Eighth Amendment Referendum

Callumcafc

Exit polls in Ireland suggest a 68-32 result in favour of repealing this amendment, which places an effective ban on abortions.

Well done Ireland.

kimbo

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

paulie8290

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

Stu_of_Kunming

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

You don't really understand this referendum, do you?

paulie8290

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

You don't really understand this referendum, do you?

Actually I do.

It will make abortions legal by the end of the year.

I stand by my statement which is my opinion and my right to say so Abortions should only be legal in exceptional circumstances like Rape

Stu_of_Kunming

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

You don't really understand this referendum, do you?

I stand by my statement which is my opinion and my right to say so Abortions should only be legal in exceptional circumstances like Rape

Then surely you agree with the vote?

paulie8290

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

You don't really understand this referendum, do you?

I stand by my statement which is my opinion and my right to say so Abortions should only be legal in exceptional circumstances like Rape

Then surely you agree with the vote?

Not exactly no.

A yes vote means anyone could have an abortion like here which as I have stated IMO is wrong.

SDAddick

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

You don't really understand this referendum, do you?

Actually I do.

It will make abortions legal by the end of the year.

I stand by my statement which is my opinion and my right to say so Abortions should only be legal in exceptional circumstances like Rape

*Up to 12 weeks.

And just because you had a good experience, and I'm incredibly happy for you that you did, doesn't mean it's the right one for everyone. This is about letting women decide what works best for them, just as you and your partner got to choose what was best for you. It's called a "Pro-Choice" campaign because it's about giving women the basic rights, the basic decency, to make a decision that impacts their lives, their bodies, and their well being. It means that you, nor I, nor anyone else but them make that choice.

NapaAddick

Glad Ireland is finally entering the 1970s.

SDAddick

NapaAddick said:

Glad Ireland is finally entering the 1970s.

Careful because we may be going back there soon.

Stu_of_Kunming

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

You don't really understand this referendum, do you?

I stand by my statement which is my opinion and my right to say so Abortions should only be legal in exceptional circumstances like Rape

Then surely you agree with the vote?

Not exactly no.

A yes vote means anyone could have an abortion like here which as I have stated IMO is wrong.

No, it doesn't, I'd suggest some further research.

palarsehater

The mrs is Irish and she feels very strongly for the yes vote, another situation is a pregnant mother ( 1 month gone ) is diagnosed with cancer and because she is pregnant cannot have chemo because she is pregnant, also if a baby is deemed to not survive outside the womb the expectant mother has no choice but to carry the baby - must be an horrendous thing to have to do.

Manicmania

It's a very emotive issue, certainly not a black and white one. Absolutely the right thing to do to leave it to a public vote and think the Irish people look to have made the right decision. I don't think anybody is arguing that abortions should be used as another form of birth control but at the same time I don't think people should be forced into something life altering due to a mistake/failure of the method of birth control used.

More importantly I find it absolutely abhorrent that at present a rape victim (including an incestuous or under age one) is legally prohibited from aborting the result in Ireland under punishment of up to 14 years in prison - talk about punishing the victim. Thankfully it looks like the Irish public have put an end to that particular injustice.

guinnessaddick

SDAddick said:

NapaAddick said:

Glad Ireland is finally entering the 1970s.

Careful because we may be going back there soon.

ROI won’t be going back, it’s the 6 counties that will be. Abortion still illegal there & all the time May is tucked up with the DUP, nothing will change.

Red_in_SE8

If those exit polls are right that really is "the will of the people".

se9addick

100% vote yes.

se9addick

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

You don't really understand this referendum, do you?

I stand by my statement which is my opinion and my right to say so Abortions should only be legal in exceptional circumstances like Rape

Then surely you agree with the vote?

Not exactly no.

A yes vote means anyone could have an abortion like here which as I have stated IMO is wrong.

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

You don't really understand this referendum, do you?

I stand by my statement which is my opinion and my right to say so Abortions should only be legal in exceptional circumstances like Rape

Then surely you agree with the vote?

Not exactly no.

A yes vote means anyone could have an abortion like here which as I have stated IMO is wrong.

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

You don't really understand this referendum, do you?

I stand by my statement which is my opinion and my right to say so Abortions should only be legal in exceptional circumstances like Rape

Then surely you agree with the vote?

Not exactly no.

A yes vote means anyone could have an abortion like here which as I have stated IMO is wrong.

Do some research before you comment mate, you sound insane.

MuttleyCAFC

It is a very difficult subject. It has to be available but not too easy. Of course if a woman is raped, there are health implications for her etc... there should be no barriers and in Ireland there are. I think we have it largely right here and I suspect Ireland wouldn't veer too far from that. It is still sad and upsetting but necessary.

Todds_right_hook

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

So if a baby has no chance of surviving once born, you expect the mum to carry it full term?

Rothko

Well done Ireland, but the reason it got here is utter unforgivable

https://twitter.com/aoiph/status/999885603670904832

MrOneLung

Sorry, not read much on this. Is the plan to allow abortion up to 12 weeks for any reason and then up to 24 weeks in extenuating circumstances?

Don’t see much wrong with that if that is the case.

MrOneLung

Not sure why @paulie8290 opinion is less valid than anyone else’s.

If he believes right to life begins at conception that should be respected.

se9addick

MrOneLung said:

Not sure why @paulie8290 opinion is less valid than anyone else’s.

If he believes right to life begins at conception that should be respected.

Nobody said his opinion isn't respected or is invalid, stop creating straw men.

Henry Irving

What about the right of babies concieved by rape to be born?

Why is it ok to abort those babies but not other babies? @paulie8290

If, as you say, babies have a right to be born that should apply to all babies as none is guilty of any crime.

PS I'm for a woman's right to choose.

ShootersHillGuru

MrOneLung said:

Not sure why @paulie8290 opinion is less valid than anyone else’s.

If he believes right to life begins at conception that should be respected.

At the risk of expanding this discussion I think that there are clear parallels with the issue of allowing people with terminal illness the right to decide when they die.

A group of people find the idea that choice and the rights of others to decide what happens in their lives and bodies to be unacceptable under any conditions or circumstances. Imposing their views without detailed knowledge of what they are really objecting to.

I’m glad Ireland has voted for choice and I live in hope that the UK can find a way to have the discussion about assisted death before too many more years pass.

se9addick

ShootersHillGuru said:

MrOneLung said:

Not sure why @paulie8290 opinion is less valid than anyone else’s.

If he believes right to life begins at conception that should be respected.

At the risk of expanding this discussion I think that there are clear parallels with the issue of allowing people with terminal illness the right to decide when they die.

A group of people find the idea that choice and the rights of others to decide what happens in their lives and bodies to be unacceptable under any conditions or circumstances. Imposing their views without detailed knowledge of what they are really objecting to.

I’m glad Ireland has voted for choice and I live in hope that the UK can find a way to have the discussion about assisted death before too many more years pass.

I disagree that there are parallels with Euthanasia and abortion. Under the laws of our country (not Ireland, which this thread originally considers) you aren't a sentient, legal, human until postpartum and therefore the two concepts are not equivalent.

IdleHans

I think the equivalence here is between choice for the pregnant woman and choice for the person with the illness.

ShootersHillGuru

se9addick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

MrOneLung said:

Not sure why @paulie8290 opinion is less valid than anyone else’s.

If he believes right to life begins at conception that should be respected.

At the risk of expanding this discussion I think that there are clear parallels with the issue of allowing people with terminal illness the right to decide when they die.

A group of people find the idea that choice and the rights of others to decide what happens in their lives and bodies to be unacceptable under any conditions or circumstances. Imposing their views without detailed knowledge of what they are really objecting to.

I’m glad Ireland has voted for choice and I live in hope that the UK can find a way to have the discussion about assisted death before too many more years pass.

I disagree that there are parallels with Euthanasia and abortion. Under the laws of our country (not Ireland, which this thread originally considers) you aren't a sentient, legal, human until postpartum and therefore the two concepts are not equivalent.

Well without getting into the fine details of law. My point was really about the right to have a choice and not be denied that choice by people not walking in your shoes with arguments that are largely based on controlling religious doctrine that has no relevance to me.

Dazzler21

palarsehater said:

The mrs is Irish and she feels very strongly for the yes vote, another situation is a pregnant mother ( 1 month gone ) is diagnosed with cancer and because she is pregnant cannot have chemo because she is pregnant, also if a baby is deemed to not survive outside the womb the expectant mother has no choice but to carry the baby - must be an horrendous thing to have to do.

My friend's wife has just given birth (had a cesarian) to welcome a beautiful healthy daughter into the world at just 7 months because of the need for Chemo to start. Both my friend and his wife said they wouldn't have dared to choose Chemo over bringing a wanted life into this world.

Also @paulie8290 surely you don't think it's right to make having a baby a punishment for all the teens and adults that have unprotected sex, potentially whilst out on a piss up or when a condom breaks or when a pill fails etc?!

Abortion whilst seemingly inhumane can stop a life being brought into the world unwanted, forcing a life to grow up unwanted is a sure way to have a kid grow up with personality and/or mental health disorders.

It's far too big an issue for a closed mind. We have to consider all options and abortion decisions should be accountable to the pregnant mother and the professional on a case by case basis.

Big_Bad_World

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

se9addick

ShootersHillGuru said:

se9addick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

MrOneLung said:

Not sure why @paulie8290 opinion is less valid than anyone else’s.

If he believes right to life begins at conception that should be respected.

At the risk of expanding this discussion I think that there are clear parallels with the issue of allowing people with terminal illness the right to decide when they die.

A group of people find the idea that choice and the rights of others to decide what happens in their lives and bodies to be unacceptable under any conditions or circumstances. Imposing their views without detailed knowledge of what they are really objecting to.

I’m glad Ireland has voted for choice and I live in hope that the UK can find a way to have the discussion about assisted death before too many more years pass.

I disagree that there are parallels with Euthanasia and abortion. Under the laws of our country (not Ireland, which this thread originally considers) you aren't a sentient, legal, human until postpartum and therefore the two concepts are not equivalent.

Well without getting into the fine details of law. My point was really about the right to have a choice and not be denied that choice by people not walking in your shoes with arguments that are largely based on controlling religious doctrine that has no relevance to me.

I think we agree, but maybe for different reasons.