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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,849
    Re the ashes, boycott used to say about twenty years ago that you should pick three openers for a test down there as usually lose an early wicket.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,652
    cantersaddick said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    SantaClaus said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    redman said:

    Playing 5 seamers makes no sense. What can a captain do with them? Obviously if Stokes can't bowl then that is different. Hopefully he can be given a good rest before the Ashes series.

    As for the batting we do have options. Both Hales and Ballance are getting runs and this is now their favoured position. As 2 and 3 it hasn't worked for them but they have both got a hatful of runs and deserves to be given a chance in their now favoured position if Malan continues to fail.

    I think Bairstow has good technique and could do a good job at 3 (or even 2). This may mean taking the gloves off him but we have some good options here.

    It makes sense if they are getting wickets. We are not getting enough runs so need to get wickets. Stokes 6, Ali 7 and Woakes 8 is decent anyway, with TRJ chipping in from 9. Possibly could go with 2 spinners as Rashid is a good Number 9. Hales and Ballance are decent players, but neither have done all that at test level. Would go with Hales over Ballance, he's been tried now and doesn't do it, whether that's 3, 4 or 5, he hasn't scored runs.
    I'm not his biggest fan but I'd pick Bell over either Ballance or Hales. Would the selectors eat that much humble pie though?
    Bell is in terrible form though. Gave up Warwickshire captaincy to Trott to find some form though so might end the season well.
    Doubt it. His form has been symbolic for over 2 years now. I doubt he has it still in him. Anyone who's seen him or followed county cricket knows he's not got it any more.
    We either punt on a player who is bang out of form but who single handedly won a series a few years ago or go with players who have such glaring issues with their technique that they'll get ripped to pieces down under. We're pretty much at the stage where our only other options are still playing for their school XI.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    MrOneLung said:

    Re the ashes, boycott used to say about twenty years ago that you should pick three openers for a test down there as usually lose an early wicket.

    Think that's why a lot of people would play Hameed at 3.
  • happyvalley
    happyvalley Posts: 8,996
    cafcfan1990 said:

    MrOneLung said:

    Re the ashes, boycott used to say about twenty years ago that you should pick three openers for a test down there as usually lose an early wicket.

    Think that's why a lot of people would play Hameed at 3.
    It's a shame he's only got a few weeks to find a bit of form.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    happyvalley said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    MrOneLung said:

    Re the ashes, boycott used to say about twenty years ago that you should pick three openers for a test down there as usually lose an early wicket.

    Think that's why a lot of people would play Hameed at 3.
    It's a shame he's only got a few weeks to find a bit of form.
    yeah not actually my opinion, just seen a fair few who would play him there. But as you said, lack of form is worrying. But picking the form players isn't working that well so not sure what the answer is to be honest.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,626
    Back to the Test match.........

    The morning session is going to be key. If we can get to lunch losing no more than 2 wickets & are around 80 ahead then we still have half a chance of winning. We need to get at least 350 & probably over 400 to have a chance - anything less and the Windies will only need to get 180-200 to win, which I'm sure they'll do.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    I have visions of the Windies being set 150 to 200 to win, and collapsing under the pressure of what would be a massive win for them, for less than 100
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    I think a target of 200+ will be enough. Thin if we get to 350 ish we could be ok. Might be reliant on Root to get a ton though, reckon Malan will go early.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    cafcfan1990 said:

    I think a target of 200+ will be enough. Thin if we get to 350 ish we could be ok. Might be reliant on Root to get a ton though, reckon Malan will go early.

    Stokes will get another ton, and celebrate by shouting "get f*cking in there" thus getting banned from the Lord's test
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    killerandflash said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    I think a target of 200+ will be enough. Thin if we get to 350 ish we could be ok. Might be reliant on Root to get a ton though, reckon Malan will go early.

    Stokes will get another ton, and celebrate by shouting "get f*cking in there" thus getting banned from the Lord's test
    certainly wouldn't be against that! Don't want him banned for an Ashes test.
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    cafcfan1990 said:

    killerandflash said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    I think a target of 200+ will be enough. Thin if we get to 350 ish we could be ok. Might be reliant on Root to get a ton though, reckon Malan will go early.

    Stokes will get another ton, and celebrate by shouting "get f*cking in there" thus getting banned from the Lord's test
    certainly wouldn't be against that! Don't want him banned for an Ashes test.
    If he gets a demerit point in the Lord's test, the ban will apply for the T20s which would be fine also!
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Meanwhile....

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  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Goes to show it's all about playing the conditions
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    Massive innings this for Malan.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    carly burn said:

    Massive innings this for Malan.

    SSSHhhhhhhh !
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    Poor shot from Root.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    edited August 2017
    230-4 England lead by 61 runs.

    It's looking like this game may go to a 5th day !
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Stokes 50
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    300-4
    Stokes 56 no
    Malan 60 no
  • Lazy_eye_metaphor
    Lazy_eye_metaphor Posts: 1,959
    Really gritty fight back by England. How many extra runs would we have if all of Gabriel's no balls were called?
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  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    edited August 2017
    Stokes gone 303-5
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    Milan bowled for 61, 312-6
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    need a 50 partnership between Bairstow and Ali and then I would say we are favourites.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    All the bounce in the pitch seems to have disappeared in the last 15 minutes, apart from the odd ball which takes off.

    It could be really interesting tomorrow. I do enjoy Headingley Tests.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    edited August 2017
    Bairstow out 18, reverse sweep, played onto his wicket, 327-7
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    Unless they bay appallingly we are quite short of where we need to be. Ali, Woakes and Broad need to add quite a few more.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    I think the WI could struggle to get 200 and quite honestly anything over 150 may be difficult for a rudderless team with little fight or pride.

    Cue captain Jason Holder just strolling off the pitch. He is clueless and a terrible leader.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    England 8/13 WI 11/4.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    355-7. Ali 21 off of 26 balls going well, a lead of 186
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    I've just stuck £20 on England to win.

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