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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    Or because he was aware that he might be pushed. Which given how Adkins transformed our play for those 10 games, isn't unrealistic of an outcome.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,002
    Cafc43v3r said:
    He's coming home, he's coming home........ 
    Fine with me 
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    He did was ready to go the summer before TS come along, was agreed to go to Brum, but then they pulled out.. He had his heart set on them for a while.

    But I would have him back.. but that ship has sailed.. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    If we reappoint Bowyer I'm booking the club for psychotherapy. With someone expensive
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,701
    Dont honestly understand this need to want Bowyer back. The play off final was amazing and something I will never forget but he is also burnt his own bridges by talking to/about the players like shit and humiliating them, no one came across happy with him at the helm and he is another who has the ethos of " this is the system i'm playing and thats that" with little to no flexibility.

    Personally feel we need a break from former legends etc coming back to manage to the club. Beale was the academy sure but his coaching education is so much more vast than JJ or LB that you feel he will actually have a plan b if things were looking bad in a game.
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Charlton fans always want their old players and manager. It's part of our limited search criteria.
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    edited May 2022
    mendonca said:
    Charlton fans always want their old players and manager. It's part of our limited search criteria.
    Who was the last successful permanent manager we have had who had no previous connection with the club (playing or coaching)

    Andy Nelson
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    JohnnyH2 said:
    mendonca said:
    Charlton fans always want their old players and manager. It's part of our limited search criteria.
    Who was the last successful permanent manager we have had who had no previous connection with the club (playing or coaching)

    Andy Nelson
    I have been thinking about this, and about people saying so and so did well at x but struggled at y.

    If you look at all our managers since Curbs left, going back future adds no value imo, and exclude the 2 non football managers that got the job haven't they all been heavily influenced by the support, or lack of, they have had?

    The conclusion I came to to is bar Pardew (former player) in the 1st championship season they have all performed, more or less, as you would expect when you consider everything else?

    For example would Parkinson, Robinson or even Adkins have had a good shot at promotion if they had had the same support, automony etc etc that Powell had?  They might not of got 100+ points but I think they would probably have done better than they did.

    Would anyone of played the hand that Luzon was delt significantly better?

    In short I don't really think the manager makes that much difference, within reason.  I also think it's a coincidence that Powell and Bowyer were both ex players. 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    ……. where as under Matt Southall with a Range Rover as a sweetener everything was rosey .
    Lee done what was best for him , as you’d expect , please don’t make out he walked cos he pre empted our current control freak 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,169
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    I think Lee Bowyer knew full well that another owner would have sacked him weeks before, possibly after the Accrington game but almost certainly after the Blackpool game. We'd just lost to Gillingham, Burton (again!), drawn with Fleetwood and got absolutely murdered by Blackpool. We got 3 red cards across those 4 games, 2 for Chuks. He then lasted another 4 games before he walked, but if anything he was unbelievably lucky to still be hanging on up to that point. Bowyer was in about seven ongoing wars with individual players and was running out of people to drop and blame. He was absolutely hanging on and I think he only lasted as long as he did because Sandgaard really didn't want to be a sacking owner, something we saw again with Adkins staying too long. The idea that Bowyer sized up Sandgaard, an essentially benevolent owner, hated what he saw and then went to work for bloody Birmingham of all people's owners is either hilarious or indicates that Bowyer is in serious need of sectioning.
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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,012
    Those wanting Bowyer back have clearly forgotten how shit we had become under him. 14 wins in 35 games when he left, and we'd won once at home in 3 months. We were beaten at home by Accrington, Gillingham and Burton.

    Some of our fans make me laugh, too many failed regimes, we need a clean sweep of our staff, new people, new ideas etc etc, then as soon as the managers gone they're calling for us to bring back the guy who failed just 14 months ago.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,222
    Those wanting Bowyer back have clearly forgotten how shit we had become under him. 14 wins in 35 games when he left, and we'd won once at home in 3 months. We were beaten at home by Accrington, Gillingham and Burton.

    Some of our fans make me laugh, too many failed regimes, we need a clean sweep of our staff, new people, new ideas etc etc, then as soon as the managers gone they're calling for us to bring back the guy who failed just 14 months ago.
    Agreed with the clean sweep re staff from top to bottom. Recruitment included. 
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    The owner wants high pressing, fluid, possession based football. Which apart from the first half against Forest at home, we never really threatened under Bowyer.

    Bowyer, although not afraid to change shape, preferred a more pragmatic style, building from the back, staying compact and getting players behind the ball whilst letting the opposition have the ball in front of the box before looking to counter. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Those wanting Bowyer back have clearly forgotten how shit we had become under him. 14 wins in 35 games when he left, and we'd won once at home in 3 months. We were beaten at home by Accrington, Gillingham and Burton.

    Some of our fans make me laugh, too many failed regimes, we need a clean sweep of our staff, new people, new ideas etc etc, then as soon as the managers gone they're calling for us to bring back the guy who failed just 14 months ago.
    I partially agree, it was largely this group of players still back then. 
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,768
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    ……. where as under Matt Southall with a Range Rover as a sweetener everything was rosey .
    Lee done what was best for him , as you’d expect , please don’t make out he walked cos he pre empted our current control freak 

    Nah , I believe Bowyer knew exactly what the new owner was like. He has been in football most of his life, and will have seen all sorts.

  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    ……. where as under Matt Southall with a Range Rover as a sweetener everything was rosey .
    Lee done what was best for him , as you’d expect , please don’t make out he walked cos he pre empted our current control freak 
    Didn't Bowyer also get an improved contract while Southall was here?

    Some could say some dark things were being organised while knowing a dodgy fake Owner had come in with his pound.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,169
    Think Lee walked because he summed up TS, and didn't like what he saw.
    ……. where as under Matt Southall with a Range Rover as a sweetener everything was rosey .
    Lee done what was best for him , as you’d expect , please don’t make out he walked cos he pre empted our current control freak 

    Nah , I believe Bowyer knew exactly what the new owner was like. He has been in football most of his life, and will have seen all sorts.

    So what are you actually saying? That he worked for Roland, Southall, and the Birmingham lot willingly but TS with his guitar was too much?
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,261
    edited May 2022
    JohnnyH2 said:
    mendonca said:
    Charlton fans always want their old players and manager. It's part of our limited search criteria.
    Who was the last successful permanent manager we have had who had no previous connection with the club (playing or coaching)

    Andy Nelson
    Lennie Lawrence / 
    Iain Dowie ?
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,222
    JohnnyH2 said:
    mendonca said:
    Charlton fans always want their old players and manager. It's part of our limited search criteria.
    Who was the last successful permanent manager we have had who had no previous connection with the club (playing or coaching)

    Andy Nelson
    Lennie Lawrence / 
    Iain Dowie ?
    Lennie was Reserve team coach before caretaker of the first team and then permanent manager

    Dowie was Murray’s thing to get at Jordan 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,265
    JohnnyH2 said:
    mendonca said:
    Charlton fans always want their old players and manager. It's part of our limited search criteria.
    Who was the last successful permanent manager we have had who had no previous connection with the club (playing or coaching)

    Andy Nelson
    Lennie Lawrence / 
    Iain Dowie ?
    Successful and Iain Dowie doesn't mix
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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,785
    42 years since the last Charlton manager come in with no previous connection to us. To be successful. I can see why people are clamouring for a clean brush. Just give the job to Euell. 
    I think the issue with Euell is that he is tainted by association in the same way as JJ was. Is the football likely to be any different or more successful on that basis? Whereas certain other candidates that do have a previous association with the Club have evidenced that they have been both successful and that their side(s) play good football.  
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    42 years since the last Charlton manager come in with no previous connection to us. To be successful. I can see why people are clamouring for a clean brush. Just give the job to Euell. 
    To be honest we have only ever had 3 successful managers.  2 of them never played for us.  It's not a great sample size is it.

    Would you rather another Pardew? 
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,855
    42 years since the last Charlton manager come in with no previous connection to us. To be successful. I can see why people are clamouring for a clean brush. Just give the job to Euell. 
    ?
    Dowie, Slade, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Parkinson, Robinson, Slade...Unless I'm misreading?
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    42 years since the last Charlton manager come in with no previous connection to us. To be successful. I can see why people are clamouring for a clean brush. Just give the job to Euell. 
    ?
    Dowie, Slade, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Parkinson, Robinson, Slade...Unless I'm misreading?
    Parkinson was already here as Assistant Manager. He also go us into the play offs in his 1 full season in charge
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,855
    JohnnyH2 said:
    42 years since the last Charlton manager come in with no previous connection to us. To be successful. I can see why people are clamouring for a clean brush. Just give the job to Euell. 
    ?
    Dowie, Slade, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Parkinson, Robinson, Slade...Unless I'm misreading?
    Parkinson was already here as Assistant Manager. He also go us into the play offs in his 1 full season in charge
    Good point but the other 8 had no Charlton connection, whereas the post suggests its 42 years since that happened...
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,768
    JohnnyH2 said:
    42 years since the last Charlton manager come in with no previous connection to us. To be successful. I can see why people are clamouring for a clean brush. Just give the job to Euell. 
    ?
    Dowie, Slade, Riga, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Parkinson, Robinson, Slade...Unless I'm misreading?
    Parkinson was already here as Assistant Manager. He also go us into the play offs in his 1 full season in charge
    Good point but the other 8 had no Charlton connection, whereas the post suggests its 42 years since that happened...

    Perhaps it just bloody feels like 42 years 😄
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,855
    It’s longer Actually we won promotion under nelson in the 1974/75 season and he got sacked 79/80 season. 
    I'm still confused - its not over 42 years since the last manager with no previous Charlton connection was appointed - its 14 months (Nigel Adkins).
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,560
    Can you not fucking read won promotion 
    thinks it's you with the problem because your initial post was:

     '42 years since the last Charlton manager come in with no previous connection to us. To be successful. I can see why people are clamouring for a clean brush. Just give the job to Euell'.  

    no mention of them having got promotion
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,855
    Can you not fucking read won promotion 
    Can you not fucking read what you write?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Yes I can read it. It’s you that can’t. I said successful. Not successive. 
    Ask your teacher what it means. 
    Then I stated them and the promotions. 
    Yet your still confused 
    think you should call yourself moronic addict 
    Alan Pardew ex player 1, and reaponsible for another, relegations.  What's your point?

    Its been nearly 30 years since we appointed a successful manager full stop.