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The Ashes 2017-18

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  • The rules changed so that if it's an umpires call, you don't lose the review

    England did a stupid review for a caught behind off Broad, when Broad wasn't interested

    Thanks Killer. I understood the change in rules - just forgot that Khawaja's was umpires call.
  • The rules changed so that if it's an umpires call, you don't lose the review

    England did a stupid review for a caught behind off Broad, when Broad wasn't interested

    Thanks Killer. I understood the change in rules - just forgot that Khawaja's was umpires call.
    Then again, was Smiths umpires call too? Maybe Chizz is right.
  • If ever you need an example of why Sky's coverage is far better than BT, was Swanns comments on the Smith lbw - what an idiot.

    what did he say?
  • The rules changed so that if it's an umpires call, you don't lose the review

    England did a stupid review for a caught behind off Broad, when Broad wasn't interested

    Thanks Killer. I understood the change in rules - just forgot that Khawaja's was umpires call.
    Then again, was Smiths umpires call too? Maybe Chizz is right.
    Both Australian reviews were umpires call
  • The rules changed so that if it's an umpires call, you don't lose the review

    England did a stupid review for a caught behind off Broad, when Broad wasn't interested

    Thanks Killer. I understood the change in rules - just forgot that Khawaja's was umpires call.
    Then again, was Smiths umpires call too? Maybe Chizz is right.
    I believe it was - so Chizz is, indeed, correct.
  • Chizz said:

    Am I right in saying that Australia have no reviews left in the innings but we still have both?

    No. Australia have two left, England have one.
    How is that? Australia lost both theirs reviewing Khawaja and Smith's wickets didn't they?
    They didnt lose Khawajas because it was Umpires call, but obviously agree with Smith.
    Forgot about the new rules. In that case they will have 2 left as Smith’s second and final lbw was umpire’s call on both pitch and height.
  • So, has Overton played himself into the side for the foreseeable future? I think his bowling should be nowhere near this Test side, but the Australians haven't got him out yet. Maybe see how he goes in the second innings, bowling and batting...
  • Probably sounds a bit churlish but England's 4 wickets are little more than death throes in the context of the match as a whole.

    We are incapable of chasing 300 plus in the fourth innings at Adelaide.
  • The evening session tomorrow will be crucial. Can England survive the Aussie quicks under the lights?
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  • Though I'm really not sure that Smith's first LBW should be overturned because a millimetre over half the ball pitched outside anymore than the same rule applies to "bowled". Either we trust the technology or we don't and as long as it is consistently right or wrong I don't see the issue.
  • AshBurton said:

    Chizz said:

    Am I right in saying that Australia have no reviews left in the innings but we still have both?

    No. Australia have two left, England have one.
    How is that? Australia lost both theirs reviewing Khawaja and Smith's wickets didn't they?
    They didnt lose Khawajas because it was Umpires call, but obviously agree with Smith.
    Forgot about the new rules. In that case they will have 2 left as Smith’s second and final lbw was umpire’s call on both pitch and height.
    Yes, i think we are all in agreement now, and Chizz is correct.
  • Though I'm really not sure that Smith's first LBW should be overturned because a millimetre over half the ball pitched outside anymore than the same rule applies to "bowled". Either we trust the technology or we don't and as long as it is consistently right or wrong I don't see the issue.

    It was more like 15mm - certainly wouldn't want it upheld if you're the batsman
  • The evening session tomorrow will be crucial. Can England survive the Aussie quicks under the lights?

    You mean you think we will reach the evening session ?!
  • The evening session tomorrow will be crucial. Can England survive the Aussie quicks under the lights?

    I was thinking the same. In which case the quicker we can get them out the longer we have to bat without the lights on and the more set the batsmen should be. Equally, if we do that, we hopefully won't have much of a second new ball to face under lights.

    Spot the assumption - that we will bat for 80 overs plus!
  • The evening session tomorrow will be crucial. Can England survive the Aussie quicks under the lights?

    You mean you think we will reach the evening session ?!
    I assume the Aussies will bat through until late afternoon, but will declare around dinner time (assuming they're not bowled out)
  • edited December 2017

    AshBurton said:

    Chizz said:

    Am I right in saying that Australia have no reviews left in the innings but we still have both?

    No. Australia have two left, England have one.
    How is that? Australia lost both theirs reviewing Khawaja and Smith's wickets didn't they?
    They didnt lose Khawajas because it was Umpires call, but obviously agree with Smith.
    Forgot about the new rules. In that case they will have 2 left as Smith’s second and final lbw was umpire’s call on both pitch and height.
    Yes, i think we are all in agreement now, and Chizz is correct.
    Chizz does indeed have @Masicat -like qualities.
  • PaddyP17 said:

    PaddyP17 said:

    I predict a 200+ run defeat

    Never let it be said that you are a "half full" type of person Paddy.
    Well, I'll either be right, or happy with our over-achievement!
    What, happy with us being beaten by 199 ?
    I should point out at this juncture that I'm being tongue-in-cheek...
  • Leuth said:

    Though I'm really not sure that Smith's first LBW should be overturned because a millimetre over half the ball pitched outside anymore than the same rule applies to "bowled". Either we trust the technology or we don't and as long as it is consistently right or wrong I don't see the issue.

    It was more like 15mm - certainly wouldn't want it upheld if you're the batsman
    Well it might be 15mm but it still hasn't pitched outside leg. And the purpose of the Law was to prevent leg side bowling - which it isn't.
  • edited December 2017

    Though I'm really not sure that Smith's first LBW should be overturned because a millimetre over half the ball pitched outside anymore than the same rule applies to "bowled". Either we trust the technology or we don't and as long as it is consistently right or wrong I don't see the issue.

    I dont get your point AA, the same aplies to bowled (unless theyve changed the rules and i've missed it). To me, technology works wonderfuly well, and is a million percent better and more accurate than human eye - as is proved in virtually every Test Match. Smith wasnt out because more than half the ball pitched outside leg stump.
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  • edited December 2017

    The evening session tomorrow will be crucial. Can England survive the Aussie quicks under the lights?

    You mean you think we will reach the evening session ?!
    I assume the Aussies will bat through until late afternoon, but will declare around dinner time (assuming they're not bowled out)
    If, as is quite possible with Hanscomb and Lyon batting, that they are 6 down for say,70, then its quite possible we could be batting again before lunch- or not long after lunch. If we are 4 down by dinner then the evening session is almost irrelevent - so, to me, the middle session is likely to become the most crucial for England batting wise.
  • Strange decision by Smith granted, when Australia win tomorrow or Wednesday it will be completely forgotten about though
  • Strange decision by Smith granted, when Australia win tomorrow or Wednesday it will be completely forgotten about though

    As Starc said in the post match interview, England will still have to bat twice under the lights to win/save the game, so it's not as if England have avoided this proble
  • Though I'm really not sure that Smith's first LBW should be overturned because a millimetre over half the ball pitched outside anymore than the same rule applies to "bowled". Either we trust the technology or we don't and as long as it is consistently right or wrong I don't see the issue.

    I dont get your point AA, the same aplies to bowled (unless theyve changed the rules and i've missed it). To me, technology works wonderfuly well, and is a million percent better and more accurate than human eye - as is proved in virtually every Test Match. Smith wasnt out because more than half the ball pitched outside leg stump.
    DRS was principally brought in to eradicate the howlers - anyone of a certain age may remember some shocking decisions given by some Pakistani umpires in the 1990's and early 2000's, but these seemed to have gone since neutral umpires were introduced.

    It seems now that DRS is being used as a tactical weapon as the vast majority of original umpires decisions are correct.
  • Leuth said:

    Hopefully that marks the end of Swann's commentating career

    Wot a plonka. Made a total arse of himself.
  • I'm sure when we fail to overhaul the fist innings deficit, Smith will be vindicated.
  • So, Overton? Got moxey and given us a selection pickle? Or should we be getting Wood/Crane/some other X-factor bowler in stat?
  • Though I'm really not sure that Smith's first LBW should be overturned because a millimetre over half the ball pitched outside anymore than the same rule applies to "bowled". Either we trust the technology or we don't and as long as it is consistently right or wrong I don't see the issue.

    I dont get your point AA, the same aplies to bowled (unless theyve changed the rules and i've missed it). To me, technology works wonderfuly well, and is a million percent better and more accurate than human eye - as is proved in virtually every Test Match. Smith wasnt out because more than half the ball pitched outside leg stump.
    That is my point - if technology says that the ball would have hit the stumps, however small a part of that ball is, then it should be given out. In the same way that, however small a part of the ball pitches in line with the stumps, a batsman should also be given out LBW.

    I just don't get why we should have tolerance levels for technology - either we trust it or we don't. If we do that and stick to two reviews per innings, then we remove "umpires call" from the equation and teams would have to be be careful to review only what they consider to be "howlers" e.g. a batsman is given out when he knows he's hit it. Which is exactly what technology was brought in to do. We don't, after all, have "umpires call" in tennis do we?
  • Hales now available for selection, may be worth a gamble in the middle order
  • Though I'm really not sure that Smith's first LBW should be overturned because a millimetre over half the ball pitched outside anymore than the same rule applies to "bowled". Either we trust the technology or we don't and as long as it is consistently right or wrong I don't see the issue.

    I dont get your point AA, the same aplies to bowled (unless theyve changed the rules and i've missed it). To me, technology works wonderfuly well, and is a million percent better and more accurate than human eye - as is proved in virtually every Test Match. Smith wasnt out because more than half the ball pitched outside leg stump.
    DRS was principally brought in to eradicate the howlers - anyone of a certain age may remember some shocking decisions given by some Pakistani umpires in the 1990's and early 2000's, but these seemed to have gone since neutral umpires were introduced.

    It seems now that DRS is being used as a tactical weapon as the vast majority of original umpires decisions are correct.
    I am probably of that 'certain age' Golfie and i disagree.
    To me, ignore the perceived reasons as to why DRS was implemented, but the key thing is to ensure that the right decisions are being made, full stop - and anybody who disagrees with the fact that DRS provides this is clearly either a total stick in the mud or blind.
    DRS also adds drama to a game - especially if you are at the game, which to me, enhances the viewing spectacle and entertainment.
    If you need to ask someone for justification for DRS, then maybe a good example is Damien Martyn in 2005 Ashes, who was given out lbw 3/4? times off big inside nicks. There was also the example of Tendulkar being out lbw off a big-inside nick (did i laugh) when India petulantly rejected the usage of.
    I know i've said it many times, but DRS is a brilliant add-on to cricket and i personally cannot see reason for anyone to diss it, full stop, none whatsoever. It might not have been 100 per cent to begin with , but i think theyve got it pretty much nailed now.
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