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Toby Stevenson - now at Billericay Town (p3)

AFKABartram
AFKABartram Posts: 57,825
edited July 2022 in General Charlton
An U18 with Leyton Orient and recently been turning out for Heybridge Swifts. Trialled with Charlton in recent weeks I think

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  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Heybridge and the I’s had very high hopes for him.
    Good to see Steve Avory still doing his thing
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,848
    Good luck Toby

    I wish Steve Avory would get a new picture though, I'd fed up with seeing that one of the horses :smile:
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    AFKABartram said:

    An U18 with Leyton Orient and recently been turning out for Heybridge Swifts. Trialled with Charlton in recent weeks I think

    All the best to ya you creepy looking little lad.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    I see from that twitter account that Toby was the trialist who played centre half in the under 18 final v Palace recently.

    I thought he was outstanding on the night, so really pleased we have him on board. Welcome to the club Toby.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    bolloxbolder said:

    I see from that twitter account that Toby was the trialist who played centre half in the under 18 final v Palace recently.

    I thought he was outstanding on the night, so really pleased we have him on board. Welcome to the club Toby.

    I agree with this. He made one particularly excellent interception/tackle in the first half, and for a lad unfamiliar with his team mates he did very well.
    We will have to see how he progresses.
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    AFKABartram said:

    An U18 with Leyton Orient and recently been turning out for Heybridge Swifts. Trialled with Charlton in recent weeks I think

    Welcome to the house of fun Toby
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,626
    seth plum said:

    bolloxbolder said:

    I see from that twitter account that Toby was the trialist who played centre half in the under 18 final v Palace recently.

    I thought he was outstanding on the night, so really pleased we have him on board. Welcome to the club Toby.

    I agree with this. He made one particularly excellent interception/tackle in the first half, and for a lad unfamiliar with his team mates he did very well.
    We will have to see how he progresses.
    Agree
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,024
    Dazzler21 said:

    AFKABartram said:

    An U18 with Leyton Orient and recently been turning out for Heybridge Swifts. Trialled with Charlton in recent weeks I think

    All the best to ya you creepy looking little lad.
    Bit harsh!
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,275
    http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/leyton-orient/leyton-orient-s-toby-stevenson-follows-in-the-footsteps-of-sam-dalby-by-being-selected-in-the-league-football-education-s-the-11-1-5411853

    Seems a decent character from this article. Good luck to you Toby.
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,836
    I find it hard to fathom decisions taken by clubs about young players. Presumably Orient didn’t see enough to offer him a deal yet a short while later he gets a deal at one of the best academies in the country - ours. Are we better judges, has he just developed strongly in recent months, or what? Good luck to him though, really hope he goes on to have a great career.
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  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Davo55 said:

    I find it hard to fathom decisions taken by clubs about young players. Presumably Orient didn’t see enough to offer him a deal yet a short while later he gets a deal at one of the best academies in the country - ours. Are we better judges, has he just developed strongly in recent months, or what? Good luck to him though, really hope he goes on to have a great career.

    Could it also be the fact the Oriwnt saw he had something special and didnt want to risk holding him back (non league budget, non league facilities) so they released him for his own good knowing someone bigger would take him
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,848
    Davo55 said:

    I find it hard to fathom decisions taken by clubs about young players. Presumably Orient didn’t see enough to offer him a deal yet a short while later he gets a deal at one of the best academies in the country - ours. Are we better judges, has he just developed strongly in recent months, or what? Good luck to him though, really hope he goes on to have a great career.

    Yes, I guess at that age it's down to the judgement of the academy managers and the squad depth they have in that position on the pitch.

    I imagine we can afford to make punts on players whereas Orient can't afford to have so many young professionals.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Stig said:

    Dazzler21 said:

    AFKABartram said:

    An U18 with Leyton Orient and recently been turning out for Heybridge Swifts. Trialled with Charlton in recent weeks I think

    All the best to ya, you creepy looking little lad.
    Bit harsh!
    That be a devilish look in his eye I tell ye!
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,275
    Did Orient release him? Assumed he had just done a ‘Defoe’ on them?
  • East_Stand_Loopy
    East_Stand_Loopy Posts: 2,205
    Davo55 said:

    I find it hard to fathom decisions taken by clubs about young players. Presumably Orient didn’t see enough to offer him a deal yet a short while later he gets a deal at one of the best academies in the country - ours. Are we better judges, has he just developed strongly in recent months, or what? Good luck to him though, really hope he goes on to have a great career.

    I very much doubt, in their position, Orient even have an academy.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    edited May 2018
    Davo55 said:

    I find it hard to fathom decisions taken by clubs about young players. Presumably Orient didn’t see enough to offer him a deal yet a short while later he gets a deal at one of the best academies in the country - ours. Are we better judges, has he just developed strongly in recent months, or what? Good luck to him though, really hope he goes on to have a great career.

    Maybe they did offer him a deal but he turned it down.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    paulie8290 said:

    Davo55 said:

    I find it hard to fathom decisions taken by clubs about young players. Presumably Orient didn’t see enough to offer him a deal yet a short while later he gets a deal at one of the best academies in the country - ours. Are we better judges, has he just developed strongly in recent months, or what? Good luck to him though, really hope he goes on to have a great career.

    Could it also be the fact the Oriwnt saw he had something special and didnt want to risk holding him back (non league budget, non league facilities) so they released him for his own good knowing someone bigger would take him
    Yeah that would be a stupid approach from a club as they risk losing out on a cash windfall from them
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    Davo55 said:

    I find it hard to fathom decisions taken by clubs about young players. Presumably Orient didn’t see enough to offer him a deal yet a short while later he gets a deal at one of the best academies in the country - ours. Are we better judges, has he just developed strongly in recent months, or what? Good luck to him though, really hope he goes on to have a great career.

    S'pose we've done it ourselves plenty of times... Just look at that poor lad Jermaine Defoe for example, didnt stand a chance of making it through our Acadamy so West Ham kindly signed him up
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Davo55 said:

    I find it hard to fathom decisions taken by clubs about young players. Presumably Orient didn’t see enough to offer him a deal yet a short while later he gets a deal at one of the best academies in the country - ours. Are we better judges, has he just developed strongly in recent months, or what? Good luck to him though, really hope he goes on to have a great career.

    S'pose we've done it ourselves plenty of times... Just look at that poor lad Jermaine Defoe for example, didnt stand a chance of making it through our Acadamy so West Ham kindly signed him up
    We have done it ourselves, Jordan Ibe, Michael Turner
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    cafcfan1990 said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Davo55 said:

    I find it hard to fathom decisions taken by clubs about young players. Presumably Orient didn’t see enough to offer him a deal yet a short while later he gets a deal at one of the best academies in the country - ours. Are we better judges, has he just developed strongly in recent months, or what? Good luck to him though, really hope he goes on to have a great career.

    S'pose we've done it ourselves plenty of times... Just look at that poor lad Jermaine Defoe for example, didnt stand a chance of making it through our Acadamy so West Ham kindly signed him up
    We have done it ourselves, Jordan Ibe, Michael Turner
    I think those cases are justifyable (is that a word?) though... Same with Oztumer | Dack etc. We were a Premier League Team at the time so was always going to be a struggle to break through for them, just happened to be a case of their careers peaked whilst Charlton were on a downward curve.

    Genuinely cant think of a player who has been released and gone to a higher club though - I know Semi Ajayi went to Arsenal but werent we about to offer a Contract ourselves before they came sniffing for him?
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,848
    It does seem that Orient let him go, rather than him refusing to stay

    Didn't we pick up Kurtis Cumberbatch from Watford a youngster a few years ago after they had let him go? Only to then let him go ourselves a year later
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    If Steve Avory rates him, that will do for me
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,595
    ross1 said:

    If Steve Avory rates him, that will do for me

    I agree, if you've ever met him he's top draw, sounds to a laymen like me that he just knows his job and football coaching/development inside out and takes real pride in the young players coming through.
  • tommy12317
    tommy12317 Posts: 73
    Toby is localish so when it came to the final a few of them had met/ played against him before!
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    Sounds like Leyton Orient dont have an U23 Squad so had no choice but to release him

    Surprised at their level they didnt just put him in their First-Team
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,848
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Sounds like Leyton Orient dont have an U23 Squad so had no choice but to release him

    Surprised at their level they didnt just put him in their First-Team

    Yes, it's weird to go through the expense of an academy, but then let someone go because they don't have an U23 team. Orient would surely play youngsters in their main squad if they're good enough?
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    ForeverAddickted said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Davo55 said:

    I find it hard to fathom decisions taken by clubs about young players. Presumably Orient didn’t see enough to offer him a deal yet a short while later he gets a deal at one of the best academies in the country - ours. Are we better judges, has he just developed strongly in recent months, or what? Good luck to him though, really hope he goes on to have a great career.

    S'pose we've done it ourselves plenty of times... Just look at that poor lad Jermaine Defoe for example, didnt stand a chance of making it through our Acadamy so West Ham kindly signed him up
    We have done it ourselves, Jordan Ibe, Michael Turner
    I think those cases are justifyable (is that a word?) though... Same with Oztumer | Dack etc. We were a Premier League Team at the time so was always going to be a struggle to break through for them, just happened to be a case of their careers peaked whilst Charlton were on a downward curve.

    Genuinely cant think of a player who has been released and gone to a higher club though - I know Semi Ajayi went to Arsenal but werent we about to offer a Contract ourselves before they came sniffing for him?
    Right, for all the ones we've willing let go, I think there was good reason for pretty much all of them with the possible exception of Harry Arter, who was seemingly let go because we were skint (if memory serves, correct me if I'm wrong on that) and he'd been a long time out with serious injury.

    But yeah the likes of Oz, Turner, Dack were all far off the first team. And there's also no guarantee they would have turned out as well as they did if they'd stayed with us and not been able to play regularly through their formative years.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Wow
    2 goals on debut for a defender

    Just wow
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Nearly a hat trick

  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    How old is he

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