Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
I think the issue is that Microsoft stopped supporting XP - so there are no longer security patches.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Microsoft demand a single license for each machine, same as universities and schools, so the cost of upgrading that many machines is astronomical.
@cafcfan if it is so simple as downloading virtualbox, why are only 23% of trusts using it? I don't really expect nhs managers to be experts on cyber security, but apparently the Prime Minister knew of this vulnerability when Home Secretary. Why did the government not make it policy if it was so simple? Or was it right that they waited for this to happen so they could tell us another way the NHS has failed?
NHS managers is like socialists, it has become such a dirty phrase. Easy to assign blame and great bogeyman, 'watch out or the managers will get our health service'. There isn't a single person I know that isn't underpaid or overworked in the NHS, can't say I know too many managers, which is surprising considering how many there supposedly are. Anyway this is the system we have under a long term Tory government and despite the promise of no more top down reorganisation, they have brought in Capita to that very thing. The bit you're going to love the most is they have brought in more managers to do this and get rid of all the work-shy NHS managers.
We went to having the most expensive university system in Europe without ever having an adult conversation about it. Slowly the same thing is happening with the NHS and privatisation. Ultimately it is the department of health that runs the NHS and the minister is responsible, us voting is the accountability. All the recent failings have happened under a conservative government.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
I think the issue is that Microsoft stopped supporting XP - so there are no longer security patches.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Microsoft demand a single license for each machine, same as universities and schools, so the cost of upgrading that many machines is astronomical.
@cafcfan if it is so simple as downloading virtualbox, why are only 23% of trusts using it? I don't really expect nhs managers to be experts on cyber security, but apparently the Prime Minister knew of this vulnerability when Home Secretary. Why did the government not make it policy if it was so simple? Or was it right that they waited for this to happen so they could tell us another way the NHS has failed?
NHS managers is like socialists, it has become such a dirty phrase. Easy to assign blame and great bogeyman, 'watch out or the managers will get our health service'. There isn't a single person I know that isn't underpaid or overworked in the NHS, can't say I know too many managers, which is surprising considering how many there supposedly are. Anyway this is the system we have under a long term Tory government and despite the promise of no more top down reorganisation, they have brought in Capita to that very thing. The bit you're going to love the most is they have brought in more managers to do this and get rid of all the work-shy NHS managers.
We went to having the most expensive university system in Europe without ever having an adult conversation about it. Slowly the same thing is happening with the NHS and privatisation. Ultimately it is the department of health that runs the NHS and the minister is responsible, us voting is the accountability. All the recent failings have happened under a conservative government.
Strong and stable, strong and stable, vote Theresa for more of the same.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
I think the issue is that Microsoft stopped supporting XP - so there are no longer security patches.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Microsoft demand a single license for each machine, same as universities and schools, so the cost of upgrading that many machines is astronomical.
@cafcfan if it is so simple as downloading virtualbox, why are only 23% of trusts using it? I don't really expect nhs managers to be experts on cyber security, but apparently the Prime Minister knew of this vulnerability when Home Secretary. Why did the government not make it policy if it was so simple? Or was it right that they waited for this to happen so they could tell us another way the NHS has failed?
NHS managers is like socialists, it has become such a dirty phrase. Easy to assign blame and great bogeyman, 'watch out or the managers will get our health service'. There isn't a single person I know that isn't underpaid or overworked in the NHS, can't say I know too many managers, which is surprising considering how many there supposedly are. Anyway this is the system we have under a long term Tory government and despite the promise of no more top down reorganisation, they have brought in Capita to that very thing. The bit you're going to love the most is they have brought in more managers to do this and get rid of all the work-shy NHS managers.
We went to having the most expensive university system in Europe without ever having an adult conversation about it. Slowly the same thing is happening with the NHS and privatisation. Ultimately it is the department of health that runs the NHS and the minister is responsible, us voting is the accountability. All the recent failings have happened under a conservative government.
Strong and stable, strong and stable, vote Theresa for more of the same.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
I think the issue is that Microsoft stopped supporting XP - so there are no longer security patches.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Microsoft demand a single license for each machine, same as universities and schools, so the cost of upgrading that many machines is astronomical.
@cafcfan if it is so simple as downloading virtualbox, why are only 23% of trusts using it? I don't really expect nhs managers to be experts on cyber security, but apparently the Prime Minister knew of this vulnerability when Home Secretary. Why did the government not make it policy if it was so simple? Or was it right that they waited for this to happen so they could tell us another way the NHS has failed?
NHS managers is like socialists, it has become such a dirty phrase. Easy to assign blame and great bogeyman, 'watch out or the managers will get our health service'. There isn't a single person I know that isn't underpaid or overworked in the NHS, can't say I know too many managers, which is surprising considering how many there supposedly are. Anyway this is the system we have under a long term Tory government and despite the promise of no more top down reorganisation, they have brought in Capita to that very thing. The bit you're going to love the most is they have brought in more managers to do this and get rid of all the work-shy NHS managers.
We went to having the most expensive university system in Europe without ever having an adult conversation about it. Slowly the same thing is happening with the NHS and privatisation. Ultimately it is the department of health that runs the NHS and the minister is responsible, us voting is the accountability. All the recent failings have happened under a conservative government.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
I think the issue is that Microsoft stopped supporting XP - so there are no longer security patches.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Microsoft demand a single license for each machine, same as universities and schools, so the cost of upgrading that many machines is astronomical.
@cafcfan if it is so simple as downloading virtualbox, why are only 23% of trusts using it? I don't really expect nhs managers to be experts on cyber security, but apparently the Prime Minister knew of this vulnerability when Home Secretary. Why did the government not make it policy if it was so simple? Or was it right that they waited for this to happen so they could tell us another way the NHS has failed?
NHS managers is like socialists, it has become such a dirty phrase. Easy to assign blame and great bogeyman, 'watch out or the managers will get our health service'. There isn't a single person I know that isn't underpaid or overworked in the NHS, can't say I know too many managers, which is surprising considering how many there supposedly are. Anyway this is the system we have under a long term Tory government and despite the promise of no more top down reorganisation, they have brought in Capita to that very thing. The bit you're going to love the most is they have brought in more managers to do this and get rid of all the work-shy NHS managers.
We went to having the most expensive university system in Europe without ever having an adult conversation about it. Slowly the same thing is happening with the NHS and privatisation. Ultimately it is the department of health that runs the NHS and the minister is responsible, us voting is the accountability. All the recent failings have happened under a conservative government.
It seems (I haven't seen the actual clip) that Amber whatsherface told Sky News this am that Jeremy Hunt had instructed all NHS Trusts to dump XP. I wonder if that's true? If so, why haven't they done it? It also makes no sense to me that some Trusts have taken steps to protect their systems but others haven't. (I don't know what virtual system the trusts are using to protect their data.) VirtualBox is just one example of what's out there. I suspect that corporations use either Hyper-V or VMware. They too are both free but I think you have to licence the machines. As far as I know, it is pretty simple in the overall scheme of things.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
I think the issue is that Microsoft stopped supporting XP - so there are no longer security patches.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Microsoft demand a single license for each machine, same as universities and schools, so the cost of upgrading that many machines is astronomical.
@cafcfan if it is so simple as downloading virtualbox, why are only 23% of trusts using it? I don't really expect nhs managers to be experts on cyber security, but apparently the Prime Minister knew of this vulnerability when Home Secretary. Why did the government not make it policy if it was so simple? Or was it right that they waited for this to happen so they could tell us another way the NHS has failed?
NHS managers is like socialists, it has become such a dirty phrase. Easy to assign blame and great bogeyman, 'watch out or the managers will get our health service'. There isn't a single person I know that isn't underpaid or overworked in the NHS, can't say I know too many managers, which is surprising considering how many there supposedly are. Anyway this is the system we have under a long term Tory government and despite the promise of no more top down reorganisation, they have brought in Capita to that very thing. The bit you're going to love the most is they have brought in more managers to do this and get rid of all the work-shy NHS managers.
We went to having the most expensive university system in Europe without ever having an adult conversation about it. Slowly the same thing is happening with the NHS and privatisation. Ultimately it is the department of health that runs the NHS and the minister is responsible, us voting is the accountability. All the recent failings have happened under a conservative government.
It seems (I haven't seen the actual clip) that Amber whatsherface told Sky News this am that Jeremy Hunt had instructed all NHS Trusts to dump XP. I wonder if that's true? If so, why haven't they done it? It also makes no sense to me that some Trusts have taken steps to protect their systems but others haven't. (I don't know what virtual system the trusts are using to protect their data.) VirtualBox is just one example of what's out there. I suspect that corporations use either Hyper-V or VMware. They too are both free but I think you have to licence the machines. As far as I know, it is pretty simple in the overall scheme of things.
So the Home Secretary has come out and said some NHS trusts are ignoring the minister for health? That is quite a claim.
I think it is just like everyday life mate, some people are more tech savvy than others. The real question is why hasn't this been communicated and become a centralised policy?
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
I think the issue is that Microsoft stopped supporting XP - so there are no longer security patches.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Microsoft demand a single license for each machine, same as universities and schools, so the cost of upgrading that many machines is astronomical.
@cafcfan if it is so simple as downloading virtualbox, why are only 23% of trusts using it? I don't really expect nhs managers to be experts on cyber security, but apparently the Prime Minister knew of this vulnerability when Home Secretary. Why did the government not make it policy if it was so simple? Or was it right that they waited for this to happen so they could tell us another way the NHS has failed?
NHS managers is like socialists, it has become such a dirty phrase. Easy to assign blame and great bogeyman, 'watch out or the managers will get our health service'. There isn't a single person I know that isn't underpaid or overworked in the NHS, can't say I know too many managers, which is surprising considering how many there supposedly are. Anyway this is the system we have under a long term Tory government and despite the promise of no more top down reorganisation, they have brought in Capita to that very thing. The bit you're going to love the most is they have brought in more managers to do this and get rid of all the work-shy NHS managers.
We went to having the most expensive university system in Europe without ever having an adult conversation about it. Slowly the same thing is happening with the NHS and privatisation. Ultimately it is the department of health that runs the NHS and the minister is responsible, us voting is the accountability. All the recent failings have happened under a conservative government.
It seems (I haven't seen the actual clip) that Amber whatsherface told Sky News this am that Jeremy Hunt had instructed all NHS Trusts to dump XP. I wonder if that's true? If so, why haven't they done it? It also makes no sense to me that some Trusts have taken steps to protect their systems but others haven't. (I don't know what virtual system the trusts are using to protect their data.) VirtualBox is just one example of what's out there. I suspect that corporations use either Hyper-V or VMware. They too are both free but I think you have to licence the machines. As far as I know, it is pretty simple in the overall scheme of things.
If this is true, then Hunt should be kicked out unless there are very extenuating circumstances. Need to know more about this including when the instruction went out and accompanying deadlines for action.
This should have been a matter of highest priority.
Makes no sense why there is a different backup between Trusts.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
I think the issue is that Microsoft stopped supporting XP - so there are no longer security patches.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Microsoft demand a single license for each machine, same as universities and schools, so the cost of upgrading that many machines is astronomical.
@cafcfan if it is so simple as downloading virtualbox, why are only 23% of trusts using it? I don't really expect nhs managers to be experts on cyber security, but apparently the Prime Minister knew of this vulnerability when Home Secretary. Why did the government not make it policy if it was so simple? Or was it right that they waited for this to happen so they could tell us another way the NHS has failed?
NHS managers is like socialists, it has become such a dirty phrase. Easy to assign blame and great bogeyman, 'watch out or the managers will get our health service'. There isn't a single person I know that isn't underpaid or overworked in the NHS, can't say I know too many managers, which is surprising considering how many there supposedly are. Anyway this is the system we have under a long term Tory government and despite the promise of no more top down reorganisation, they have brought in Capita to that very thing. The bit you're going to love the most is they have brought in more managers to do this and get rid of all the work-shy NHS managers.
We went to having the most expensive university system in Europe without ever having an adult conversation about it. Slowly the same thing is happening with the NHS and privatisation. Ultimately it is the department of health that runs the NHS and the minister is responsible, us voting is the accountability. All the recent failings have happened under a conservative government.
It seems (I haven't seen the actual clip) that Amber whatsherface told Sky News this am that Jeremy Hunt had instructed all NHS Trusts to dump XP. I wonder if that's true? If so, why haven't they done it? It also makes no sense to me that some Trusts have taken steps to protect their systems but others haven't. (I don't know what virtual system the trusts are using to protect their data.) VirtualBox is just one example of what's out there. I suspect that corporations use either Hyper-V or VMware. They too are both free but I think you have to licence the machines. As far as I know, it is pretty simple in the overall scheme of things.
So the Home Secretary has come out and said some NHS trusts are ignoring the minister for health? That is quite a claim.
I think it is just like everyday life mate, some people are more tech savvy than others. The real question is why hasn't this been communicated and become a centralised policy?
Apparently, yes. Here,s an extract of what is being reported. "Home Secretary Amber Rudd today slammed the NHS and said it was “disappointing” it had failed to update its systems, which she claims Heath Secretary Jeremy Hunt had ordered health trusts to do."
If that is true - but is it? - it's quite staggering that it hasn't been done.
Looks like its global so what's it got to do with the General Election thread?
Beats me why anyone would think the safety and security of NHS systems under the control of Jeremy Hunt would ever be discussed in a thread about the general election.
Jeremy Hunt is a complete wanker.
But blaming him for the UK side of what has been described as the biggest global ransomware outbreak in history is ridiculous.
I guess I have it wrong then. I thought those affected were companies and individuals who hadn't bothered to update their Microsoft security software patches ... which are free.
I think the issue is that Microsoft stopped supporting XP - so there are no longer security patches.
For whatever reason, someone decided not to upgrade to a supported version of Windows.
In general, the public sector will select an older version than the latest and greatest, but I have an idea that, even if it is just the IT backroom staff doing the updating, there will be a cost.
Microsoft demand a single license for each machine, same as universities and schools, so the cost of upgrading that many machines is astronomical.
@cafcfan if it is so simple as downloading virtualbox, why are only 23% of trusts using it? I don't really expect nhs managers to be experts on cyber security, but apparently the Prime Minister knew of this vulnerability when Home Secretary. Why did the government not make it policy if it was so simple? Or was it right that they waited for this to happen so they could tell us another way the NHS has failed?
NHS managers is like socialists, it has become such a dirty phrase. Easy to assign blame and great bogeyman, 'watch out or the managers will get our health service'. There isn't a single person I know that isn't underpaid or overworked in the NHS, can't say I know too many managers, which is surprising considering how many there supposedly are. Anyway this is the system we have under a long term Tory government and despite the promise of no more top down reorganisation, they have brought in Capita to that very thing. The bit you're going to love the most is they have brought in more managers to do this and get rid of all the work-shy NHS managers.
We went to having the most expensive university system in Europe without ever having an adult conversation about it. Slowly the same thing is happening with the NHS and privatisation. Ultimately it is the department of health that runs the NHS and the minister is responsible, us voting is the accountability. All the recent failings have happened under a conservative government.
It seems (I haven't seen the actual clip) that Amber whatsherface told Sky News this am that Jeremy Hunt had instructed all NHS Trusts to dump XP. I wonder if that's true? If so, why haven't they done it? It also makes no sense to me that some Trusts have taken steps to protect their systems but others haven't. (I don't know what virtual system the trusts are using to protect their data.) VirtualBox is just one example of what's out there. I suspect that corporations use either Hyper-V or VMware. They too are both free but I think you have to licence the machines. As far as I know, it is pretty simple in the overall scheme of things.
So the Home Secretary has come out and said some NHS trusts are ignoring the minister for health? That is quite a claim.
I think it is just like everyday life mate, some people are more tech savvy than others. The real question is why hasn't this been communicated and become a centralised policy?
Apparently, yes. Here,s an extract of what is being reported. "Home Secretary Amber Rudd today slammed the NHS and said it was “disappointing” it had failed to update its systems, which she claims Heath Secretary Jeremy Hunt had ordered health trusts to do."
If that is true - but is it? - it's quite staggering that it hasn't been done.
They should release details of the instruction. Otherwise all will be conjecture. Someone, or several, are seriously at fault here and it should be resolved.
Ms Rudd told BBC Breakfast she could not confirm all NHS files had been backed up. "I hope the answer is yes, that is the instructions that everybody has received in the past. That is good cyber defence. "We will find out over the next few days if there are any holes in that."
If backups have not been made, the IT departments in the NHS are not going to come out of this looking good.
I wonder if our Chancellor is hiding in the shadows waiting for the finger to be pointed in his direction.
After all, it was his changes to IR35 legislation that led to NHS Digital deciding all IT Contractors were now in scope, causing a mass walk out, including their Cyber Security contractors, a month ago now.
For Amber Rudd to point the finger at the NHS for ignoring Jeremy Hunt is outrages.
Rather than cut technology teams by the ankles, perhaps give them (and the whole NHS for that matter) the budgets they need to avoid having to make difficult prioritisation decisions that put the NHS at risk.
I wonder if our Chancellor is hiding in the shadows waiting for the finger to be pointed in his direction.
After all, it was his changes to IR35 legislation that led to NHS Digital deciding all IT Contractors were now in scope, causing a mass walk out, including their Cyber Security contractors, a month ago now.
For Amber Rudd to point the finger at the NHS for ignoring Jeremy Hunt is outrages.
Rather than cut technology teams by the ankles, perhaps give them (and the whole NHS for that matter) the budgets they need to avoid having to make difficult prioritisation decisions that put the NHS at risk.
Hunt could be at fault but you cannot exonerate the NHS if they have not been undertaking basic security backup measures. This is essential in any company.
The sad fact is that if this cyberattack had happened under Labour's watch there would be over 100 posts from the same posters slavishly defending the Tories demanding blood from Labour.
This bureaucratic SHAMBLES has been holding US to ransom for seventy years. It must be punished, dismantled, taken down so that WE might at last be free from the perils of healthcare. There are American billionaires out there who deserve our money!
I wonder if our Chancellor is hiding in the shadows waiting for the finger to be pointed in his direction.
After all, it was his changes to IR35 legislation that led to NHS Digital deciding all IT Contractors were now in scope, causing a mass walk out, including their Cyber Security contractors, a month ago now.
For Amber Rudd to point the finger at the NHS for ignoring Jeremy Hunt is outrages.
Rather than cut technology teams by the ankles, perhaps give them (and the whole NHS for that matter) the budgets they need to avoid having to make difficult prioritisation decisions that put the NHS at risk.
Hunt could be at fault but you cannot exonerate the NHS if they have not been undertaking basic security backup measures. This is essential in any company.
I wonder if our Chancellor is hiding in the shadows waiting for the finger to be pointed in his direction.
After all, it was his changes to IR35 legislation that led to NHS Digital deciding all IT Contractors were now in scope, causing a mass walk out, including their Cyber Security contractors, a month ago now.
For Amber Rudd to point the finger at the NHS for ignoring Jeremy Hunt is outrages.
Rather than cut technology teams by the ankles, perhaps give them (and the whole NHS for that matter) the budgets they need to avoid having to make difficult prioritisation decisions that put the NHS at risk.
Hunt could be at fault but you cannot exonerate the NHS if they have not been undertaking basic security backup measures. This is essential in any company.
Three words - Tory budget cuts.
Three words, basic security backup.
Sorry, but I am not convinced that some in the NHS are not also at fault here.
As I have said, Hunt has questions to answer ... but so do others within the NHS.
I wonder if our Chancellor is hiding in the shadows waiting for the finger to be pointed in his direction.
After all, it was his changes to IR35 legislation that led to NHS Digital deciding all IT Contractors were now in scope, causing a mass walk out, including their Cyber Security contractors, a month ago now.
For Amber Rudd to point the finger at the NHS for ignoring Jeremy Hunt is outrages.
Rather than cut technology teams by the ankles, perhaps give them (and the whole NHS for that matter) the budgets they need to avoid having to make difficult prioritisation decisions that put the NHS at risk.
Hunt could be at fault but you cannot exonerate the NHS if they have not been undertaking basic security backup measures. This is essential in any company.
Three words - Tory budget cuts.
Three words, basic security backup.
Sorry, but I am not convinced that some in the NHS are not also at fault here.
As I have said, Hunt has questions to answer ... but so do others within the NHS.
I agree, very simplistic for Amber Rudd and Hunt to blame the NHS because their are some good IT staff working in it. Money has been badly spent in the past but training and security awareness is a major factor to why this happened.
For me regardless of where the blame lies, those at the top are the ones accountable. That's what they commit to when they take the post of leadership and since the NHS is a public body the man at the top in this case is Jeremy Hunt, part of a Tory government in charge of the NHS. He should be resigning and she should be apologising. She can wank on about being strong and stable all she likes. Security is a massive factor in being strong and stable and this has happened under their watch. I don't care for them to be working out which IT managers may or may not be at fault.
Strong and stable my arse. Come out and apologise, tell Hunt to resign or sack him, then I might believe she has a bit of this strength and stability she keeps going on about. If not, she's just another tossers of a politician
For me regardless of where the blame lies, those at the top are the ones accountable. That's what they commit to when they take the post of leadership and since the NHS is a public body the man at the top in this case is Jeremy Hunt, part of a Tory government in charge of the NHS. He should be resigning and she should be apologising. She can wank on about being strong and stable all she likes. Security is a massive factor in being strong and stable and this has happened under their watch. I don't care for them to be working out which IT managers may or may not be at fault.
Strong and stable my arse. Come out and apologise, tell Hunt to resign or sack him, then I might believe she has a bit of this strength and stability she keeps going on about. If not, she's just another tossers of a politician
Hunt would appear to be culpable but so are others.
Basic security measures are known by kids at school and SHOULD NOT be ignored for whatever reason, PARTICULARLY where medical records are concerned.
For me regardless of where the blame lies, those at the top are the ones accountable. That's what they commit to when they take the post of leadership and since the NHS is a public body the man at the top in this case is Jeremy Hunt, part of a Tory government in charge of the NHS. He should be resigning and she should be apologising. She can wank on about being strong and stable all she likes. Security is a massive factor in being strong and stable and this has happened under their watch. I don't care for them to be working out which IT managers may or may not be at fault.
Strong and stable my arse. Come out and apologise, tell Hunt to resign or sack him, then I might believe she has a bit of this strength and stability she keeps going on about. If not, she's just another tossers of a politician
Hunt would appear to be culpable but so are others.
Basic security measures are known by kids at school and SHOULD NOT be ignored for whatever reason, PARTICULARLY where medical records are concerned.
I'm not trying to absolve those further down the chain of accountability if they too could have prevented it, I just think this ultimately falls on the leadership of those in the government and I would like to see May demonstrate this pathetic mantra she's happy to trot out on the campaign trail.
Seems i was totally wrong to above Hunt of any blame last night. I'm with stonemuse on this... It's a serious enough matter that loads of people from the top down have some responsibility for observing decent security protocols. As would every business.
Whole affair is a shambles.
Is this Russia trying to influence the election again
Seems i was totally wrong to above Hunt of any blame last night. I'm with stonemuse on this... It's a serious enough matter that loads of people from the top down have some responsibility for observing decent security protocols. As would every business.
Whole affair is a shambles.
Is this Russia trying to influence the election again
Possibly not. According to the BBC, Russia was hardest hit in this attack. "Some reports said Russia had seen more infections than any other single country. Domestic banks, the interior and health ministries, the state-owned Russian railway firm and the second largest mobile phone network were all reported to have been hit. Russia's interior ministry said 1,000 of its computers had been infected but the virus was swiftly dealt with and no sensitive data was compromised." Could all be a double bluff of course!
Seems i was totally wrong to above Hunt of any blame last night. I'm with stonemuse on this... It's a serious enough matter that loads of people from the top down have some responsibility for observing decent security protocols. As would every business.
Whole affair is a shambles.
Is this Russia trying to influence the election again
Possibly not. According to the BBC, Russia was hardest hit in this attack. "Some reports said Russia had seen more infections than any other single country. Domestic banks, the interior and health ministries, the state-owned Russian railway firm and the second largest mobile phone network were all reported to have been hit. Russia's interior ministry said 1,000 of its computers had been infected but the virus was swiftly dealt with and no sensitive data was compromised." Could all be a double bluff of course!
It was probably my mum trying to send a text. Last time she tried to record something on the telly she opened a portal into narnia
Ok, so if my boss tells me to back up/ save my work and make sure am using latest version of everything and I don't bother, lose loads of my work and get infected with a virus then my boss should be sacked ?
Seems i was totally wrong to above Hunt of any blame last night. I'm with stonemuse on this... It's a serious enough matter that loads of people from the top down have some responsibility for observing decent security protocols. As would every business.
Whole affair is a shambles.
Is this Russia trying to influence the election again
Possibly not. According to the BBC, Russia was hardest hit in this attack. "Some reports said Russia had seen more infections than any other single country. Domestic banks, the interior and health ministries, the state-owned Russian railway firm and the second largest mobile phone network were all reported to have been hit. Russia's interior ministry said 1,000 of its computers had been infected but the virus was swiftly dealt with and no sensitive data was compromised." Could all be a double bluff of course!
It was probably my mum trying to send a text. Last time she tried to record something on the telly she opened a portal into narnia
Ok, so if my boss tells me to back up/ save my work and make sure am using latest version of everything and I don't bother, lose loads of my work and get infected with a virus then my boss should be sacked ?
So your boss hadn't checked to see if you have done what he asked? Even though it was his responsibility to. Did you even vote for your boss?
Yeah, this is what The Mirror had to say: "The number of urgent operations cancelled for a second or subsequent time during the period also nearly doubled to its highest rate in more than five years."
It was talking about the effects of the doctors' strike though.
There are reasons they were striking though aren't there and a major one being the incompetent Health Secretary, who seems to have gone missing again leaving Rudd to front up #Where'sJeremy
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Microsoft demand a single license for each machine, same as universities and schools, so the cost of upgrading that many machines is astronomical.
@cafcfan if it is so simple as downloading virtualbox, why are only 23% of trusts using it? I don't really expect nhs managers to be experts on cyber security, but apparently the Prime Minister knew of this vulnerability when Home Secretary. Why did the government not make it policy if it was so simple? Or was it right that they waited for this to happen so they could tell us another way the NHS has failed?
NHS managers is like socialists, it has become such a dirty phrase. Easy to assign blame and great bogeyman, 'watch out or the managers will get our health service'. There isn't a single person I know that isn't underpaid or overworked in the NHS, can't say I know too many managers, which is surprising considering how many there supposedly are. Anyway this is the system we have under a long term Tory government and despite the promise of no more top down reorganisation, they have brought in Capita to that very thing. The bit you're going to love the most is they have brought in more managers to do this and get rid of all the work-shy NHS managers.
We went to having the most expensive university system in Europe without ever having an adult conversation about it. Slowly the same thing is happening with the NHS and privatisation. Ultimately it is the department of health that runs the NHS and the minister is responsible, us voting is the accountability. All the recent failings have happened under a conservative government.
I think it is just like everyday life mate, some people are more tech savvy than others. The real question is why hasn't this been communicated and become a centralised policy?
This should have been a matter of highest priority.
Makes no sense why there is a different backup between Trusts.
If that is true - but is it? - it's quite staggering that it hasn't been done.
"I hope the answer is yes, that is the instructions that everybody has received in the past. That is good cyber defence.
"We will find out over the next few days if there are any holes in that."
If backups have not been made, the IT departments in the NHS are not going to come out of this looking good.
Hunt should also have followed up on it.
After all, it was his changes to IR35 legislation that led to NHS Digital deciding all IT Contractors were now in scope, causing a mass walk out, including their Cyber Security contractors, a month ago now.
For Amber Rudd to point the finger at the NHS for ignoring Jeremy Hunt is outrages.
Rather than cut technology teams by the ankles, perhaps give them (and the whole NHS for that matter) the budgets they need to avoid having to make difficult prioritisation decisions that put the NHS at risk.
Sorry, but I am not convinced that some in the NHS are not also at fault here.
As I have said, Hunt has questions to answer ... but so do others within the NHS.
Strong and stable my arse. Come out and apologise, tell Hunt to resign or sack him, then I might believe she has a bit of this strength and stability she keeps going on about. If not, she's just another tossers of a politician
It's a lesson learned for those who skip updates and whinge when it takes 5 minutes out of your day to update your pcs software.
Basic security measures are known by kids at school and SHOULD NOT be ignored for whatever reason, PARTICULARLY where medical records are concerned.
I bet she won't.
Whole affair is a shambles.
Is this Russia trying to influence the election again
Russia's interior ministry said 1,000 of its computers had been infected but the virus was swiftly dealt with and no sensitive data was compromised."
Could all be a double bluff of course!
It was talking about the effects of the doctors' strike though.