In the contemporary world where far too many people are too easily offended and indeed seem to go out of their way to be offended and to find offence in everyday situations, men dressing up as women, so long as said men are not 'coming out' as trans-gender, could be construed as being offensive to women and trans-gender people (I hope I have used the current correct noun) as well as in this case offensive to nurses. People in authority, in this case the hospital/NHS managers, have to adhere to many guidelines dealing with all manner of situations. In this case, they would be/have been damned for taking the cash and damned for refusing it, depending on the opinion of the damner. Cliché time, they are between a boulder and a landslide. Personally, I have sympathy for the managers who have criticised this ostensible piece of fun. Nurses have been the butt of far too many jokes, especially on 'saucy' seaside postcards and do deserve to be treated with respect as the hard working skilled people they are in 'real life'. Perhaps next year the chaps concerned could dress as polar or koala bears. Everyone loves polar and koala bears and such outfits should attract little or no controversy, but I wouldn't bank on it
Maybe they should have contacted the trust beforehand and told them of their intended method of fundraising. I would have thought the same people who contributed would do the same regardless of what costume was chosen by the fundraisers. Maybe it's a little eye catching but I find it cringeworthy, like those on stag weekends or sporting events. Shame really, good cause, well intentioned but poorly received, the trust could have told the men to stop from the start but chose to make the point after the event. Personally I've never found fancy dress remotely amusing nor would it influence a donation from me one way or another. Dressed like a carry on nurse I would say demeans the individual.
it's not often that you hear charity donations being deemed insulting.
Not what was being said though is it.
Yes it is.
Bunch of humourless wankers.
Us Brits have a tradition of doing stupid and ridiculous things to raise money for charity and long may it continue. People are spending their own time and money to raise money for charity and they have it thrown back in their faces. Pathetic.
Who cares what they do to raise money, as long as it's not illegal?
No the donation was not seen as demeaning.
The way the money was raised was seen as demeaning. Big difference.
Anyway, according to "PC gone mad" rules so often used on here youre not allowed to be "offended" on other people's behalf and none of you is a nurse.
The article itself quotes a nurse who thinks the refusal is bonkers so it is more a case of the trust being offended on others' behalf if anything . Without conducting a poll of a significant number of nurses it's impossible to gauge whether it is collectively deemed demeaning or just offensive to the sensibilities of a few.
I imagine most expressing bemusement at the refusal of a hugely underfunded institution constantly and justifiably always communicating how much they require funding turning down a significant amount of money that could be put to use within the system.
Purely speculative of course but I doubt many overworked, underpaid and underresourced nurses would be going to work today pumping their fists with happiness at this decision but would rather the money have been put to better use. It could have been used to pay their extortionate car parking fees for 3 months as a crass example.
It is a sad indictment of the joyless, bland conformity that many well meaning but totally misguided and out of touch individuals try to dilute society with for fear of invoking any form of criticism or being perceived as causing the most miniscule of offence. Whilst I don't have time for the "pc gawn mad, can't say anything anymore " rhetoric, stuff like this serves to undermine moves to eradicate real forms of inequality and overt, truly harmful and damaging offensiveness that still exists and detracts from non trivial issues of sexism etc.
I think the trust have really lost perspective on this and focused on a weird angle rather than the well meaning, non degrading intentions I presume the funds raisers had. If they had been drug dealers raising funds through selling crack, pimps donating or even pole dancing/ dominatrix nurses then fair enough I could understand the principle. But it doesn't appear to have been anything like that.
After accepting millions from uber nonce Saville over the decades and subsequently turning a blind eye to his activities perhaps there are extreme sensitivities and overt paranoia within the medical profession and a desire to be perceived as nothing short as wholly politically correct which would perhaps be understandable, or it could just be an individual like Jan with a bee in her bonnet getting offended on behalf of others...or somewhere in between, but either way in this particular case it appears to be an irrational, non sensical ott reaction to a well meaning way of sourcing much needed funds for the NHS and those who work in it and use it.
it's not often that you hear charity donations being deemed insulting.
Not what was being said though is it.
Yes it is.
Bunch of humourless wankers.
Us Brits have a tradition of doing stupid and ridiculous things to raise money for charity and long may it continue. People are spending their own time and money to raise money for charity and they have it thrown back in their faces. Pathetic.
Who cares what they do to raise money, as long as it's not illegal?
No the donation was not seen as demeaning.
The way the money was raised was seen as demeaning. Big difference.
Anyway, according to "PC gone mad" rules so often used on here youre not allowed to be "offended" on other people's behalf and none of you is a nurse.
I'm pretty sure most people use hospitals, ie the intended recipients of the donation.
it's not often that you hear charity donations being deemed insulting.
Not what was being said though is it.
Yes it is.
Bunch of humourless wankers.
Us Brits have a tradition of doing stupid and ridiculous things to raise money for charity and long may it continue. People are spending their own time and money to raise money for charity and they have it thrown back in their faces. Pathetic.
Who cares what they do to raise money, as long as it's not illegal?
No the donation was not seen as demeaning.
The way the money was raised was seen as demeaning. Big difference.
Anyway, according to "PC gone mad" rules so often used on here youre not allowed to be "offended" on other people's behalf and none of you is a nurse.
I'm pretty sure most people use hospitals, ie the intended recipients of the donation.
Organisers of next years London Marathon have announced that all runners must do so suitably attired and cannot raise funds for charity so as to not offend anyone's sensibilities.
Organisers of next years London Marathon have announced that all runners must do so suitably attired and cannot raise funds for charity so as to not offend anyone's sensibilities.
Organisers of next years London Marathon have announced that all runners must do so suitably attired and cannot raise funds for charity so as to not offend anyone's sensibilities.
it's not often that you hear charity donations being deemed insulting.
Not what was being said though is it.
Yes it is.
Bunch of humourless wankers.
Us Brits have a tradition of doing stupid and ridiculous things to raise money for charity and long may it continue. People are spending their own time and money to raise money for charity and they have it thrown back in their faces. Pathetic.
Who cares what they do to raise money, as long as it's not illegal?
In the contemporary world where far too many people are too easily offended and indeed seem to go out of their way to be offended and to find offence in everyday situations, men dressing up as women, so long as said men are not 'coming out' as trans-gender, could be construed as being offensive to women and trans-gender people (I hope I have used the current correct noun) as well as in this case offensive to nurses. People in authority, in this case the hospital/NHS managers, have to adhere to many guidelines dealing with all manner of situations. In this case, they would be/have been damned for taking the cash and damned for refusing it, depending on the opinion of the damner. Cliché time, they are between a boulder and a landslide. Personally, I have sympathy for the managers who have criticised this ostensible piece of fun. Nurses have been the butt of far too many jokes, especially on 'saucy' seaside postcards and do deserve to be treated with respect as the hard working skilled people they are in 'real life'. Perhaps next year the chaps concerned could dress as polar or koala bears. Everyone loves polar and koala bears and such outfits should attract little or no controversy, but I wouldn't bank on it
My spirit animal is a Koala bear. Fuck you for your religious insensitivity.
what would be the reaction if (say) the men had 'blacked up' to collect cash for a good cause ? .. nowadays that could be nigh on a criminal offence .. where is the line to be drawn?
what would be the reaction if (say) the men had 'blacked up' to collect cash for a good cause ? .. nowadays that could be nigh on a criminal offence .. where is the line to be drawn?
imo that would be unacceptable, as would dressing as the KKK, but blokes dressed as nurses? Better ban stag do's whilst we are at it.
what would be the reaction if (say) the men had 'blacked up' to collect cash for a good cause ? .. nowadays that could be nigh on a criminal offence .. where is the line to be drawn?
Not really the same as dressing as nurses, to raise money for a hospital, is it.
what would be the reaction if (say) the men had 'blacked up' to collect cash for a good cause ? .. nowadays that could be nigh on a criminal offence .. where is the line to be drawn?
Do we need a line drawn, FFS we are talking about a few blokes dressing up and raising money for a good cause. Surely common sense is enough to deal with matters such as this without the need for "lines to be drawn"
it's not often that you hear charity donations being deemed insulting.
Not what was being said though is it.
Yes it is.
Bunch of humourless wankers.
Us Brits have a tradition of doing stupid and ridiculous things to raise money for charity and long may it continue. People are spending their own time and money to raise money for charity and they have it thrown back in their faces. Pathetic.
Who cares what they do to raise money, as long as it's not illegal?
No the donation was not seen as demeaning.
The way the money was raised was seen as demeaning. Big difference.
Anyway, according to "PC gone mad" rules so often used on here youre not allowed to be "offended" on other people's behalf and none of you is a nurse.
Isn't the issue that the NHS shouldn't need funding like this.
That's one of the issues. The other is that this silly trust will be spending more dealing with the fall-out from this than the donation was worth. A pathetic waste of resources which should come straight out of the CEO's annual bonus.
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People in authority, in this case the hospital/NHS managers, have to adhere to many guidelines dealing with all manner of situations. In this case, they would be/have been damned for taking the cash and damned for refusing it, depending on the opinion of the damner. Cliché time, they are between a boulder and a landslide.
Personally, I have sympathy for the managers who have criticised this ostensible piece of fun. Nurses have been the butt of far too many jokes, especially on 'saucy' seaside postcards and do deserve to be treated with respect as the hard working skilled people they are in 'real life'.
Perhaps next year the chaps concerned could dress as polar or koala bears. Everyone loves polar and koala bears and such outfits should attract little or no controversy, but I wouldn't bank on it
Personally I've never found fancy dress remotely amusing nor would it influence a donation from me one way or another. Dressed like a carry on nurse I would say demeans the individual.
I imagine most expressing bemusement at the refusal of a hugely underfunded institution constantly and justifiably always communicating how much they require funding turning down a significant amount of money that could be put to use within the system.
Purely speculative of course but I doubt many overworked, underpaid and underresourced nurses would be going to work today pumping their fists with happiness at this decision but would rather the money have been put to better use. It could have been used to pay their extortionate car parking fees for 3 months as a crass example.
It is a sad indictment of the joyless, bland conformity that many well meaning but totally misguided and out of touch individuals try to dilute society with for fear of invoking any form of criticism or being perceived as causing the most miniscule of offence. Whilst I don't have time for the "pc gawn mad, can't say anything anymore " rhetoric, stuff like this serves to undermine moves to eradicate real forms of inequality and overt, truly harmful and damaging offensiveness that still exists and detracts from non trivial issues of sexism etc.
I think the trust have really lost perspective on this and focused on a weird angle rather than the well meaning, non degrading intentions I presume the funds raisers had. If they had been drug dealers raising funds through selling crack, pimps donating or even pole dancing/ dominatrix nurses then fair enough I could understand the principle. But it doesn't appear to have been anything like that.
After accepting millions from uber nonce Saville over the decades and subsequently turning a blind eye to his activities perhaps there are extreme sensitivities and overt paranoia within the medical profession and a desire to be perceived as nothing short as wholly politically correct which would perhaps be understandable, or it could just be an individual like Jan with a bee in her bonnet getting offended on behalf of others...or somewhere in between, but either way in this particular case it appears to be an irrational, non sensical ott reaction to a well meaning way of sourcing much needed funds for the NHS and those who work in it and use it.
What about if mrs brown filmed a series there and they got paid a location fee
Load of old baloney and load of bollox by someone wishing to be seen as modern and in touch but turns out to be far more out of touch than in
Not that it matters to me, I have private medical insurance, so I'm alright.
Organisers of next years London Marathon have announced that all runners must do so suitably attired and cannot raise funds for charity so as to not offend anyone's sensibilities.
Funnily enough I never take offence if a bird wants to wear pair of jeans or trousers.
Good also to see a late "offended on others behalf"
My irony clearly too ironic so I'm out
They were blokes dressed in comedy outfits.