension
No, but come on mate the conservatives knew what they were doing. With FPTP you only need 30% of the vote and they have just wiped out 40% of the pool. The policies have polled well for months, normally a majority in favour, long before the election was called. They only lost popularity when Corbyn's name was attached to it.
Mrs May did not refer directly to the fact her party had failed to form a majority government, or to any of its losses last night.
In her brief statement, she said her party would "put fairness and opportunity at the heart of everything we do". She also promised to:
Over the next five years, build a country in which no one and no community is left behind. A country in which prosperity and opportunity are shared right across this UK.
Mrs May said the Conservatives and DUP would work together "in the interests of the whole United Kingdom".
This will allow us to come together as a country and channel our energies towards a successful Brexit deal that works for everyone in this country, securing a new partnership with the EU which guarantees our long-term prosperity.
That's what people voted for last June, that's what we will deliver. Now let's get to work.
The deluded opportunist at it again. No mention of strong and stable though.
I really don't want the f*cking DUP working in my interests thank you very much.
Thats DUP leader Peter Robinson admitting to supporting UDA prisoners and denying that the UDA - which killed over 400 people in the troubles were even terrorists at all.
So, I think we are pretty safe to say these guys are pretty close.
At least they were on the right side
Wow!
Wow what? In relation to the British government, the Loyalist paramilitaries were on their side. The IRA wanted everyone in it dead. That just a fact luv
Rob, I don't think you can just look at this result in terms of absolute number of seats. There's so much subtext to this. From the start I said anything but an increase in their majority would be a failure for the Tories, a loss of seats would be a disaster but what we actually got was verging on one of the biggest fuck ups in political history. Sure, they're still in power, just but for me it's all about momentum.
When this election was announced how many honestly thought it would end up like this? Corbyn was so far behind that Labour not being wiped off the political map altogether was being seen by some as doing well.
Labour still lost the election, that can't be ignored but it isn't what was important here. We all felt that the Tories would win but in losing the election Labour still won. I guess you could say lost the battle to win the war but we will have to wait and see how the war pans out.
I was just trying to put a bit of perspective on the results itself in comparison to what has come before. I've said a few times this morning that the Conservatives royally messed up, utter utter failure and Labour did well - both from where they were, but even in those circumstances when you compare yesterday to the previous 6 elections it's not as if the country has listened to Corbyn's ideas and said 'yup that's for me' compared to previous labour leaders, he is still well short of a majority and just about joint 2nd worst election result for Labour in the last 7 elections or 25 years.
I don't honestly see in another election with the same manifesto's Labour romping home with a majority. I think Labour have a real chance though if they can move slightly more to the right of gaining power, much like Blair did (and they wouldn't have to move as far as he did).... it seems to me that there is still a core of centre people in this country that form the majority. As generations change that may too, but I don't see that for the foreseeable future. I can see more the Conservatives learning from their lessons and the next election taking a majority again if Corbyn remains, they were only 7/8 seats short under the worst election campaign known to man!
I don't care what colour a party is or what name they take, I've never had any allegiance on that basis, if either party had been slightly more central it could have been a massively different result, that's my take anyway, if you want a government that truly represents ALL the people then you need to compromise and meet somewhere in the middle. Not that I can stand the bloke in the end but that's effectively what Blair did in 1997 with 418 seats and again in 2001, how many leaders can say they had that much of a majority? As per usual those seeking election need to listen to what the people want, sadly they rarely do as 'they know better'.
It is the challenge not to move to the right and it won't now. That was our objective. The polls converged and we probably needed another month. Corbyn has gone from the local election results due to the in -fighting when the election was called to reeling in a 20 point lead. If you watched the incredible convergence and really analysed it you would see it for what it is - one of the most meteoric rises in a short space of time in political history.
I knew it, you work for Corbyn don't you
I agree that Corbyn has had a meteoric rise, however that often comes before an equally meteoric fall, just ask Leicester.
When the full information is out I can do some more analysis from age demographic to party alliances where the Greens/UKIP and others agreed not to stand to help labour or conservatives.
I just hope that one day, 27 years after reaching voting age there is a party that I actually want to vote for rather than what I consider the best of a bad bunch.
Corbyn is approaching 70 so I don't think he'll be on the political landscape too much longer and I don't see a queue of like minded individuals to take over. I think there are many labour politicians who could win a general election and form a government but they'll all move more to the centre than Corbyn ever would.
We'll find out one day, that's the beauty of the future in the meantime from a governing perspective we've got to deal with, thanks to our idiotic politicians, what we all voted for and it doesn't look pretty........
Of course I worked for Corbyn - but I signed up and volunteered my services as well as donating cash - I wasnt paid. The communications from the Labour party to its members and volunteers were very targeted and impressive. Just been showingmy brother and he was very impressed. This is the part of the campaign not everybody sees. Organising your troops on the ground as it were.
Mrs May did not refer directly to the fact her party had failed to form a majority government, or to any of its losses last night.
In her brief statement, she said her party would "put fairness and opportunity at the heart of everything we do". She also promised to:
Over the next five years, build a country in which no one and no community is left behind. A country in which prosperity and opportunity are shared right across this UK.
Mrs May said the Conservatives and DUP would work together "in the interests of the whole United Kingdom".
This will allow us to come together as a country and channel our energies towards a successful Brexit deal that works for everyone in this country, securing a new partnership with the EU which guarantees our long-term prosperity.
That's what people voted for last June, that's what we will deliver. Now let's get to work.
The deluded opportunist at it again. No mention of strong and stable though.
I really don't want the f*cking DUP working in my interests thank you very much.
Rob, I don't think you can just look at this result in terms of absolute number of seats. There's so much subtext to this. From the start I said anything but an increase in their majority would be a failure for the Tories, a loss of seats would be a disaster but what we actually got was verging on one of the biggest fuck ups in political history. Sure, they're still in power, just but for me it's all about momentum.
When this election was announced how many honestly thought it would end up like this? Corbyn was so far behind that Labour not being wiped off the political map altogether was being seen by some as doing well.
Labour still lost the election, that can't be ignored but it isn't what was important here. We all felt that the Tories would win but in losing the election Labour still won. I guess you could say lost the battle to win the war but we will have to wait and see how the war pans out.
I was just trying to put a bit of perspective on the results itself in comparison to what has come before. I've said a few times this morning that the Conservatives royally messed up, utter utter failure and Labour did well - both from where they were, but even in those circumstances when you compare yesterday to the previous 6 elections it's not as if the country has listened to Corbyn's ideas and said 'yup that's for me' compared to previous labour leaders, he is still well short of a majority and just about joint 2nd worst election result for Labour in the last 7 elections or 25 years.
I don't honestly see in another election with the same manifesto's Labour romping home with a majority. I think Labour have a real chance though if they can move slightly more to the right of gaining power, much like Blair did (and they wouldn't have to move as far as he did).... it seems to me that there is still a core of centre people in this country that form the majority. As generations change that may too, but I don't see that for the foreseeable future. I can see more the Conservatives learning from their lessons and the next election taking a majority again if Corbyn remains, they were only 7/8 seats short under the worst election campaign known to man!
I don't care what colour a party is or what name they take, I've never had any allegiance on that basis, if either party had been slightly more central it could have been a massively different result, that's my take anyway, if you want a government that truly represents ALL the people then you need to compromise and meet somewhere in the middle. Not that I can stand the bloke in the end but that's effectively what Blair did in 1997 with 418 seats and again in 2001, how many leaders can say they had that much of a majority? As per usual those seeking election need to listen to what the people want, sadly they rarely do as 'they know better'.
I don't agree it is too left wing at all and I think a 40% vote share shows this. A you gov poll just before the election suggested that 40% of respondents thought Corbyn unelectable due to his past IRA links. That is a huge number to overcome and there is a whole generation that hates him. He has shown the labour party that platform is potentially electable under a different leader.
Answering a question on Corbyn and the IRA doesn't mean that aside you would vote for everything else or someone else with the same policies.
I'm banking on one more year of tax cuts for the rich and then another election, Corbyn gets in, my daughter gets free uni education and I can retire on an enhanced state pension
No, but come on mate the conservatives knew what they were doing. With FPTP you only need 30% of the vote and they have just wiped out 40% of the pool. The policies have polled well for months, normally a majority in favour, long before the election was called. They only lost popularity when Corbyn's name was attached to it.
I just meant because someone said they wouldn't vote for Corbyn due to 'X' doesn't mean they would vote for a different person with the same manifesto. The flip side works, just look on here the support for Corbyn and allegedly all around the country. One could argue if he goes the labour vote would. E dramatically worse?
Thats DUP leader Peter Robinson admitting to supporting UDA prisoners and denying that the UDA - which killed over 400 people in the troubles were even terrorists at all.
So, I think we are pretty safe to say these guys are pretty close.
At least they were on the right side
Wow!
Wow what? In relation to the British government, the Loyalist paramilitaries were on their side. The IRA wanted everyone in it dead. That just a fact luv
Pretty disgusting to think there is a "right side" in a choice between two groups of murdering terrorists. But I am not going to get engaged in this debate any more.
Thats DUP leader Peter Robinson admitting to supporting UDA prisoners and denying that the UDA - which killed over 400 people in the troubles were even terrorists at all.
So, I think we are pretty safe to say these guys are pretty close.
At least they were on the right side
Wow!
Wow what? In relation to the British government, the Loyalist paramilitaries were on their side. The IRA wanted everyone in it dead. That just a fact luv
WHAT? So they were on the side of the British Government in the government's desire to murder innocent people?
FFS - all terrorists hell bent on murdering innocent people are scum.
We need to move on - as long as both sides are treading the path of peace we need to look forwards not backwards. It doesn't excuse the crimes but peace is the be all and end all. It is the only way forwards.
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The democratic part is Conservatives (May) won 57 more seats than the next party (think Labour came second
So in a nutshell, we're in a worse position than when the election was called and from the little I've read the conservatives new partners are more Hard Brexit than most conservatives......,
But don't worry, it's not over yet, Corbyn is saying the conservatives should step aside and he should be in government.....I quote 'It is pretty clear who won this election' - does he not understand how the process works after all these years? Still never understood why the queen has to be asked, she voted didn't she? She's had her say.....
That youth turnout would be hard pressed to be replicated second time around now the novelty has worn off. Likewise was there really enough marginal seats that the Tories pipped them on (most of the marginals seemed to go Labours way). Could the Lib Dems and SDP get hard hit in another run?
I'm not saying this is as good as it can get by any means for Corbyn, but it aint gonna be easy.
Who are these guys ?
I would worry that anyone could view that a terrorist organisation, responsible for hundreds of deaths (mostly, including the Greysteel Massacre, entirely indiscriminate), closely aligned with Nazis (Combat 18), and up to its neck in gangsterism could, in any way, be on the right side of anything.
Running with the DUP is a disgrace.
You need to give us the lowdown here NI - none of us have ever heard of these people before let alone what their beliefs are !
I'm banking on one more year of tax cuts for the rich
Rumour Labour have won by 35 - 50 votes.
The UDA, on the other hand, is/was a terrorist organisation, which did much of its killing under the name of the Ulster Freedom Fighters. The UDA was not proscribed for far too long during the Troubles, even when it was clear that the UFF was the UDA.
The UDA and UVF were Loyalist terror groups, the IRA and INLA the Irish Nationalist equivalents.
Not the greatest partners to use to prop yourself up.
You probably haven't moved it is just that over the last few years there has been a massive shift to the right. This election, at the least,has stopped that.
It is why Corbyn who is soft left with a number of one nation Tory & Keynesian policies can be derided as far left.
In her brief statement, she said her party would "put fairness and opportunity at the heart of everything we do". She also promised to:
Over the next five years, build a country in which no one and no community is left behind. A country in which prosperity and opportunity are shared right across this UK.
Mrs May said the Conservatives and DUP would work together "in the interests of the whole United Kingdom".
This will allow us to come together as a country and channel our energies towards a successful Brexit deal that works for everyone in this country, securing a new partnership with the EU which guarantees our long-term prosperity.
That's what people voted for last June, that's what we will deliver. Now let's get to work.
The deluded opportunist at it again. No mention of strong and stable though.
I really don't want the f*cking DUP working in my interests thank you very much.
FFS - all terrorists hell bent on murdering innocent people are scum.