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  • Gillis
    Gillis Posts: 998
    I'm interested to know where Steve Gallen fits into all of this. He's currently employed as our Head of Recruitment, but seems to have little or no background in scouting, compared with 20 years experience as a coach:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Gallen

    He's also apparently just completed his Pro Licence:

    https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/25898/millwall-boss-neil-harris-assistant-david-livemore-gain-uefa-pro-licences-course-liverpool-legend-charlton-recruitment-chief/


    No mention of him in the Bowyer article, though, where Robinson refers to "me, Johnnie and Lee."

    In many ways, Gallen looks like a better fit as an assistant manager, but I'm not sure we've had one of those for a while.
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,164
    Chizz said:

    Oh good. Another Lee Bowyer thread. Great. Can't get enough information on the horrible, nasty, spiteful, violent, thug.

    The topics are clearly titled, you don't have to read it!
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    Guest on the Alan Brazil sports breakfast tomorrow morning.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Chizz said:

    Bowyer is unproven as a coach or assistant manager but I've got a feeling he will end up as our manager. Probably by Christmas with Roland's track record

    Does he have any qualifications?
    Understand he has a B licence.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    He was very involved in Ireland. Barking instructions at the young midfielders of when to go and when to stay back. He did have a knack of being in the right place at the right time thus scoring many goals. He has played to a very high level with some extremely good footballers so I dare say he can't have got that far without picking up a few bits and bobs along the way.

    Time will tell
  • Southendaddick
    Southendaddick Posts: 5,314
    Well said swisdom

    Really happy with bowyer as a coach, loved him as a player although he obviously had his issues growing up

    Him and JJ should get the best out of our midfielders,not a massive fan of JFC but think he will get better under those 2

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,850

    Well said swisdom

    Really happy with bowyer as a coach, loved him as a player although he obviously had his issues growing up

    Him and JJ should get the best out of our midfielders,not a massive fan of JFC but think he will get better under those 2

    If anything, in terms of how they played the game, Bowyer and Jacko are a bit similar, both goal scoring midfielders when in their prime
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,345
    Heard that Lee was on Talksport this morning. Anyone listen to it ?
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376

    Well said swisdom

    Really happy with bowyer as a coach, loved him as a player although he obviously had his issues growing up

    Him and JJ should get the best out of our midfielders,not a massive fan of JFC but think he will get better under those 2

    Playing alongside Kashi rather than Crofts could also make a big difference.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,481
    Chizz said:

    Bowyer is unproven as a coach or assistant manager but I've got a feeling he will end up as our manager. Probably by Christmas with Roland's track record

    Does he have any qualifications?
    More than you at a guess.
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  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,456

    Heard that Lee was on Talksport this morning. Anyone listen to it ?

    Link to the interview here
    .https://talksport.com/football/joe-hart-one-best-premier-league-transfer-deals-so-far-according-ex-west-ham-midfielder-lee
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,345
    clive said:

    Heard that Lee was on Talksport this morning. Anyone listen to it ?

    Link to the interview here
    .https://talksport.com/football/joe-hart-one-best-premier-league-transfer-deals-so-far-according-ex-west-ham-midfielder-lee
    Thanks.
  • Daarrzzetbum
    Daarrzzetbum Posts: 1,236
    He is a winner no doubt about that came across well on the radio earlier, have no doubts at all that he will get our midfielders amongst the goals, shame he is a WHUFC fan though which came across time and time again.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Alan Brazil couldn't wait to talk about anything but Charlton.

    Not a lot said by Bowyer really - just that the staff are excited to get the season underway as we look to be in good shape

    Time will tell I guess
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824

    Well said swisdom

    Really happy with bowyer as a coach, loved him as a player although he obviously had his issues growing up

    Him and JJ should get the best out of our midfielders,not a massive fan of JFC but think he will get better under those 2

    I really hope that he does well. I just can't imagine him communicating well
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,045
    Swisdom said:

    Alan Brazil couldn't wait to talk about anything but Charlton.

    Not a lot said by Bowyer really - just that the staff are excited to get the season underway as we look to be in good shape

    Time will tell I guess

    I think two play-off defeats of his beloved Ipswich ensure that.
  • creepyaddick
    creepyaddick Posts: 6,152
    I believe Bowyer will be the next Curbs, hopefully all the bollocks going on upstairs will end soon enough and he'll stay here, but if he does go, I've got a feeling he's going to do really well at management
  • razil
    razil Posts: 15,041
    (From the Acrrington away post match thread)

    So want to get excited about Bowyer as a manager, but we are still lacking the creativity we were last season, you can talk up players all you like but in the end they are what they are and we have Marshall playing instead of Ricky Holmes which apparently was his decision, and waiting for Fosu to come back fit - again. Then there is the substitutions or lack of which is more a concern. He talks a good game, is persuasive on signings, and seems more tactically aware than Gobbo and I guess he’s still learning too in the end.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,045
    "Learning too in the end" is what we should remember with Bowyer and Jackson. Hopefully they'll still be with us come the end of the season and we have had a reasonable season.

    They could then build on this and hopefully be our next Curbishley and Gritt.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,037

    I believe Bowyer will be the next Curbs, hopefully all the bollocks going on upstairs will end soon enough and he'll stay here, but if he does go, I've got a feeling he's going to do really well at management

    "Learning too in the end" is what we should remember with Bowyer and Jackson. Hopefully they'll still be with us come the end of the season and we have had a reasonable season.

    They could then build on this and hopefully be our next Curbishley and Gritt.

    What has Bowyer actually done to suggest he is the next Curbishley?
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  • Does that mean one of them will be sacked?
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    razil said:

    (From the Acrrington away post match thread)

    So want to get excited about Bowyer as a manager, but we are still lacking the creativity we were last season, you can talk up players all you like but in the end they are what they are and we have Marshall playing instead of Ricky Holmes which apparently was his decision, and waiting for Fosu to come back fit - again. Then there is the substitutions or lack of which is more a concern. He talks a good game, is persuasive on signings, and seems more tactically aware than Gobbo and I guess he’s still learning too in the end.

    Being limited by his budget is a big factor for me. In 2011 Powell could go out and pay a fee for Dale Stephens to add creativity in the middle, and added Green as a different alternative to Wagstaff. Yann on a free made a huge difference as well, players like him won’t often come along at this level.

    He was unlucky to lose JFC for the season. It seems he still wants to add a midfielder and/or winger/striker to the squad which will hopefully add more creativity to the squad. Fosu and Clarke returning will help with that as well. Then there’s players like Aribo, Morgan and Maloney he’ll be working to develop. We could do with Aribo adding more goals to his game.

    With a bigger budget I think he could put together a nicely balanced squad. Unlike KR he appears to see you need a mix of creativity and physicality, and isn’t tied down to one formation.
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,989
    razil said:

    (From the Acrrington away post match thread)

    We have Marshall playing instead of Ricky Holmes which apparently was his decision

    Where's that come from? Surely Homes was sold for the same reason virtually every other talented player we've had over the last few years has been sold - to line our owner's pockets.

    Every manager we've had under Roland has been hamstrung by the ineptitude of our owner and his senior management team, but none more so than Bowyer. Unable to name a full substitutes bench in the first three games, the team littered with kids, a backdrop of uncertainty and cost-cutting.

    We look a far better side under Bowyer than we did under the scouse chancer, despite having a far, far weaker squad. He is virtually beyond criticism under the current circumstances, and we do ourselves no favours at all by pointing the finger at him. It's hardly surprising he can't make game changing substitutions - the most senior player on the bench is a striker that Katrien blew the budget on 2 managers ago and that neither of Bowyer's predecessors thought was worthy of a place in the squad.

    Any discussion on the merits of managers, coaches or players is virtually irrelevant while we still have an owner who won't even stretch to bottled water.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    maybe the players he has are just not as good as he was......he may be expecting them to pass or shoot in certain circumstances, as it would have been what he would have done. You cant polish a turd, as they say.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,045
    se9addick said:

    I believe Bowyer will be the next Curbs, hopefully all the bollocks going on upstairs will end soon enough and he'll stay here, but if he does go, I've got a feeling he's going to do really well at management

    "Learning too in the end" is what we should remember with Bowyer and Jackson. Hopefully they'll still be with us come the end of the season and we have had a reasonable season.

    They could then build on this and hopefully be our next Curbishley and Gritt.

    What has Bowyer actually done to suggest he is the next Curbishley?
    Hopefully the transformation when he took over suggests there is potential.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    I understand peoples frustrations, we need to be beating teams like Accrington Stanley if we are to have any chance of competing near the top of the league, and I understand the frustrations of the lack of substitutions, but what exactly would or could Bowyer have done differently?

    The only option I can think of is bringing on Morgan and hoping he makes the same impact he did last weekend, but at the same time we don't know how fit he was as he played on Tuesday and has only recently came back from an injury. He wouldn't have brought on Ajose, that is clear that he just isn't in his plans at the moment. The options from the bench didn't give us an opportunity to make changes and mix things up.

    I think it is clear that Bowyer is really wanting to get a couple of deals over the line, get them in the squad and then you also have the players currently out injured, to come back into the squad too. Once that happens, in only a little under two weeks, we should start to see more changes, a stronger squad, more creativity, hopefully more goals and start to get clean sheets.

    I applaud him with the way he has conducted himself and still managed to get some form competitiveness in the team with the constraints he is under, practically both hands tied behind his back.

    I would love nothing more than him to be given a chance under new ownership with people who is going to support and back him, getting in the players we need, because I genuinely think he is the man to get us good results and bring us up the division, he just needs that chance. Right now, we know the situation and all things considered, including his own admission of how poor we were yesterday, he is doing a very good job.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    se9addick said:

    I believe Bowyer will be the next Curbs, hopefully all the bollocks going on upstairs will end soon enough and he'll stay here, but if he does go, I've got a feeling he's going to do really well at management

    "Learning too in the end" is what we should remember with Bowyer and Jackson. Hopefully they'll still be with us come the end of the season and we have had a reasonable season.

    They could then build on this and hopefully be our next Curbishley and Gritt.

    What has Bowyer actually done to suggest he is the next Curbishley?
    Although perhaps you could ask, "What had Curbishley actually done to suggest he was the next Curbishley?", after Curbs first 15 games?

    In the early days, it was a learning curve for Curbs too (and Gritty).
    But Curbs was given support and the time to gain the experience that made him such a good manager and Charlton legend.

    In my book, Bowyer's on course and doing ok, so far.

  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,338
    Bowyer is still the temporary replacement for a manager who left, joined another club and has left them. His temporary job bat Charlton has lasted longer than Robinson's permanent career at Oxford. Bizarre.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955

    Lee Bowyer's been Caretaker Manager longer than Karel Fraeye was Interim Manager.

  • Chizz said:

    Bowyer is still the temporary replacement for a manager who left, joined another club and has left them. His temporary job bat Charlton has lasted longer than Robinson's permanent career at Oxford. Bizarre.

    I don't think Robinson has left Oxford yet, give it another couple of games