How do the Tories need to change?
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Just watched a bit of the Daily Politics show, what a bloody disgrace our politicians are.
The Tories (Stephen Crabb & Harriet Baldwin) can't condemn or criticise Israel, Labour (Richard Burgon) can't acknowledge any responsibility on the behalf of Hamas.
Harriet Baldwin didn't even know the difference between a green and a white paper and both Burgon and Baldwin completely fudged the Brexit questions, why even bother turning up if you are not going to tell us anything. You can see why lots of people where taken in by Farage's shtick as at least he said stuff.
We need PR badly so I can vote for any vaguely competent individual and not waste my vote/let the Tories in.6 -
Did you see Corbyns first question in PMQ's today?
Genuine LOL.2 -
Or mix her up with Thatcher and get the Ironmaiden Lady, now that would be torture.seth plum said:
Do you think Lady Maidenhead will hook up with Lord Buckethead?ShootersHillGuru said:She’s there until Brexit goes through next March. Once that point is out of the way she will be replaced shouldering the blame for the bad deal and to give the next leader a chance to lie his way to the next general election. No doubt a nice place in the upper chamber awaits her as reward for her paltry efforts.
Lady Maidenhead. You heard it here first.1 -
I don't watch it as it makes me too angry/it is pointless.seth plum said:Did you see Corbyns first question in PMQ's today?
Genuine LOL.1 -
Actually good, concise questions from Corbyn. He should have been doing this with Brexit for the past year. Absolutely no answers from May though, just like Karen Bradley at the select committee.0
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It says everything about the state of the Conservative party when a lame duck Prime Minister is still probably the best person to deliver it as well. If they were to have a leadership election before Brexit it would probably become a Tory membership vote on what type of Brexit. So effectively it would be a small minority choosing the future of the country, that is if the party trusts the membership this time.ShootersHillGuru said:She’s there until Brexit goes through next March. Once that point is out of the way she will be replaced shouldering the blame for the bad deal and to give the next leader a chance to lie his way to the next general election. No doubt a nice place in the upper chamber awaits her as reward for her paltry efforts.
Lady Maidenhead. You heard it here first.
I think you can also read in to their values when they would rather have a bullet sponge in charge at one of the most important moments in our nation's history rather than someone who is going to lead us through and beyond. Always the party before the country.5 -
Oh ffs just re-nationalise it permanently https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/16/east-coast-rail-line-to-be-temporarily-renationalised-virgin-stagecoach .
This what happens when ideology gets in the way of common sense.0 -
If it is profitable a second time it will only strengthen the argument.Cordoban Addick said:Oh ffs just re-nationalise it permanently https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/16/east-coast-rail-line-to-be-temporarily-renationalised-virgin-stagecoach .
This what happens when ideology gets in the way of common sense.1 -
A member of the 200 club.Cordoban Addick said:
I don't watch it as it makes me too angry/it is pointless.seth plum said:Did you see Corbyns first question in PMQ's today?
Genuine LOL.1 -
An argument that will no doubt be ignored because it does not fit in with the private good/public bad narrative.mcgrandall said:
If it is profitable a second time it will only strengthen the argument.Cordoban Addick said:Oh ffs just re-nationalise it permanently https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/16/east-coast-rail-line-to-be-temporarily-renationalised-virgin-stagecoach .
This what happens when ideology gets in the way of common sense.1 -
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Just think how many Ukip MP's we'd have had in 2015 though (nearly 80!). I agree it is a better, fairer, system but can't see either of the two main parties going for it.Cordoban Addick said:Just watched a bit of the Daily Politics show, what a bloody disgrace our politicians are.
The Tories (Stephen Crabb & Harriet Baldwin) can't condemn or criticise Israel, Labour (Richard Burgon) can't acknowledge any responsibility on the behalf of Hamas.
Harriet Baldwin didn't even know the difference between a green and a white paper and both Burgon and Baldwin completely fudged the Brexit questions, why even bother turning up if you are not going to tell us anything. You can see why lots of people where taken in by Farage's shtick as at least he said stuff.
We need PR badly so I can vote for any vaguely competent individual and not waste my vote/let the Tories in.
Serious question as I don't know, under that system who would be PM? as I suspect it would almost always be hung. Would it mean whoever can form a majority coalition? Or simply the one with the most seats?
It would certainly make me more likely to not vote Tory or Labour that's for sure. It'll probably make people laugh who know what cars I drive but I'd vote Green.
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It would have given us loads of UKIP MPs (in 2015) but it is is the fairest system. It would also have given us more Greens & LDs and less SNPs & Tories. I think Labour would have had a slight gain.Rob7Lee said:
Just think how many Ukip MP's we'd have had in 2015 though (nearly 80!). I agree it is a better, fairer, system but can't see either of the two main parties going for it.Cordoban Addick said:Just watched a bit of the Daily Politics show, what a bloody disgrace our politicians are.
The Tories (Stephen Crabb & Harriet Baldwin) can't condemn or criticise Israel, Labour (Richard Burgon) can't acknowledge any responsibility on the behalf of Hamas.
Harriet Baldwin didn't even know the difference between a green and a white paper and both Burgon and Baldwin completely fudged the Brexit questions, why even bother turning up if you are not going to tell us anything. You can see why lots of people where taken in by Farage's shtick as at least he said stuff.
We need PR badly so I can vote for any vaguely competent individual and not waste my vote/let the Tories in.
Serious question as I don't know, under that system who would be PM? as I suspect it would almost always be hung. Would it mean whoever can form a majority coalition? Or simply the one with the most seats?
It would certainly make me more likely to not vote Tory or Labour that's for sure. It'll probably make people laugh who know what cars I drive but I'd vote Green.
It means politicians need to compromise which is always a good thing.4 -
Labour would have lost nearly 40 seats, but yes the main loser would have been Tories and then SNP.Cordoban Addick said:
It would have given us loads of UKIP MPs (in 2015) but it is is the fairest system. It would also have given us more Greens & LDs and less SNPs & Tories. I think Labour would have had a slight gain.Rob7Lee said:
Just think how many Ukip MP's we'd have had in 2015 though (nearly 80!). I agree it is a better, fairer, system but can't see either of the two main parties going for it.Cordoban Addick said:Just watched a bit of the Daily Politics show, what a bloody disgrace our politicians are.
The Tories (Stephen Crabb & Harriet Baldwin) can't condemn or criticise Israel, Labour (Richard Burgon) can't acknowledge any responsibility on the behalf of Hamas.
Harriet Baldwin didn't even know the difference between a green and a white paper and both Burgon and Baldwin completely fudged the Brexit questions, why even bother turning up if you are not going to tell us anything. You can see why lots of people where taken in by Farage's shtick as at least he said stuff.
We need PR badly so I can vote for any vaguely competent individual and not waste my vote/let the Tories in.
Serious question as I don't know, under that system who would be PM? as I suspect it would almost always be hung. Would it mean whoever can form a majority coalition? Or simply the one with the most seats?
It would certainly make me more likely to not vote Tory or Labour that's for sure. It'll probably make people laugh who know what cars I drive but I'd vote Green.
It means politicians need to compromise which is always a good thing.
I like the idea, but just don't see it happening.0 -
I don't always agree with Polly Toynbee but I think she is right on this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/17/theresa-may-trump-migrant-visas
The article in the main explores her policies toward non EU visas, hence why not in the EU thread. How on earth are we going to reduce the damage of Brexit if we don't have policies that fill the skills gap from the rest of the world?0 -
How do the Tories need to change?
They can start by offering Nando's discount cards to members of course!3 -
classic toryism, try and use something that was popular 5 years ago to try and entice young people.1
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they're giving kids ketamine ???kentaddick said:classic toryism, try and use something that was popular 5 years ago to try and entice young people.
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One very good change would be in an Iranian prison cell where Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe could be changed for Boris Johnson, and he could serve out the rest of her sentence for her.1
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These are the nominated candidates I have to choose between in Lewisham East.
ADOO-KISSI-DEBRAH, Rosamund (Green Party)
ARCHER, Ross Kenneth (The Conservative Party Candidate)
CAREY, Charles Edward (No label)
DABY, Janet Jessica (Labour Party)
DIMAMBRO, Massimo James (Democrats and Veterans Party)
FINCH, Sean Edward (Libertarian Party)
GRAY, Patrick Hugo (The Radical Party)
HALL, Thomas Bartholomew (Young People`s Party YPP)
HOPE, Howling Laud (The Official Monster Raving Loony Party)
KURTEN, David (UKIP)
MARTIN, Maureen (Christian Peoples Alliance)
REID, Mandu (Women's Equality Party)
SALEK, Lucy (Liberal Democrats)
WATERS, Anne Marie (The For Britain Movement)0 -
For anybody considering voting Tory in Lewisham East, may I point out that Ross Archer is a Crystal Palace fan.
This is his campaign picture allegedly
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Definitely not a bribe though.....Callumcafc said:How do the Tories need to change?
They can start by offering Nando's discount cards to members of course!0 -
Have the Tories announced any other actions over the Salisbury attack other than the expulsion of diplomats and another delay to the legislation covering money laundering?0
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Your endless diatribes would hold more value if you had ever denounced Straw for sanctioning actual multiple renditioning, illegal imprisonment and torture.seth plum said:One very good change would be in an Iranian prison cell where Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe could be changed for Boris Johnson, and he could serve out the rest of her sentence for her.
Now that is someone with real blood on his hands.
Along with Blair, obviously.
It's even been in The Grauniad, recently, so you may have been reminded of the sickening attitudes prevalent in the Bliar regime.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/11/jack-straw-give-evidence-role-libyan-rendition-abdel-hakim-belhaj-fatima-boudchar0 -
In order to feel antagonistic towards Boris Johnson I have to find stuff to denounce?A-R-T-H-U-R said:
Your endless diatribes would hold more value if you had ever denounced Straw for sanctioning actual multiple renditioning, illegal imprisonment and torture.seth plum said:One very good change would be in an Iranian prison cell where Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe could be changed for Boris Johnson, and he could serve out the rest of her sentence for her.
Now that is someone with real blood on his hands.
Along with Blair, obviously.
It's even been in The Grauniad, recently, so you may have been reminded of the sickening attitudes prevalent in the Bliar regime.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/11/jack-straw-give-evidence-role-libyan-rendition-abdel-hakim-belhaj-fatima-boudchar
How does that work? If I don't denounce something you suggest, it makes Johnson's behaviour acceptable?
I am not excusing any previous bad behaviour by not denouncing it.4 -
So, the truth comes out. The Tories hurt vulnerable people.
George Osborne and Iain Duncan-Smith. Poison.
theguardian.com/society/2018/may/22/benefit-sanctions-found-to-be-ineffective-and-damaging1 -
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Who said the press are out to get him?
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Gove is re-inventing himself more often than Madonna.
His latest incarnation is a new age, nature loving, hippie.
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So, appropriate for his current job?seth plum said:Gove is re-inventing himself more often than Madonna.
His latest incarnation is a new age, nature loving, hippie.
Edit, sorry, the evil tory scum.0 -
Gove is a strange man. He has never been a conventional Tory. He was adopted and sees himself as achieving against the odds. Of course his academic achievements have some basis in his parents by adoption, he has this desire for 'exceptional' underprivliged kids to be given every opportunity. Anybody who is normal or unexeptional he despises.seth plum said:Gove is re-inventing himself more often than Madonna.
His latest incarnation is a new age, nature loving, hippie.
The problem is reality is a warped fantasy as his desire to go back to a time that doesn't exist anymore as anybody in education will tell you. He is disloyal and sly and hated more within is own party than he is even in other parties. It is not surprising he is re-inventing himself and he is one person it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up switching to Labour. if that ever happens, I hope they tell him to p**s off!
There is a three letter word that best describes him and it begins with G and ends with T.0
