Eighth Amendment Referendum

ShootersHillGuru

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

Algarveaddick

Well done the people of Ireland.

Big_Bad_World

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

golfaddick

posted after only having read Paulie's post;


I'm so 100% on the opposite camp I'm afraid.

Too many children are brought into this world because 2 people wanted a shag. Just because a women gets pregnant doesn't mean a child has to be born.

and I've got 3 kids so know excatly what amount of joy they bring....and been through miscarrisges as well & see scans at various ages of development.

ex wife was a midwife so know what is involved in an abortion & a d&c.

se9addick

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Why are you scared to say what you really mean?

The Red Robin

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

And as a man what right do you have to tell a woman what to do with her body?

Big_Bad_World

se9addick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Why are you scared to say what you really mean?

Tell me what I'm scared of saying and I'll tell you why you're wrong.

I'm in favour of the yes vote. No questions about that.

I'm just equating the turnout card in this one to that of other referenda and arguments used to highlight the non voters as means of rubbishing a legitimate outcome.

So, again, tell me about how you know what I'm scared of saying.

Big_Bad_World

The Red Robin said:

paulie8290 said:

kimbo said:

That would be fantastic result. About time women were given choice

What about the Babies choice to be born??

IMO abortions should only be allowed in exceptional circumstances I:E Rape.

But other than that if you dont want a baby then put something on it or have the implant or go on the pill.

Fed up of seeing people 'accidently' get pregnant and abort.

If you have chosen to have sex and chosen not to use protection then its a choice not an accident.

Was my daughter planned no
Was it correct timing most definetly not.
Did we even consider abortion 100% no

Is she the best thing to have happened to me 110% yes

And as a man what right do you have to tell a woman what to do with her body?

What right do the men of Ireland have, if you're going down that route?

ThreadKiller

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

I think that there were abstentions on the men’s side as they felt that really this was a woman’s issue

iainment

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Or against. Maybe a fair number of them just don't know.
What a day for Ireland. The whole society there is undergoing a shift that is absolutely amazing.

se9addick

Big_Bad_World said:

se9addick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Why are you scared to say what you really mean?

Tell me what I'm scared of saying and I'll tell you why you're wrong.

I'm in favour of the yes vote. No questions about that.

I'm just equating the turnout card in this one to that of other referenda and arguments used to highlight the non voters as means of rubbishing a legitimate outcome.

So, again, tell me about how you know what I'm scared of saying.

You're, clearly, trying to create some false equivalence between anti-Brexit arguments and a poll in another country about abortion. It's odd and I wonder why you are unable to say what you really mean.

ShootersHillGuru

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

No it wouldn’t. I give you Schrodingers Cat.

Big_Bad_World

se9addick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

se9addick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Why are you scared to say what you really mean?

Tell me what I'm scared of saying and I'll tell you why you're wrong.

I'm in favour of the yes vote. No questions about that.

I'm just equating the turnout card in this one to that of other referenda and arguments used to highlight the non voters as means of rubbishing a legitimate outcome.

So, again, tell me about how you know what I'm scared of saying.

You're, clearly, trying to create some false equivalence between anti-Brexit arguments and a poll in another country about abortion. It's odd and I wonder why you are unable to say what you really mean.

Why are you so scared to voice what your psychic powers are telling you?

So, again, tell me what I'm supposedly scared of saying.

Is it wrong to make equivalences between referenda? It clearly makes you uncomfortable and highlights the latent hypocrisy in peoples arguments.

se9addick

Big_Bad_World said:

se9addick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

se9addick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Why are you scared to say what you really mean?

Tell me what I'm scared of saying and I'll tell you why you're wrong.

I'm in favour of the yes vote. No questions about that.

I'm just equating the turnout card in this one to that of other referenda and arguments used to highlight the non voters as means of rubbishing a legitimate outcome.

So, again, tell me about how you know what I'm scared of saying.

You're, clearly, trying to create some false equivalence between anti-Brexit arguments and a poll in another country about abortion. It's odd and I wonder why you are unable to say what you really mean.

Why are you so scared to voice what your psychic powers are telling you?

So, again, tell me what I'm supposedly scared of saying.

Is it wrong to make equivalences between referenda? It clearly makes you uncomfortable and highlights the latent hypocrisy in peoples arguments.

Just in the case that you can't read properly I've highlighted exactly what I think you're trying to say but can't, for reasons only available to you.

Big_Bad_World

se9addick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

se9addick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

se9addick said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Why are you scared to say what you really mean?

Tell me what I'm scared of saying and I'll tell you why you're wrong.

I'm in favour of the yes vote. No questions about that.

I'm just equating the turnout card in this one to that of other referenda and arguments used to highlight the non voters as means of rubbishing a legitimate outcome.

So, again, tell me about how you know what I'm scared of saying.

You're, clearly, trying to create some false equivalence between anti-Brexit arguments and a poll in another country about abortion. It's odd and I wonder why you are unable to say what you really mean.

Why are you so scared to voice what your psychic powers are telling you?

So, again, tell me what I'm supposedly scared of saying.

Is it wrong to make equivalences between referenda? It clearly makes you uncomfortable and highlights the latent hypocrisy in peoples arguments.

Just in the case that you can't read properly I've highlighted exactly what I think you're trying to say but can't, for reasons only available to you.

I see you've stuck your fingers in your lug holes. Standard.

Big_Bad_World

iainment said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Or against. Maybe a fair number of them just don't know.
What a day for Ireland. The whole society there is undergoing a shift that is absolutely amazing.

I agree wholeheartedly. The same, fair minded, balanced logic doesn't seem to apply across the referenda spectrum.

Some people don't get it.

ShootersHillGuru

Big_Bad_World said:

iainment said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Or against. Maybe a fair number of them just don't know.
What a day for Ireland. The whole society there is undergoing a shift that is absolutely amazing.

I agree wholeheartedly. The same, fair minded, balanced logic doesn't seem to apply across the referenda spectrum.

Some people don't get it.

You for one

Big_Bad_World

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

iainment said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Or against. Maybe a fair number of them just don't know.
What a day for Ireland. The whole society there is undergoing a shift that is absolutely amazing.

I agree wholeheartedly. The same, fair minded, balanced logic doesn't seem to apply across the referenda spectrum.

Some people don't get it.

You for one

My dad's bigger than your dad.

Did you phone an Irish work colleague/secretary to back up your opinion on this one?

ShootersHillGuru

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

iainment said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Or against. Maybe a fair number of them just don't know.
What a day for Ireland. The whole society there is undergoing a shift that is absolutely amazing.

I agree wholeheartedly. The same, fair minded, balanced logic doesn't seem to apply across the referenda spectrum.

Some people don't get it.

You for one

My dad's bigger than your dad.

Did you phone an Irish work colleague/secretary to back up your opinion on this one?

I’m Irish

Big_Bad_World

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

iainment said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Or against. Maybe a fair number of them just don't know.
What a day for Ireland. The whole society there is undergoing a shift that is absolutely amazing.

I agree wholeheartedly. The same, fair minded, balanced logic doesn't seem to apply across the referenda spectrum.

Some people don't get it.

You for one

My dad's bigger than your dad.

Did you phone an Irish work colleague/secretary to back up your opinion on this one?

I’m Irish

Most of us can make that claim.

seth plum

A lot of people took the trouble to return home to Ireland to participate.

The issue is not a simple one.

As a man I wouldn't have to have 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and the hormonal and physical impact pregnancy causes. So I may be entitled to an opinion but not have a say if you follow me.

The moral and philosophical questions are complicated and all points of view deserve respect, but we are in a debate that brings societal and personal considerations into play simultaneously.

Consensual shagging is a human right as Nick Hornby reminded us.

I have one conundrum though.

If two people get it on and the lady gets pregnant, if the lady wants a termination but the bloke wants to keep the child, offers to be sole carer and take full responsibility for finance and upbringing, his wish is overridden by the lady. However if the lady wants to keep the child and he wishes for her to have a termination, she can exclude him from the life of the child yet demand financial support for the next 18 years.

Blokes need to be careful what they do with their dicks, especially as that is the place their brain resides most of the time.

Karim_myBagheri

seth plum said:

A lot of people took the trouble to return home to Ireland to participate.

The issue is not a simple one.

As a man I wouldn't have to have 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and the hormonal and physical impact pregnancy causes. So I may be entitled to an opinion but not have a say if you follow me.

The moral and philosophical questions are complicated and all points of view deserve respect, but we are in a debate that brings societal and personal considerations into play simultaneously.

Consensual shagging is a human right as Nick Hornby reminded us.

I have one conundrum though.

If two people get it on and the lady gets pregnant, if the lady wants a termination but the bloke wants to keep the child, offers to be sole carer and take full responsibility for finance and upbringing, his wish is overridden by the lady. However if the lady wants to keep the child and he wishes for her to have a termination, she can exclude him from the life of the child yet demand financial support for the next 18 years.

Blokes need to be careful what they do with their dicks, especially as that is the place their brain resides most of the time.

yep that's been my issue with it. very one sided especially in this day of supposed equality.

ShootersHillGuru

Karim_myBagheri said:

seth plum said:

A lot of people took the trouble to return home to Ireland to participate.

The issue is not a simple one.

As a man I wouldn't have to have 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and the hormonal and physical impact pregnancy causes. So I may be entitled to an opinion but not have a say if you follow me.

The moral and philosophical questions are complicated and all points of view deserve respect, but we are in a debate that brings societal and personal considerations into play simultaneously.

Consensual shagging is a human right as Nick Hornby reminded us.

I have one conundrum though.

If two people get it on and the lady gets pregnant, if the lady wants a termination but the bloke wants to keep the child, offers to be sole carer and take full responsibility for finance and upbringing, his wish is overridden by the lady. However if the lady wants to keep the child and he wishes for her to have a termination, she can exclude him from the life of the child yet demand financial support for the next 18 years.

Blokes need to be careful what they do with their dicks, especially as that is the place their brain resides most of the time.

yep that's been my issue with it. very one sided especially in this day of supposed equality.

And the woman is right in all ways.

ShootersHillGuru

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

iainment said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Or against. Maybe a fair number of them just don't know.
What a day for Ireland. The whole society there is undergoing a shift that is absolutely amazing.

I agree wholeheartedly. The same, fair minded, balanced logic doesn't seem to apply across the referenda spectrum.

Some people don't get it.

You for one

My dad's bigger than your dad.

Did you phone an Irish work colleague/secretary to back up your opinion on this one?

I’m Irish

Most of us can make that claim.

No they can’t. You need to stop and think before you post nonsense with such authority.

Big_Bad_World

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

iainment said:

Big_Bad_World said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

This will be the largest by percentage turnout of any vote in Ireland’s history.

I get that, but that still doesn't answer the question posed. If the turnout is, say, 75% then there's still 25% of the eligible vote that didn't bother and, using other results as a yardstick, would mean that they didn't vote in favour.

Or against. Maybe a fair number of them just don't know.
What a day for Ireland. The whole society there is undergoing a shift that is absolutely amazing.

I agree wholeheartedly. The same, fair minded, balanced logic doesn't seem to apply across the referenda spectrum.

Some people don't get it.

You for one

My dad's bigger than your dad.

Did you phone an Irish work colleague/secretary to back up your opinion on this one?

I’m Irish

Most of us can make that claim.

No they can’t. You need to stop and think before you post nonsense with such authority.

You need to stop telling people what they need to do, with such authority.

Stu_of_Kunming

If there's one thread we really should keep the brexit bollocks off, it must be this one.

Chippycafc

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

I am sure one particular poster has already worked that out.

Chizz

Well done to Ireland on running a hard-fought, intelligent referendum, on engaging voters across the country and establishing a clear, fair decision.

It's a delicate balance, of course, between the rights, demands and aspirations of thousands of women in the most unimaginably difficult, depressing and constraining situation on the one hand, and Paulie feeling a bit hurt on the other.

From someone who is disqualified from having a relevant opinion on two counts (I'm not Irish and I'm not female), I think they made the right decision.

Chizz

Big_Bad_World said:

Is anyone else looking forward to seeing what the voter turnout percentage is so we can all debate just how representative the vote actually is and whether or not those that didn't vote should have their non vote fall on the yes or no side?

No

ShootersHillGuru

Chizz said:

Well done to Ireland on running a hard-fought, intelligent referendum, on engaging voters across the country and establishing a clear, fair decision.

It's a delicate balance, of course, between the rights, demands and aspirations of thousands of women in the most unimaginably difficult, depressing and constraining situation on the one hand, and Paulie feeling a bit hurt on the other.

From someone who is disqualified from having a relevant opinion on two counts (I'm not Irish and I'm not female), I think they made the right decision.

Good post.

The thing is. Nothing in this change to the eight amendment will make those that don’t want to have a termination do so. It merely gives individuals the right to make important decisions about their OWN body. The right of choice.

Not sure how anyone can consider this wrong.