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The Ashes 2017-18

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    Looking more and more likely that Stokes will not be touring Aus. Who would be the ideal replacement? Looking at the Lions team I'm struggling to see who the replacement is. I'd go for Plunkett just to give us some extra pace on the bowling front.My 11 for the first test

    Cook
    Stoneman
    Vince
    Root
    Malan
    Bairstow
    Ali
    Woakes
    Overton
    Broad
    Anderson

    In all honesty only really happy about 8 of that line up. Semi tempted to put Foakes in.

    I think that looks a decent team. I really can't see Stokes touring. The team need discover a siege mentality.

  • Feel sorry for Durham who have really suffered and lost more than half of their first team in the last year or so:
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    Graham Onions - to Lancs
    Keaton Jennings - to Lancs
    Paul Coughlin - to Notts
    Phil Mustard - to Gloucs
    Mark Stoneman - to Surrey
    Scott Borthwick - to Surrey
    Ben Stokes - to England, IPL, Big Bash etc etc
    Mark Wood - to England and injury

    Botham has his work cut out.

    It doesn't get any better for Durham - Jack Burnham has been banned for a year after failing three drugs tests in 12 months!

    Not sure that Durham's Chairman can read him the riot act - after all Botham was a user himself of recreational drugs and banned in the 1980s for 3 months after admitting smoking maijuana.
  • I think Foakes chances of playing have reduced with Stokes not going. Our main allrounder was key to the balance of the side and allowed us to move Bairstow up the order and bring in a specialist keeper at 7.

    Woakes and Ali are good although I'm not sure either are good enough to bat 6.

    Although I think I read that Woakes has a better first class batting average than Westly or Malan (can't remember which).
  • I think Foakes chances of playing have reduced with Stokes not going. Our main allrounder was key to the balance of the side and allowed us to move Bairstow up the order and bring in a specialist keeper at 7.

    Woakes and Ali are good although I'm not sure either are good enough to bat 6.

    Although I think I read that Woakes has a better first class batting average than Westly or Malan (can't remember which).

    Neither - but he is within a run of both. Though it has to be easier getting runs at 7 or 8 than 1-4.
  • Australia to win 5-0
    10/1 with paddy power
  • I think Foakes chances of playing have reduced with Stokes not going. Our main allrounder was key to the balance of the side and allowed us to move Bairstow up the order and bring in a specialist keeper at 7.

    Woakes and Ali are good although I'm not sure either are good enough to bat 6.

    Although I think I read that Woakes has a better first class batting average than Westly or Malan (can't remember which).

    Neither - but he is within a run of both. Though it has to be easier getting runs at 7 or 8 than 1-4.
    Perhaps I missremembered. Or maybe it was someone else in contention. I think he's a very good 8 and good 7 but not a 6 at international level. Same with Moeen.
  • Australia to win 5-0
    10/1 with paddy power

    Hmmm, I do love an optimist.
  • If we play 5 bowlers, I think Ali at 7 and Woakes at 8 is fine. Without Stokes i think Overton has a real chance of playing. Can bat a little which we are going to need at 9.
  • If we play 5 bowlers, I think Ali at 7 and Woakes at 8 is fine. Without Stokes i think Overton has a real chance of playing. Can bat a little which we are going to need at 9.

    Agreed. This is what has to happen. However it means playing Bairstow at 6 and as keeper which means we are effectively losing our number 5 as well. Shame for Foakes as I really think he would have played if Stokes played.
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  • Steven Finn been added to the touring team. Stokes been told he isn't travelling with the rest of the team.
  • There is some talk that we are going to send two replacements for Stokes - a batsman and a bowler.

    Nice of them to let us play 12.
  • i see Pattinson has been ruled out of the series - back stress fracture genuinely feel sorry for the guy because its something that has plagued him for some years
  • Chizz said:
    Just waiting for the video footage to come out!
  • Only eight Test Central Contracts (including Stokes but indicative of the lack of depth) awarded but 14 for White Ball matches.

    Central:
    Moeen Ali
    James Anderson
    Jonny Bairstow
    Stuart Broad
    Alastair Cook
    Joe Root
    Ben Stokes
    Chris Woakes

    White Ball:
    Moeen Ali
    Jake Ball
    Jonny Bairstow
    Jos Buttler
    Alex Hales
    Eoin Morgan
    Liam Plunkett
    Joe Root
    Adil Rashid
    Jason Roy
    Ben Stokes
    David Willey
    Chris Woakes
    Mark Wood

    Incremental:
    Toby Roland-Jones
  • i see Pattinson has been ruled out of the series - back stress fracture genuinely feel sorry for the guy because its something that has plagued him for some years

    It’s such a common fast bowler injury. Some people’s natural bowling action puts insane pressure on the body
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    i see Pattinson has been ruled out of the series - back stress fracture genuinely feel sorry for the guy because its something that has plagued him for some years

    It’s such a common fast bowler injury. Some people’s natural bowling action puts insane pressure on the body
    However, Oz bowlers (think Cummins and Starc) seem to be affected more than others - presumably because of the harder wickets.
  • Glenn Mcgrath managed to stay injury free, maybe it was because of a smoother style?
  • Glenn Mcgrath managed to stay injury free, maybe it was because of a smoother style?

    Yup and a bit slower. McGrath always bowled impeccable line and length, Brett lee suffered with back injuries. It’s because of their action and bowling fast
  • Thommo knackered himself as well, but his slingshot style probably contributed to that!
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  • Thommo suffered his worst injury playing tennis.
  • Riviera said:

    Thommo suffered his worst injury playing tennis.

    I thought it was too much biceps training down the bar.
  • McBobbin said:

    Thommo knackered himself as well, but his slingshot style probably contributed to that!

    The great Thommo lives about 10 minutes from me and I often see him out and about.

    It really is quite surreal to be standing behind the fastest bowler in history in the hardware store while he buys weed killer!

    Funny thing about Thommo is his size, he is just an average looking bloke and you'd never know he'd been an incredible athlete.
  • McBobbin said:

    Thommo knackered himself as well, but his slingshot style probably contributed to that!

    The great Thommo lives about 10 minutes from me and I often see him out and about.

    It really is quite surreal to be standing behind the fastest bowler in history in the hardware store while he buys weed killer!

    Funny thing about Thommo is his size, he is just an average looking bloke and you'd never know he'd been an incredible athlete.
    I thought Shoaib Akhtar delivered the fastest ever.?
  • Ironic if we get Aussie owners just before the Ashes...
  • Nice little program tonight on BT Sport3 10pm, a look at the 1986/7 Ashes series. We started so badly that tour that one of our own journos, Martin Johnson, said "There is only 3 things wrong with this England team; They can't bat, can't bowl and can't field."
    We won the Test series, The Perth Challenge and The World Series Trophy. One of the highlights was Allan Lamb hitting 18 off Bruce Reid in the last over to win an ODI. In those days that was quite a feat. Today it is common practice.
    Hopefully there will more of these teasers from BT Sport before the real stuff starts.
  • Riviera said:

    Nice little program tonight on BT Sport3 10pm, a look at the 1986/7 Ashes series. We started so badly that tour that one of our own journos, Martin Johnson, said "There is only 3 things wrong with this England team; They can't bat, can't bowl and can't field."
    We won the Test series, The Perth Challenge and The World Series Trophy. One of the highlights was Allan Lamb hitting 18 off Bruce Reid in the last over to win an ODI. In those days that was quite a feat. Today it is common practice.
    Hopefully there will more of these teasers from BT Sport before the real stuff starts.

    Not taking anything away from the incredible modern power and technique, but bats were far weaker 20 years ago, and boundaries longer. Lamb's achievement was incredible, I remember it well!
  • I wonder what Allan Lamb is doing nowadays.
  • Riviera said:

    Nice little program tonight on BT Sport3 10pm, a look at the 1986/7 Ashes series. We started so badly that tour that one of our own journos, Martin Johnson, said "There is only 3 things wrong with this England team; They can't bat, can't bowl and can't field."
    We won the Test series, The Perth Challenge and The World Series Trophy. One of the highlights was Allan Lamb hitting 18 off Bruce Reid in the last over to win an ODI. In those days that was quite a feat. Today it is common practice.
    Hopefully there will more of these teasers from BT Sport before the real stuff starts.

    Not taking anything away from the incredible modern power and technique, but bats were far weaker 20 years ago, and boundaries longer. Lamb's achievement was incredible, I remember it well!
    Indeed! It was a phenomenal effort. You cannot compare eras.
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