His missus is best friend's with my mate's missus. 100% true story - they were at school together. Mate went to their wedding in the States, met loads of celebs there. Think my mate thought he was a bit of a wanker anyway, so guess he's not surprised. Wonder how his marriage will be affected.
I bet there's a few '80s and '90s movie / music mogul types, on both sides of the pond, not sleeping too well after taking advantage of wannabe stars to further their careers.
Weren't Marc Bolan taken advantage of by a producer, earlier on in his career?
I bet there's a few '80s and '90s movie / music mogul types, on both sides of the pond, not sleeping too well after taking advantage of wannabe stars to further their careers.
Weren't Marc Bolan taken advantage of by a producer, earlier on in his career?
it's not just money that makes the world go round .. it's money and SEX of all denominations .. go forth and multiply sayeth the Lord
His missus is best friend's with my mate's missus. 100% true story - they were at school together. Mate went to their wedding in the States, met loads of celebs there. Think my mate thought he was a bit of a wanker anyway, so guess he's not surprised. Wonder how his marriage will be affected.
Pass on a message to your missus that cabbles, a 35 year old moderator on a football forum who has 84 of the 92 league grounds under his belt, slightly receeding barnet and torn meniscus in right knee would be up for a date if she's interested. Don't mention anything about the misappropriations of my username though and general lack of respect I have on here
I bet there's a few '80s and '90s movie / music mogul types, on both sides of the pond, not sleeping too well after taking advantage of wannabe stars to further their careers.
Weren't Marc Bolan taken advantage of by a producer, earlier on in his career?
it's not just money that makes the world go round .. it's money and SEX of all denominations .. go forth and multiply sayeth the Lord
I bet there's a few '80s and '90s movie / music mogul types, on both sides of the pond, not sleeping too well after taking advantage of wannabe stars to further their careers.
Weren't Marc Bolan taken advantage of by a producer, earlier on in his career?
it's not just money that makes the world go round .. it's money and SEX of all denominations .. go forth and multiply sayeth the Lord
be interesting to know (we never will) how many actresses and wannabes who have now totally turned against him, did at at one time, agree to his crude advances in order to get a role, however minor, or to further their career, or to just make some money .. how many careers were made 'on their backs' and now that the ladies are 'on their feet', they are clawing, stamping and gunning for Harvey, the one time magic movie mogul and star maker
Why would that be interesting especially?
Circumstances change and a young woman, just starting out in her chosen career, is not in the same position to be listened to or be taken seriously as they may be as an older, established actress speaking out now. From the evidence presented so far he massively abused his position in the relationship he had with these women and it should not be a surprise to anyone that they didn't report it at the time but focussed on putting it behind them and getting on with their career.
Your post reeks of victim blaming.
it's not victim blaming in my scenario though is it ? .. I am suggesting the possibility/probability that some women might have succumbed to Weinstein's advances willingly to get ahead and make a career in the sex driven town/industry that is Hollywood .. if they agreed, then they are NOT 'victims' they have made a career choice, albeit one that is unsavoury in your opinion .. the fact that he abused his 'power' in many cases is without question .. on the other hand the ladies concerned could either have gone to the authorities at the time, got a job as (e.g.) a waitress, or in the words of actor's wife Nancy Regan 'just said NO'
I thought it was Zammo that said that?
was he one of the Marx bros ? .. whatever, he nicked Nancy's slogan
His missus is best friend's with my mate's missus. 100% true story - they were at school together. Mate went to their wedding in the States, met loads of celebs there. Think my mate thought he was a bit of a wanker anyway, so guess he's not surprised. Wonder how his marriage will be affected.
Weinstein is clearly a wrongun in every sense, and I hope they gather enough evidence to put him away for a long long time, but, equally, I would hold anyone in disdain who sat on their hands and did nothing, so to protect their own careers and build their multi million pound lifestyles, whilst other women were allegedly being put through this treatment for years. The biggest & worst kept secret in Hollywood apparently, heard an oscars award clip from a few years ago today, when the host said "all you ladies who won, now no longer have to pretend to find Harvey Weinstein attractive"
be interesting to know (we never will) how many actresses and wannabes who have now totally turned against him, did at at one time, agree to his crude advances in order to get a role, however minor, or to further their career, or to just make some money .. how many careers were made 'on their backs' and now that the ladies are 'on their feet', they are clawing, stamping and gunning for Harvey, the one time magic movie mogul and star maker
Why would that be interesting especially?
Circumstances change and a young woman, just starting out in her chosen career, is not in the same position to be listened to or be taken seriously as they may be as an older, established actress speaking out now. From the evidence presented so far he massively abused his position in the relationship he had with these women and it should not be a surprise to anyone that they didn't report it at the time but focussed on putting it behind them and getting on with their career.
Your post reeks of victim blaming.
it's not victim blaming in my scenario though is it ? .. I am suggesting the possibility/probability that some women might have succumbed to Weinstein's advances willingly to get ahead and make a career in the sex driven town/industry that is Hollywood .. if they agreed, then they are NOT 'victims' they have made a career choice, albeit one that is unsavoury in your opinion .. the fact that he abused his 'power' in many cases is without question .. on the other hand the ladies concerned could either have gone to the authorities at the time, got a job as (e.g.) a waitress, or in the words of actor's wife Nancy Regan 'just said NO'
I thought it was Zammo that said that?
was he one of the Marx bros ? .. whatever, he nicked Nancy's slogan
Weinstein is clearly a wrongun in every sense, and I hope they gather enough evidence to put him away for a long long time, but, equally, I would hold anyone in disdain who sat on their hands and did nothing, so to protect their own careers and build their multi million pound lifestyles, whilst other women were allegedly being put through this treatment for years. The biggest & worst kept secret in Hollywood apparently, heard an oscars award clip from a few years ago today, when the host said "all you ladies who won, now no longer have to pretend to find Harvey Weinstein attractive"
Those women who did nothing are as culpable IMO
Not as culpable surely not. I'd never blame the women even if people standing up earlier I could have prevented more abuse. The women had too much to lose and probably wanted to forget it. I reckon plenty will be feeling bad about not saying anything for the reasons you are saying.
Also, you have to consider if saying anything at the time would have had any effect, or if it would have been brushed under the carpet and their careers ruined.
Weinstein is clearly a wrongun in every sense, and I hope they gather enough evidence to put him away for a long long time, but, equally, I would hold anyone in disdain who sat on their hands and did nothing, so to protect their own careers and build their multi million pound lifestyles, whilst other women were allegedly being put through this treatment for years. The biggest & worst kept secret in Hollywood apparently, heard an oscars award clip from a few years ago today, when the host said "all you ladies who won, now no longer have to pretend to find Harvey Weinstein attractive"
Those women who did nothing are as culpable IMO
Not as culpable surely not. I'd never blame the women even if people standing up earlier I could have prevented more abuse. The women had too much to lose and probably wanted to forget it. I reckon plenty will be feeling bad about not saying anything for the reasons you are saying.
Also, you have to consider if saying anything at the time would have had any effect, or if it would have been brushed under the carpet and their careers ruined.
Feeling bad is nothing compared to the physiological damage he may have caused to other young women, which may have been prevented by someone going to the authorities earlier. If I knew my guvnor was doing something illegal, would I be ok to say, sod it, I'm being paid, all the other people he's affecting can go whistle, I have too much to lose after all.
Weinstein is clearly a wrongun in every sense, and I hope they gather enough evidence to put him away for a long long time, but, equally, I would hold anyone in disdain who sat on their hands and did nothing, so to protect their own careers and build their multi million pound lifestyles, whilst other women were allegedly being put through this treatment for years. The biggest & worst kept secret in Hollywood apparently, heard an oscars award clip from a few years ago today, when the host said "all you ladies who won, now no longer have to pretend to find Harvey Weinstein attractive"
Those women who did nothing are as culpable IMO
Not as culpable surely not. I'd never blame the women even if people standing up earlier I could have prevented more abuse. The women had too much to lose and probably wanted to forget it. I reckon plenty will be feeling bad about not saying anything for the reasons you are saying.
Also, you have to consider if saying anything at the time would have had any effect, or if it would have been brushed under the carpet and their careers ruined.
Feeling bad is nothing compared to the physiological damage he may have caused to other young women, which may have been prevented by someone going to the authorities earlier. If I knew my guvnor was doing something illegal, would I be ok to say, sod it, I'm being paid, all the other people he's affecting can go whistle, I have too much to lose after all.
I completely understand your point. But we are talking about an industry where there is a massive power and gender imbalance. It's hard enough for women to come forward to admit to being sexually assaulted at the best of times... They are not believed, told it's their fault... I imagine it's even worse in Hollywood. The guy is a massive wrongun who needs to pay for it (exactly what you said) but I still don't hold the women responsible.
Interestingly, would you be a whistleblower? Some would but many won't. I'd like to think I would be, but never been in that situation.
The question "why wait 20 years" to discuss it rhetoric is understandable or but often not as simple as it would seem.
Not one for massively "sharing" personal stuff but feel it is sometimes important if it can help give a different insight and this place is a superb forum for that as has been demonstrated by the bravery of many posters on the mental health threads etc which have often provided a lot of help to others whether intended to or not.
A couple of incidents happened to me when I was a kid that, whilst by no means the worst events in the world on the spectrum of these things, were by today's standards very fucking inappropriate and if my kids ever mentioned either to me I would probably end up in a prison cell for the hiding the perpetrators would receive.
One involved a teacher whilst at primary school and the other a 50 year old bloke.
The first one I never really thought about it much at the time although I can still recall the look my mate and I gave each other when the incident happened as even though we were only 10/11 we knew it probably wasn't appropriate even though it was not necessarily a clearly intended episode of noncing by the perpetrator (he had turned round and tickled my thigh whilst I was in the back seat of his car wearing shorts.).
The second one was a lot more inappropriate and I was a couple of years older and I remember kicking off with the dirty old c**t as I knew it definitely wasn't right (c***grabbed my bollocks).
Both incidents involved inappropriate touching/ groping which is very low on the spectrum in comparison to what some poor souls are subject to but at the same time not something you would want to happen to a child and very wrong in my book. By today's standards would definitely be viewed as inappropriate particularly the latter incident.
Never really thought about either incident again until all the Saville shit all came out and there was the claims of "why wait so long etc" and why did no one come forward. To be honest it never really affected me at the time and I suppose an element of youthful naivety clouded my judgement back then.
At the time never raised the first incident cos didn't really think about it much and regarding the second one I was concerned that my dad would kill the bloke had I mentioned it and it was abroad in Saudi Arabia where the consequences for crimes Westerners or not are somewhat medieval so left it and made sure I steered clear of the perpetrator for the remainder of the time living there.
Since then I have really been uncomfortable particularly about the teacher....what if what happened with me was just an innocent but inappropriate one off and I mentioned it/ reported it, an incident of nearly 30 years ago and you could potentially destroy someone's life for something that could be an isolated entirely innocent occurrence being viewed out of context through the lens of current standards.
What makes me feel worse though is what IF it wasn't isolated and innocent and he has done similar stuff or far far worse to other children and I could of prevented it by reporting it at the time or subsequently.
It's a horrible feeling and maybe paranoia given the revelations of so many nonces living among us that maybe can make you a bit looking into it too much...but I have resolved that if I ever hear so much of a whisper or rumour of allegation against him I would be at a police station recalling this (as relatively minor as it may appear) the next minute.
People would then probably be posting on the internet about why it had taken 30 years for people to come forward.
Life ain't always black and white but normally a murky shade of grey.
Bloke is a ****t and deserves all that is coming his way, still a lot though to come out of this story though and the 2 way stories behind the casting couch.
I'm amazed how different it is for some people. How much and how many different people did Michael Jackson pay off. If he hadn't of died a few days before coming to England he would of received a heroes welcome by some.
I'm amazed how different it is for some people. How much and how many different people did Michael Jackson pay off. If he hadn't of died a few days before coming to England he would of received a heroes welcome by some.
One of life's biggest mysteries imo, is why people still play his music
I'm amazed how different it is for some people. How much and how many different people did Michael Jackson pay off. If he hadn't of died a few days before coming to England he would of received a heroes welcome by some.
One of life's biggest mysteries imo, is why people still play his music
I suppose because they like it. He was a bit more popular than Gary Glitter.
Weinstein is clearly a wrongun in every sense, and I hope they gather enough evidence to put him away for a long long time, but, equally, I would hold anyone in disdain who sat on their hands and did nothing, so to protect their own careers and build their multi million pound lifestyles, whilst other women were allegedly being put through this treatment for years. The biggest & worst kept secret in Hollywood apparently, heard an oscars award clip from a few years ago today, when the host said "all you ladies who won, now no longer have to pretend to find Harvey Weinstein attractive"
Those women who did nothing are as culpable IMO
You're about four pages late to this discussion. You don't blame the victims for being abused.
His missus is best friend's with my mate's missus. 100% true story - they were at school together. Mate went to their wedding in the States, met loads of celebs there. Think my mate thought he was a bit of a wanker anyway, so guess he's not surprised. Wonder how his marriage will be affected.
Pass on a message to your missus that cabbles, a 35 year old moderator on a football forum who has 84 of the 92 league grounds under his belt, slightly receeding barnet and torn meniscus in right knee would be up for a date if she's interested. Don't mention anything about the misappropriations of my username though and general lack of respect I have on here
Cheers Leroy
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Weren't Marc Bolan taken advantage of by a producer, earlier on in his career?
Tweet her and drop the CL Mod bomb, she'll be putty in your hands my son!
Cheers Leroy
The biggest & worst kept secret in Hollywood apparently, heard an oscars award clip from a few years ago today, when the host said "all you ladies who won, now no longer have to pretend to find Harvey Weinstein attractive"
Those women who did nothing are as culpable IMO
Also, you have to consider if saying anything at the time would have had any effect, or if it would have been brushed under the carpet and their careers ruined.
If I knew my guvnor was doing something illegal, would I be ok to say, sod it, I'm being paid, all the other people he's affecting can go whistle, I have too much to lose after all.
Interestingly, would you be a whistleblower? Some would but many won't. I'd like to think I would be, but never been in that situation.
Not one for massively "sharing" personal stuff but feel it is sometimes important if it can help give a different insight and this place is a superb forum for that as has been demonstrated by the bravery of many posters on the mental health threads etc which have often provided a lot of help to others whether intended to or not.
A couple of incidents happened to me when I was a kid that, whilst by no means the worst events in the world on the spectrum of these things, were by today's standards very fucking inappropriate and if my kids ever mentioned either to me I would probably end up in a prison cell for the hiding the perpetrators would receive.
One involved a teacher whilst at primary school and the other a 50 year old bloke.
The first one I never really thought about it much at the time although I can still recall the look my mate and I gave each other when the incident happened as even though we were only 10/11 we knew it probably wasn't appropriate even though it was not necessarily a clearly intended episode of noncing by the perpetrator (he had turned round and tickled my thigh whilst I was in the back seat of his car wearing shorts.).
The second one was a lot more inappropriate and I was a couple of years older and I remember kicking off with the dirty old c**t as I knew it definitely wasn't right (c***grabbed my bollocks).
Both incidents involved inappropriate touching/ groping which is very low on the spectrum in comparison to what some poor souls are subject to but at the same time not something you would want to happen to a child and very wrong in my book. By today's standards would definitely be viewed as inappropriate particularly the latter incident.
Never really thought about either incident again until all the Saville shit all came out and there was the claims of "why wait so long etc" and why did no one come forward. To be honest it never really affected me at the time and I suppose an element of youthful naivety clouded my judgement back then.
At the time never raised the first incident cos didn't really think about it much and regarding the second one I was concerned that my dad would kill the bloke had I mentioned it and it was abroad in Saudi Arabia where the consequences for crimes Westerners or not are somewhat medieval so left it and made sure I steered clear of the perpetrator for the remainder of the time living there.
Since then I have really been uncomfortable particularly about the teacher....what if what happened with me was just an innocent but inappropriate one off and I mentioned it/ reported it, an incident of nearly 30 years ago and you could potentially destroy someone's life for something that could be an isolated entirely innocent occurrence being viewed out of context through the lens of current standards.
What makes me feel worse though is what IF it wasn't isolated and innocent and he has done similar stuff or far far worse to other children and I could of prevented it by reporting it at the time or subsequently.
It's a horrible feeling and maybe paranoia given the revelations of so many nonces living among us that maybe can make you a bit looking into it too much...but I have resolved that if I ever hear so much of a whisper or rumour of allegation against him I would be at a police station recalling this (as relatively minor as it may appear) the next minute.
People would then probably be posting on the internet about why it had taken 30 years for people to come forward.
Life ain't always black and white but normally a murky shade of grey.
How much and how many different people did Michael Jackson pay off.
If he hadn't of died a few days before coming to England he would of received a heroes welcome by some.
Guaranteed decent seat on the dj coach to any away game of her choice, grab bag of walkers crisps at Newport Pagnell services
If you do this for me I'll abuse my power and give you a promote