Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Just as am example, all full time NHS Consultants (not junior doctors, but Consultants) earn £80k - most earn around £100k and the top 20% earn £120k. That doesn't include their private practice income (if they do any) which can be upwards of £50k pa. Under labout they will all be paying more tax - and I expect in to be at least another 5%. You may think they have got off lightly under the Tories / Coalition, but they haven't had a pay rise for 7 years (not even the 1% that the nurses got) and during that time they have seen their pension contributions more than double (from 6% to 13.5%) , their final salary scheme close & the lesser career average scheme increase the retirement age from 60 to 65. Now you may not have much sympathy for someone earning in excess of £100k, but their living standards have fallen further than a lot of "normal" working class folk. I'm not defending them. just putting over the facts that more people have been affected by "austerity" than you think.
No I don't have sympathy, I have the deepest admiration and respect. Paying a consultant £500k a year wouldn't be enough - they are Gods and they perform miracles on a daily basis. Paying nurses £100k a year isn't enough either. Paying a professional (and I used the term loosely) footballer £300k a week - now that's obscene.
If the bloke sadly downsizes his Range Rover to a smaller unfamiliar car and has a serious accident, he might need to be rushed to Accident and Emergency. Do you see where I'm going with this?
He seems like someone that would plan for the future as much as possible, so I'd guess he had private medical cover.
So where ARE these privately run A&Es then?
"UK Private hospitals provide around 11,200 beds for in-hospital stays.
The number of beds available in private hospitals for treating mental illness rose to 8647 in 2008, which represents an increase of 35% in just 5 years. The private sector provides 24% of all beds for mental health patients with the remainder in the NHS."
As for numbers of private hospitals, have a look at the font of all knowledge:
Oh you could be a politician BBW, answering a question that I didn't ask. I didn't ask about the number of private hospitals, I asked about private A&Es. Try again.
Austerity. What do you understand by the word, @golfaddick ?
I agree that these people have suffered a fall in living standards. There are two reasons we can identify:
1. We bailed out the banks and lenders who caused the 2008 crisis, yet we failed to hold any of them to account, nor have we ensured that this can't happen again.
2. HMRC pursues plumbers and hairdressers for tax infringements, while "going out for dinner with Vodafone" and agreeing a "deal" which excuses them from seven billion pounds which HMRC had calculated that they owe. And HMRC continue to believe Google and Facebook fairytales about business "concluded in Ireland", when everyone who does serious business with them knows the truth and might be willing to spill the beans.
Those are the two major reasons why we have austerity. The Tories pretend it is just good housekeeping.
Your comments, Golfie?
I dont disagree. I think there should have been no intervention by the Government to save any bank. If its a plc it is owned by the shareholders & should stand or fall that way. I didn't see the government prop up Woolworths or BHS went they went to the wall - same should have gone for the banks. So, some people would have lost some money - sh*t happens. The FS compensation scheme would have paid out a sizeable amount (£85k) and the rest would have to be put down to experience. The shareholders get what any shareholders get - gain or loss.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
I really don't think this is his fault.
Is there someone else in over-all charge of the NHS in England? Or does it just get filed as tough luck?
My view is this: the 40 hospitals have effectively closed down today, due to preventable issues. Someone, therefore, should be accountable. If not Hunt, then either someone he appointed, or his boss. The buck stops somewhere.
So doctor's pension contributions have more than doubled. How much do their employers (or you and me) kick in? In education and not just teachers but 9 to 5 admin staff, it is north of 20%.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
I really don't think this is his fault.
Is there someone else in over-all charge of the NHS in England? Or does it just get filed as tough luck?
My view is this: the 40 hospitals have effectively closed down today, due to preventable issues. Someone, therefore, should be accountable. If not Hunt, then either someone he appointed, or his boss. The buck stops somewhere.
Seems it's a world wide computer hack. He's probably the worst minister in living memory - including Gove - so plenty to blame him for. But NHS computer issues had been rumbling on for ages
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
I really don't think this is his fault.
Is there someone else in over-all charge of the NHS in England? Or does it just get filed as tough luck?
My view is this: the 40 hospitals have effectively closed down today, due to preventable issues. Someone, therefore, should be accountable. If not Hunt, then either someone he appointed, or his boss. The buck stops somewhere.
Seems it's a world wide computer hack. He's probably the worst minister in living memory - including Gove - so plenty to blame him for. But NHS computer issues had been rumbling on for ages
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
I really don't think this is his fault.
Is there someone else in over-all charge of the NHS in England? Or does it just get filed as tough luck?
My view is this: the 40 hospitals have effectively closed down today, due to preventable issues. Someone, therefore, should be accountable. If not Hunt, then either someone he appointed, or his boss. The buck stops somewhere.
Seems it's a world wide computer hack. He's probably the worst minister in living memory - including Gove - so plenty to blame him for. But NHS computer issues had been rumbling on for ages
And he's been bungling along for ages too.
I wholeheartedly agree... He's a disaster for this country. I just don't blame him for this one specific thing. I blame the hackers.
Do people still actually fall for this preposterous nonsense? Does she actually think she can issue laws in Britain to which Facebook will adhere?
Facebook users will be given a new legal right to wipe clean all photos, messages and information that they put online before turning 18 under a new manifesto pledge announced by Theresa May.
So doctor's pension contributions have more than doubled. How much do their employers (or you and me) kick in? In education and not just teachers but 9 to 5 admin staff, it is north of 20%.
I believe it is around 12% - and if you are a GP partner then you have to pay this yourself, ie most GP's lose about a quarter of their gross income in pension contributions & then 40% in tax .
As far as I can tell Facebook and Twitter are private companies. All this assumption that everybody purchases from Facebook and Twitter is like assuming that everybody buys their clothes from Primark.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I dunno. If the Tories describe the global economic collapse of 2008 as the 'Labour financial crisis', then this NHS cyber destruction is the 'Tory internet freeze'. Turns out Theresa May knew about this vulnerability when she was Home Secretary (at least that is what a woman on the news just said) and she kicked the can down the road, until yesterday at least.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
I think the issue is that Microsoft stopped supporting XP - so there are no longer security patches.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I dunno. If the Tories describe the global economic collapse of 2008 as the 'Labour financial crisis', then this NHS cyber destruction is the 'Tory internet freeze'. Turns out Theresa May knew about this vulnerability when she was Home Secretary (at least that is what a woman on the news just said) and she kicked the can down the road, until yesterday at least.
Well, yeah. There's a reason why many entities still use XP. For example, it seems the Met Police (at least until recently) still had 19,000 XP machines. It's because they rely upon ancient bespoke software for their systems that won't work on more modern operating systems. Now if local NHS managers can't be arsed to download free software like VirtualBox on to their machines, then.... (of course, maybe the Govt. should have given them a clue?). It seems 23% of Trusts are using virtual machines - I reckon it's unlikely they were the ones caught out. So, incompetent local managers who should be sacked and incompetent Dept of Health officials who should also be sacked. Now, if Hunt didn't know and get it sorted he too is an idiot and should be scaked. But obviously that won't happen (if at all) until after the election.
So doctor's pension contributions have more than doubled. How much do their employers (or you and me) kick in? In education and not just teachers but 9 to 5 admin staff, it is north of 20%.
I believe it is around 12% - and if you are a GP partner then you have to pay this yourself, ie most GP's lose about a quarter of their gross income in pension contributions & then 40% in tax .
Golfie I recently worked for an educational establishment and employers contribution had just gone up from just over 20% to something like 21.6%. Not only lecturers but office staff as well. You may well be disbelieving, as I was staggered also.
So doctor's pension contributions have more than doubled. How much do their employers (or you and me) kick in? In education and not just teachers but 9 to 5 admin staff, it is north of 20%.
I believe it is around 12% - and if you are a GP partner then you have to pay this yourself, ie most GP's lose about a quarter of their gross income in pension contributions & then 40% in tax .
Golfie I recently worked for an educational establishment and employers contribution had just gone up from just over 20% to something like 21.6%. Not only lecturers but office staff as well. You may well be disbelieving, as I was staggered also.
I'm not surprised. Many moons ago (back when it used to provide its staff with an all singing, all dancing final salary pension) the actuarial calculation for the Bank of England's pension scheme was that the BoE needed to contribute around 26% of everyone's pay per annum (a little more for woman as they live longer). It varied year on year of course depending upon the underlying performance of the Fund's investments. In really good years there was even a contribution holiday.
The problem with computer systems is they operate beyond the knowledge of most people - I consider myself to be computer literate but I don't undertsand fully the threats viruses cause my business. I have anti-virus software and I hope it does it's job, because I haven't got a clue how well it does it.
On another note, my mother is elderly and disabled(wheelchair). She lives in her own home and pays for carers to come in and put her on the toilet/get her out of bed. She pays more than people with no savings, effectively subsidising the social care service when you or I aren't expected to. However, she isn't misfortunate enough to live in a care home and be fleeced of all her money to pay for Tory austerity. Those poor souls usually don't realise they are paying 40% more just because the likes of us don't care. I had to drive to my mums this morning for the second week running in the early hours because her carers let her down again. This means her potentially losing all dignity and soiling her bed if nobody is there. I am going back there in half an hour for the visit to my mum that I had planned for today. At least she has me and my brother, what about the poor souls who are just left to lose there dignity. We can't afford it, bollocks, we have become a selfish, greedy ignorant nation - understand the reality of what we can't afford - what is going on out there in the real world. Add a few years to today and imagine yourself in the position the old and vulnerable are in today and pray you don't get ill.
Then after that a walk to town, taking the dog for a walk as the wife shopped. Looking around at all the delapidated shops and the souless atmosphere of neglect. This is all Thersa May and her leeches can ever promise you. Going back to the 70s? Yes please - there was lots wrong with that period, but there was more respect for people andmore caring for your fellow man.
We can afford labours plans - so what if a few rich people are a little less rich as a result. They will still be rich......no they will be richer living in a better Britain. I am willing to pay for it. I don't need or want a Range Rover. I know the real Tory types that run this country and they are the vast minority. There are more decent people, who vote Tory beacuse of a massive manipulation and they will come to realise it at some point.
I'm never going to apologise for wanting the best schools, hospitals, care for the disabled and elderly and caring for my fellow man. I'm proud of that and whilst I know there are decent Tory politicians, there are just as many bastards in that party and those bastards are holding sway. We need to wake up and fight for a better Britain - Why is it unacheivable, why are we content to have to pay for the greed of bankers, not one of them has been locked up! Why has this greed and its consequences been blamed on the Labour party and why is every body else having to pay for it - nurses with their pensions, hard working honest people. If somebody had a gun to my head in the polling both, I still wouldn't vote Tory and I'm immensely proud of the fact.
Rant over - it all got to me today - how depressing living in this bloody country is! Maybe I should only care about myself. I maybe need to try harder to!
In my last job working for a Social Enterprise but with NHS IT you were not allowed to down load anything yourself not even updates for Adobe. Capita (as part of their long term contract) would charge around £16 to do this so it is unlikely that local managers would be able to download stuff. You had to send in a request for work form as well. As a senior manager I eventually got this rescinded but it took months and a lot of pressure.
Recently I helped set up a website for a NHS/local authority/voluntary sector collaboration. The NHS end insisted that IE6 should be supported as a significant number of their staff still used it. The developers couldn't quite believe it.
The NHS have been waiting for their promised new IT systems for so long that they had just stopped updating the current system they use. The new system is now not going to happen so their are seven years of updates that must be done and I assume paid for. this may just be a local issue but I suspect not.
We get e-mails from a local council (Barnet, Brent etc....) only they are not. They say we parked ilegaly and invite you to click on link for details. If you had been in that area recently you might click - what would clicking that link do? What is being done about the bastards who commit this crime. Targetting the NHS puts lives at risk, they should be treated the same way murderers are.
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My view is this: the 40 hospitals have effectively closed down today, due to preventable issues. Someone, therefore, should be accountable. If not Hunt, then either someone he appointed, or his boss. The buck stops somewhere.
Facebook users will be given a new legal right to wipe clean all photos, messages and information that they put online before turning 18 under a new manifesto pledge announced by Theresa May.
http://ow.ly/HURi30bGwHS
Sounds like a party trying to sound like they're in touch with the average voter.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
If the Tories describe the global economic collapse of 2008 as the 'Labour financial crisis', then this NHS cyber destruction is the 'Tory internet freeze'.
Turns out Theresa May knew about this vulnerability when she was Home Secretary (at least that is what a woman on the news just said) and she kicked the can down the road, until yesterday at least.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Now if local NHS managers can't be arsed to download free software like VirtualBox on to their machines, then.... (of course, maybe the Govt. should have given them a clue?). It seems 23% of Trusts are using virtual machines - I reckon it's unlikely they were the ones caught out. So, incompetent local managers who should be sacked and incompetent Dept of Health officials who should also be sacked. Now, if Hunt didn't know and get it sorted he too is an idiot and should be scaked. But obviously that won't happen (if at all) until after the election.
On another note, my mother is elderly and disabled(wheelchair). She lives in her own home and pays for carers to come in and put her on the toilet/get her out of bed. She pays more than people with no savings, effectively subsidising the social care service when you or I aren't expected to. However, she isn't misfortunate enough to live in a care home and be fleeced of all her money to pay for Tory austerity. Those poor souls usually don't realise they are paying 40% more just because the likes of us don't care. I had to drive to my mums this morning for the second week running in the early hours because her carers let her down again. This means her potentially losing all dignity and soiling her bed if nobody is there. I am going back there in half an hour for the visit to my mum that I had planned for today. At least she has me and my brother, what about the poor souls who are just left to lose there dignity. We can't afford it, bollocks, we have become a selfish, greedy ignorant nation - understand the reality of what we can't afford - what is going on out there in the real world. Add a few years to today and imagine yourself in the position the old and vulnerable are in today and pray you don't get ill.
Then after that a walk to town, taking the dog for a walk as the wife shopped. Looking around at all the delapidated shops and the souless atmosphere of neglect. This is all Thersa May and her leeches can ever promise you. Going back to the 70s? Yes please - there was lots wrong with that period, but there was more respect for people andmore caring for your fellow man.
We can afford labours plans - so what if a few rich people are a little less rich as a result. They will still be rich......no they will be richer living in a better Britain. I am willing to pay for it. I don't need or want a Range Rover. I know the real Tory types that run this country and they are the vast minority. There are more decent people, who vote Tory beacuse of a massive manipulation and they will come to realise it at some point.
I'm never going to apologise for wanting the best schools, hospitals, care for the disabled and elderly and caring for my fellow man. I'm proud of that and whilst I know there are decent Tory politicians, there are just as many bastards in that party and those bastards are holding sway. We need to wake up and fight for a better Britain - Why is it unacheivable, why are we content to have to pay for the greed of bankers, not one of them has been locked up! Why has this greed and its consequences been blamed on the Labour party and why is every body else having to pay for it - nurses with their pensions, hard working honest people. If somebody had a gun to my head in the polling both, I still wouldn't vote Tory and I'm immensely proud of the fact.
Rant over - it all got to me today - how depressing living in this bloody country is! Maybe I should only care about myself. I maybe need to try harder to!
In my last job working for a Social Enterprise but with NHS IT you were not allowed to down load anything yourself not even updates for Adobe. Capita (as part of their long term contract) would charge around £16 to do this so it is unlikely that local managers would be able to download stuff. You had to send in a request for work form as well. As a senior manager I eventually got this rescinded but it took months and a lot of pressure.
Recently I helped set up a website for a NHS/local authority/voluntary sector collaboration. The NHS end insisted that IE6 should be supported as a significant number of their staff still used it. The developers couldn't quite believe it.
The NHS have been waiting for their promised new IT systems for so long that they had just stopped updating the current system they use. The new system is now not going to happen so their are seven years of updates that must be done and I assume paid for. this may just be a local issue but I suspect not.