Sussex have a pair of fast bowlers who could be opening up for England before too long (1 day only) .. Mills and Archer
but so far Ben Stokes is MULLERING em ((:>)
Not for much longer
Haven’t seen much of Archer and he seems like a limited overs player like most up and coming youngsters because he’s an all rounder. Can’t imagine he will end up playing for England though
Sussex have a pair of fast bowlers who could be opening up for England before too long (1 day only) .. Mills and Archer
but so far Ben Stokes is MULLERING em ((:>)
Not for much longer
Haven’t seen much of Archer and he seems like a limited overs player like most up and coming youngsters because he’s an all rounder. Can’t imagine he will end up playing for England though
He'll play for England and not just in ODIs and T20s but Tests too- just a question of how soon given the qualification issues. The boy can bowl at over 90mph, has taken 110 wickets @ 24 in first class cricket and averages 36 with the bat too. He is also a supremely athletic fielder.
Sussex have a pair of fast bowlers who could be opening up for England before too long (1 day only) .. Mills and Archer
but so far Ben Stokes is MULLERING em ((:>)
Not for much longer
Haven’t seen much of Archer and he seems like a limited overs player like most up and coming youngsters because he’s an all rounder. Can’t imagine he will end up playing for England though
He'll play for England and not just in ODIs and T20s but Tests too- just a question of how soon given the qualification issues. The boy can bowl at over 90mph, has taken 110 wickets @ 24 in first class cricket and averages 36 with the bat too. He is also a supremely athletic fielder.
Is he willing to wait 4 years though? And if he can't play International cricket I believe he will end up on the T20 circuit around the world earning money which is my thoughts as to why he will turn into a limited overs specialist.
Sussex have a pair of fast bowlers who could be opening up for England before too long (1 day only) .. Mills and Archer
but so far Ben Stokes is MULLERING em ((:>)
Not for much longer
Haven’t seen much of Archer and he seems like a limited overs player like most up and coming youngsters because he’s an all rounder. Can’t imagine he will end up playing for England though
He'll play for England and not just in ODIs and T20s but Tests too- just a question of how soon given the qualification issues. The boy can bowl at over 90mph, has taken 110 wickets @ 24 in first class cricket and averages 36 with the bat too. He is also a supremely athletic fielder.
Is he willing to wait 4 years though? And if he can't play International cricket I believe he will end up on the T20 circuit around the world earning money which is my thoughts as to why he will turn into a limited overs specialist.
He might not have to wait that long. There is talk that the ECB might relax the qualification rules for him. He does have an English father after all which makes him more qualified to play for England than someone like Tom Curran who does not have English parents and was born, educated and played representative state cricket in South Africa. The difference is that Archer played for West Indies U19s but, for football, for example, that isn't considered a barrier to play for another country.
re Archer/Mills .. England will soon need a new battery of quick bowlers for all 3 forms of the international game .. it's come to the point where India, so long the nation of heavy scoring, patient batsmen, wily spinners and the occasional useful medium pacer, can outdo us when it comes to consistent and dangerous fast bowling, as well as classy batting
Well, if he's not bowling at these people from the start then he clearly isnt getting 3,4, and 5 out !
I can't believe you've said that - how did he get Kohli out 4 times then?
Woooah……...
Ok, lets look at his stats this series...
1st Test He removed Sharma , the no 10, twice. He also removed Kohli.....once he had got to 149
2nd Test Wasn't even asked to bowl the whole game
3rd Test Got Kohli in first innings …..for 97. Then got Dhawan (1) , Rahane (5) and Shami (8), when you could argue that India were chasing runs for declaration, with innings figures of 27-2-101-3.
So, to put it in a simple form, he has got Kohli out twice when he has been beyond 100 or very close to it. He has also got the no 10 out twice, along with the no 1,5 and 8 in second innings of 3rd test.
He plainly is a bowler that Root doesn't trust (otherwise why would he bowl him so infrequently at times)
His figures in the 2nd innings 3rd Test are reasonable, but the game had already gone away from England at that point. If you were to look at his stats at the half-way point in the 3rd Test, his overall Test figures are bordering on very poor for a front-line bowler (would have been 4 wickets, of Kohli twice when he had made 100 plus or damn near it over (possibly) 5 innings) To me, he is clearly a luxury. I havnt looked at the other England bowlers, but I would suggest that all of them have better figures than Rashid. He's not a bowler who is going to change games, and as I said, he is not a bowler who is going to take key wickets of top 6 batsmen when you need them, nor is he a bowler who is able to place pressure on top 6 batsmen. If we are going to play on green-tops then he is a luxury best replaced by Sam, because at least then you are going to get pace variety plus Sams batting ability too.
Well there you are you've proved it again. Jason Roy a remarkably talented batsman can only play one way and has no other method. You said the same about David Warner. You like many just pigeonhole players as a "type". You're fully qualified to be a member of the Team England management and coaching staff. Worth a go and wanting are quite different by the way.
Well there you are you've proved it again. Jason Roy a remarkably talented batsman can only play one way and has no other method. You said the same about David Warner. You like many just pigeonhole players as a "type". You're fully qualified to be a member of the Team England management and coaching staff. Worth a go and wanting are quite different by the way.
There's a lot of 'you' there.
Maybe you can come back with a serious debateable comment for a change, which shows you have some inkling of a cricket knowledge. Otherwise, I will just always regard you as the pompous patronising prick that you appear to be.
Of course there is a lot of "you" there. We are discussing you. I generally avoid your comments and resist the urge to argue with you but your recent ongoing spat with AA about the worth of Rashid was simply too much. As my dear old friend would say I will now revert back to ignore mode.
The point that got me most was the scouts for the selection panel were all either out at jollies or playing their own games. Whilst the head selectors were both at the England match sipping champagne.
So who was actually looking at alternative players.....
it seems the path to the team is via the lions rather than "scouts around the counties" ..say in 10 years time its possible you could have a test team who dont play county cricket at all (they just have a series of 1 day contracts around the globe ala "Rashid and Buttler"
Yes, it does seem that players get involved with the lions and A teams, and get promoted from there, and that once you're in their thoughts you stay there. Billings for example was constantly called up last season for England white ball matches as a specialist batsman, when completely out of form at Kent, instead of players (like Denly) who were playing much better
A lot different from the old days where a good performance in the late season Lords final (Nat West?) could earn you an England touring place!
Getting involved with England has proved the kiss of death for Riley's career...
Kerrigan went to pieces after his call up
Simon Kerrigan had perhaps the worst test debut in living memory, even rivalling that of Gavin Hamilton, whom had a dreadful one is SA in 2000.
I had heard that Kerrigan was half decent, but he preceded to bowl a succession of full bungers and half trackers to Shane Watson (whom I am sure was looking for Jeremy Beadle in the stands), who promptly walloped him to all parts, and went onto a test century against England that even he couldn’t bollocks up!
Unsurprisingly he hasn’t been seen since, and I am not even sure if he still gets a game for Lancashire.
The point that got me most was the scouts for the selection panel were all either out at jollies or playing their own games. Whilst the head selectors were both at the England match sipping champagne.
So who was actually looking at alternative players.....
it seems the path to the team is via the lions rather than "scouts around the counties" ..say in 10 years time its possible you could have a test team who dont play county cricket at all (they just have a series of 1 day contracts around the globe ala "Rashid and Buttler"
Yes, it does seem that players get involved with the lions and A teams, and get promoted from there, and that once you're in their thoughts you stay there. Billings for example was constantly called up last season for England white ball matches as a specialist batsman, when completely out of form at Kent, instead of players (like Denly) who were playing much better
A lot different from the old days where a good performance in the late season Lords final (Nat West?) could earn you an England touring place!
Getting involved with England has proved the kiss of death for Riley's career...
Kerrigan went to pieces after his call up
Simon Kerrigan had perhaps the worst test debut in living memory, even rivalling that of Gavin Hamilton, whom had a dreadful one is SA in 2000.
I had heard that Kerrigan was half decent, but he preceded to bowl a succession of full bungers and half trackers to Shane Watson (whom I am sure was looking for Jeremy Beadle in the stands), who promptly walloped him to all parts, and went onto a test century against England that even he couldn’t bollocks up!
Unsurprisingly he hasn’t been seen since, and I am not even sure if he still gets a game for Lancashire.
Kerrigan doesn't play for the County any more but helps with some coaching. He does play club cricket as a batsman and rarely bowls.
Gavin is a friend of mine and got into the England side at a time when we seemed intent on filling it with one day all rounders. He managed a pair - caught in the slips off Donald both times - and failed to take a wicket. He now works for the Professional Cricketers Association.
It's strange how bowlers can get the yips in this way, another spinner who springs to mind is Keith Medlycott
And of course Monty Panesar destroyed his career through off field and personal problems
Same thing happened to Gavin and he was a medium pacer. It got so bad that he had a couple of sessions with Paul McKenna, the hypnotist, but that didn't help either.
Another one was Langer who, I believe, utilised the belly putter to help.
The point that got me most was the scouts for the selection panel were all either out at jollies or playing their own games. Whilst the head selectors were both at the England match sipping champagne.
So who was actually looking at alternative players.....
it seems the path to the team is via the lions rather than "scouts around the counties" ..say in 10 years time its possible you could have a test team who dont play county cricket at all (they just have a series of 1 day contracts around the globe ala "Rashid and Buttler"
Yes, it does seem that players get involved with the lions and A teams, and get promoted from there, and that once you're in their thoughts you stay there. Billings for example was constantly called up last season for England white ball matches as a specialist batsman, when completely out of form at Kent, instead of players (like Denly) who were playing much better
A lot different from the old days where a good performance in the late season Lords final (Nat West?) could earn you an England touring place!
Getting involved with England has proved the kiss of death for Riley's career...
Kerrigan went to pieces after his call up
Simon Kerrigan had perhaps the worst test debut in living memory, even rivalling that of Gavin Hamilton, whom had a dreadful one is SA in 2000.
I had heard that Kerrigan was half decent, but he preceded to bowl a succession of full bungers and half trackers to Shane Watson (whom I am sure was looking for Jeremy Beadle in the stands), who promptly walloped him to all parts, and went onto a test century against England that even he couldn’t bollocks up!
Unsurprisingly he hasn’t been seen since, and I am not even sure if he still gets a game for Lancashire.
Kerrigan doesn't play for the County any more but helps with some coaching. He does play club cricket as a batsman and rarely bowls.
Gavin is a friend of mine and got into the England side at a time when we seemed intent on filling it with one day all rounders. He managed a pair - caught in the slips off Donald both times - and failed to take a wicket. He now works for the Professional Cricketers Association.
Thanks for that mate, I knew that Kerrigan hadn’t played for a while, sad that he has dropped out of the pro game completely.
Joking aside that debut must have been hugely traumatic for him, as there can be nothing worse than getting the yips on your test debut at a packed Oval, and seeing your craft dismantled so brutally. The interesting thing about that game of course is that the Aussies tried to make a game of it, but almost lost the test , as England finished just short in a run chase, that they would have completed had bad light not occurred.
Shame about your mate Gavin, hard to think of a more difficult test debut than away to SA at the Wanderers on a green-top, against Pollock, Donald and Ntini. He can at least have the consolation that he had a slightly better debut than the Aussie leg spinner Bryce McGain, who also debuted in SA in the noughties, and bowled 18 overs for 0-149 and was never seen again.
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Haven’t seen much of Archer and he seems like a limited overs player like most up and coming youngsters because he’s an all rounder. Can’t imagine he will end up playing for England though
it's come to the point where India, so long the nation of heavy scoring, patient batsmen, wily spinners and the occasional useful medium pacer, can outdo us when it comes to consistent and dangerous fast bowling, as well as classy batting
Ok, lets look at his stats this series...
1st Test
He removed Sharma , the no 10, twice.
He also removed Kohli.....once he had got to 149
2nd Test
Wasn't even asked to bowl the whole game
3rd Test
Got Kohli in first innings …..for 97.
Then got Dhawan (1) , Rahane (5) and Shami (8), when you could argue that India were chasing runs for declaration, with innings figures of 27-2-101-3.
So, to put it in a simple form, he has got Kohli out twice when he has been beyond 100 or very close to it.
He has also got the no 10 out twice, along with the no 1,5 and 8 in second innings of 3rd test.
He plainly is a bowler that Root doesn't trust (otherwise why would he bowl him so infrequently at times)
His figures in the 2nd innings 3rd Test are reasonable, but the game had already gone away from England at that point.
If you were to look at his stats at the half-way point in the 3rd Test, his overall Test figures are bordering on very poor for a front-line bowler (would have been 4 wickets, of Kohli twice when he had made 100 plus or damn near it over (possibly) 5 innings)
To me, he is clearly a luxury. I havnt looked at the other England bowlers, but I would suggest that all of them have better figures than Rashid. He's not a bowler who is going to change games, and as I said, he is not a bowler who is going to take key wickets of top 6 batsmen when you need them, nor is he a bowler who is able to place pressure on top 6 batsmen.
If we are going to play on green-tops then he is a luxury best replaced by Sam, because at least then you are going to get pace variety plus Sams batting ability too.
Worth a go and wanting are quite different by the way.
Maybe you can come back with a serious debateable comment for a change, which shows you have some inkling of a cricket knowledge.
Otherwise, I will just always regard you as the pompous patronising prick that you appear to be.
I had heard that Kerrigan was half decent, but he preceded to bowl a succession of full bungers and half trackers to Shane Watson (whom I am sure was looking for Jeremy Beadle in the stands), who promptly walloped him to all parts, and went onto a test century against England that even he couldn’t bollocks up!
Unsurprisingly he hasn’t been seen since, and I am not even sure if he still gets a game for Lancashire.
Gavin is a friend of mine and got into the England side at a time when we seemed intent on filling it with one day all rounders. He managed a pair - caught in the slips off Donald both times - and failed to take a wicket. He now works for the Professional Cricketers Association.
And of course Monty Panesar destroyed his career through off field and personal problems
Another one was Langer who, I believe, utilised the belly putter to help.
Eric Bristow.
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Joking aside that debut must have been hugely traumatic for him, as there can be nothing worse than getting the yips on your test debut at a packed Oval, and seeing your craft dismantled so brutally.
The interesting thing about that game of course is that the Aussies tried to make a game of it, but almost lost the test , as England finished just short in a run chase, that they would have completed had bad light not occurred.
Shame about your mate Gavin, hard to think of a more difficult test debut than away to SA at the Wanderers on a green-top, against Pollock, Donald and Ntini. He can at least have the consolation that he had a slightly better debut than the Aussie leg spinner Bryce McGain, who also debuted in SA in the noughties, and bowled 18 overs for 0-149 and was never seen again.