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Jake Forster-Caskey (ed. Signs a new contract extension to 2021)

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  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    ForeverAddickted said:
    The audio sounds like it’s taken from a kids match on Clapham Common. 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,175
    Season's over, I almost hope he doesn't see much more than the odd minute here and there. We've got a storied history of breaking footballers, don't want to see us push him too much and have him break down again. Hopefully he'll sign on for next season and we can build him up for then
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    Garrymanilow said:
    Season's over, I almost hope he doesn't see much more than the odd minute here and there. We've got a storied history of breaking footballers, don't want to see us push him too much and have him break down again. Hopefully he'll sign on for next season and we can build him up for then
    Agree.  Phased appearances.  The guy’s already recovered from this once.  Has probably had to work that much harder this time round no doubt.  Would be a disaster if he had a set back all for the sake of us beating Shrewsbury in a meaningless fixture 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,384
    Elthamaddick said:
    I thought one of his best games for us was away at Fulham when I think he played at wing back....could he be the answer there?
    I hope bringing in 2 or 3 specialist wing backs is a priority for the summer so we can move away from trying different players there.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,874
    Don't we have the option to keep him on for another year, so it's a case of him proving his fitness to us?
  • jbaker
    jbaker Posts: 123
    killerandflash said:
    Don't we have the option to keep him on for another year, so it's a case of him proving his fitness to us?
    Yes
  • grumpyaddick
    grumpyaddick Posts: 6,596
    Took me  a while to warm to JFC but he was our best player last season prior to his injury. 

    Don't think any midfielder will prosper in this current dysfunctional set up. Dobson guards the defence leaving two players hopelessly outnumbered and overwhelmed to cover half the pitch. Sometimes against a five man midfield.

    It has been obvious for at least ten games but nothing changes. 
  • Bexleyheath_Addick
    Bexleyheath_Addick Posts: 211
    I actually think a midfield 3 of Dobson, JFC and Fraser would work really well. JFC is similar to Gilbey in that he has a great engine, but JFC just has so much more technical ability, which our midfield was lacking a lot of until Fraser came in.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,587
    Garrymanilow said:
    Season's over, I almost hope he doesn't see much more than the odd minute here and there. We've got a storied history of breaking footballers, don't want to see us push him too much and have him break down again. Hopefully he'll sign on for next season and we can build him up for then
    funny because I disagree. Need to see him eased in but then a run of say five games at the end to prove himself. Can't offer new deals to those who we can't rely on fitness wise.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    Bexleyheath_Addick said:
    I actually think a midfield 3 of Dobson, JFC and Fraser would work really well. JFC is similar to Gilbey in that he has a great engine, but JFC just has so much more technical ability, which our midfield was lacking a lot of until Fraser came in.
    I agree, I think that we should give that trio a go and see how it goes. With Dobson at the base and Fraser left to pick passes, JFC has a skill set that could work really well a bridge between them where Gilbey has the athleticism for the job but seems to come up short on the technical issues.

    It would definitely leave us vulnerable out wide though so that is an area that would need addressing. 
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,874
    LargeAddick said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    Season's over, I almost hope he doesn't see much more than the odd minute here and there. We've got a storied history of breaking footballers, don't want to see us push him too much and have him break down again. Hopefully he'll sign on for next season and we can build him up for then
    funny because I disagree. Need to see him eased in but then a run of say five games at the end to prove himself. Can't offer new deals to those who we can't rely on fitness wise.
    I do agree that we need some comfort that he will be able to return to the same level he had before his injury
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,384
    edited March 2022
    LargeAddick said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    Season's over, I almost hope he doesn't see much more than the odd minute here and there. We've got a storied history of breaking footballers, don't want to see us push him too much and have him break down again. Hopefully he'll sign on for next season and we can build him up for then
    funny because I disagree. Need to see him eased in but then a run of say five games at the end to prove himself. Can't offer new deals to those who we can't rely on fitness wise.
    Have to agree, it’s even more important with the squad cap in place. We need to be careful we don’t sign up too many with risks around their fitness - there are arguments for keeping both Inniss (I disagree on him) and JFC, but when you add in Aneke and potentially others that’s a lot of players who can’t play 90 minutes twice a week (hopefully not an issue for JFC in time).
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    Scoham said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    Season's over, I almost hope he doesn't see much more than the odd minute here and there. We've got a storied history of breaking footballers, don't want to see us push him too much and have him break down again. Hopefully he'll sign on for next season and we can build him up for then
    funny because I disagree. Need to see him eased in but then a run of say five games at the end to prove himself. Can't offer new deals to those who we can't rely on fitness wise.
    Have to agree, it’s even more important with the squad cap in place. We need to be careful we don’t sign up too many with risks around their fitness - there are arguments for keeping both Inniss (I disagree on him) and JFC, but when you add in Aneke and potentially others that’s a lot of players who can’t play 90 minutes twice a week (hopefully not an issue for JFC in time).
    JFC is probably in the rare position where its legitimately tricky to work out whether he's just had a LOT of bad luck with the severity/timing of injuries or whether he's becoming more generally injury prone (a la Inniss.)

    He's good enough at his best that I personally would see him given another chance but as its not just him but the likes of Aneke and Inniss as well suddenly its a different story. A "spine" of a (fully fit) Inniss - JFC - Aneke would be a strong basis of a team, but how often would you actually have all 3 available at once?

    Big decisions to be made I think. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,350
    edited March 2022
    JFC's league appearances for CAFC:

    20/21: 34
    19/20: 11
    18/19: 3
    18/17: 41
    16/17: 15

    Average of 17 games per season.

    (Not including this season. If he played all remaining 8 games then his average would be 16 games per season.)
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,384
    Can’t count 16/17, he signed halfway through.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,350
    Scoham said:
    Can’t count 16/17, he signed halfway through.
    Cheers, didn't realise that. 

    In that case the average (including 8 games this season) is 19.4. 
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    edited March 2022
    Those stats are completely skewed though.

    Not fair to count the 18/19 season as he got injured literally just before the first game of the season and that was him done. It was devastating.

    The following season he was still working his way back to his best but still had some very strong performances in that Championship season when he was available.

    He is not a player who has suffered from constant or niggling injuries. He’s someone who has been exceptionally unlucky with two major injuries and huge credit to him for working himself back to where he is.

    A very talented player, one I look forward to seeing back in a Charlton shirt again this season and beyond.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,350
    edited March 2022
    Not sure what you mean @Sage? I posted those appearances without comment just to give an idea of how much football he plays vs being injured. If he got injured and didn't play... Well that's the purpose of the stats. To show that very thing.

    I advocated for giving him a new contract and I like him as a player. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,874
    The thing that concerns me, is that after his injury at the start of 18/19, it not only affected that season but the following season 19/20 as well, as his body struggled to cope with regular football again. 4 appearances in October, then another injury and fitness issues which kept him out more or less until June after lockdown.

    Hence he really needs to be eased back really gently, before a good pre season.
  • hermann
    hermann Posts: 481
    Played 66 mins today, should be back in contention for our upcoming fixtures.
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  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    Chunes said:
    Not sure what you mean @Sage? I posted those appearances without comment just to give an idea of how much football he plays vs being injured. If he got injured and didn't play... Well that's the purpose of the stats. To show that very thing.

    I advocated for giving him a new contract and I like him as a player. 
    I didn’t mean for it to come across as if I was having a go, if it did. So apologies if so.

    Basically, the stats are skewed as one whole season mentioned was a write off after a freak injury. This season is also a write off.

    The season he joined was in January but hadn’t played much at Rotherham so needed to build fitness before really kicking on. He featured in all but 5 games after he signed. Average that through the season and he plays around 36 games.

    The following season he plays 41 and was very good. Finished 3rd in the POTY.

    He then got his freak injury on the eve of the 18/19 and missed a whole season.

    He played only 11 times in the Championship, granted, but it took a while for him to really find his feet again after a horrible injury. If we were in League One that season, I would anticipate he likely plays more.

    We then come to last season where he was outstanding. Winning POTY. He played 34 games,, some specifically managed game time from Bowyer, and ended the season with another unbelievably unlucky injury.

    This season is another write off.

    My point was when you look at his record of games in real detail in terms of when he is actually available, it’s not as low as your figures because they’re just a snapshot of the situation.

    He would average 31 games a season, including his managed return season in the Championship and if you take the average of the 2016/17 season. 

    In terms of games when he is available (taking out the two whole seasons due to injury) he starts 64% of the time.

    With that in mind, if he comes back in the shape it looks like he is in and has been mentioned, add in a positive pre-season and you could estimate he plays 35 games next season, very good going in my honest opinion.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,350
    edited March 2022
    Fair enough mate. I think he is probably our best 'general' midfielder and we're a better team with him in it when he's fit. I was quite surprised by those stats.

    I just wonder to what extent his injuries are bad luck and not a propensity for injuries.  If you've done your ACL 2/3 times, do you not have a weakness there? 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,874
    Sage said:
    Chunes said:
    Not sure what you mean @Sage? I posted those appearances without comment just to give an idea of how much football he plays vs being injured. If he got injured and didn't play... Well that's the purpose of the stats. To show that very thing.

    I advocated for giving him a new contract and I like him as a player. 

    He played only 11 times in the Championship, granted, but it took a while for him to really find his feet again after a horrible injury. If we were in League One that season, I would anticipate he likely plays more.

    In reality 2019/20 in the Championship was also a virtual write-off, with 7 starts spread right across the season

    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jake-forster-caskey/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/148151/plus/0?saison=2019&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    Chunes said:
    Fair enough mate. I think he is probably our best 'general' midfielder and we're a better team with him in it when he's fit. I was quite surprised by those stats.

    I just wonder to what extent his injuries are bad luck and not a propensity for injuries.  If you've done your ACL 2/3 times, do you not have a weakness there? 
    Until the initial ACL, he never had done anything like that so unfortunately was a freak injury that has meant he missed a whole season of his career.

    This one is his opposite knee so nothing to do with the original ACL.

    He may always have a little bit of weakness but you make up for it by ensuring the structures around his ACL are even stronger.

    Completely agree he’s our best midfielder when fit and available too. Excellent player at this level especially.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    The big difference between JFC and the rest of our current midfielders is that he scores goals.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    Redrobo said:
    The big difference between JFC and the rest of our current midfielders is that he scores goals.
    13 so far in 111 appearances. So about the same rate as Gilbey (6 in 58).


    I like him and rate him highly but let's not get carried away here. 
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    I think he scores different types of goals. He can score from a free kick for example, something I don’t think anyone in our current team can do.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    Sage said:
    I think he scores different types of goals. He can score from a free kick for example, something I don’t think anyone in our current team can do.
    Fraser is a possibility there, but I take the point. Certainly I would think that Jackson of all coaches would be wanting a proper goal scorer arriving late from the midfield, and JFC certainly has the ability to do that in a suitable system. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360

    MacGillivray
    Clare - Lavelle - Famewo
    Dobson
    Jaiyesimi - F.Caskey - Fraser - B.Taylor
    Washing - Stockley

    Decent enough side to end the season Shirley?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited March 2022
    Chunes said:
    Fair enough mate. I think he is probably our best 'general' midfielder and we're a better team with him in it when he's fit. I was quite surprised by those stats.

    I just wonder to what extent his injuries are bad luck and not a propensity for injuries.  If you've done your ACL 2/3 times, do you not have a weakness there? 
    If you did it 3 times you would because you would have to do the same one twice.  Doing both of them is probably more bad luck than anything else.

    Also his championship injury was probably compounded because he had to play 90 minutes Saturday Tuesday Saturday before he was ready because everyone else was injured. He wasn't the only one. 

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