When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
Let's get one thing straight here, all I would ever want for the victims involved is the justice they deserve, so please don't play games and twist what I'm saying
But Robinson was actively endangering that by potentially causing a mistrial... That's the point. No one is saying what the criminals did is right or justified or should be hidden up but Robinson has not contributed to "justice" in any way.
Read my previous posts mate, I've covered all that before.
I think the anger from some at the way Robinson has been treated (even though we all know he is technically bang to rights) is because a lot of us have known these crimes were being committed for years. We’ve known what goes on in towns like Luton and Rochdale for years and that because people like him (and that amazing social worker) have had the balls to put their head above the sand and say it how it is and expose the reality, finally more people are beginning to understand and acknowledge there is a problem.
He isn’t a Johnny come lately to these issues for god sake. He’s grown up amongst it and lived it and whilst people like myself will happily try and spread the word on sites like this (and get the usual accusations in doing so), he has gone further, risking his life in doing so, being attacked in doing so and being prepared to go to prison for doing so.
Maybe he’s dropped a bollock with this one (risking the case) but in my opinion he’s done a lot of good in what he exposes for having the guts to state some uncomfortable truths.
Give me one Tommy Robinson over the 100’s of officials who have turned a blind eye to these horrific crimes over the years in the name of diversity, community relations and such bollocks.
It should never have got to the point where Tommy Robinson was needed, but it did and here we are.
I think the anger from some at the way Robinson has been treated (even though we all know he is technically bang to rights) is because a lot of us have known these crimes were being committed for years. We’ve known what goes on in towns like Luton and Rochdale for years and that because people like him (and that amazing social worker) have had the balls to put their head above the sand and say it how it is and expose the reality, finally more people are beginning to understand and acknowledge there is a problem.
He isn’t a Johnny come lately to these issues for god sake. He’s grown up amongst it and lived it and whilst people like myself will happily try and spread the word on sites like this (and get the usual accusations in doing so), he has gone further, risking his life in doing so, being attacked in doing so and being prepared to go to prison for doing so.
Maybe he’s dropped a bollock with this one (risking the case) but in my opinion he’s done a lot of good in what he exposes for having the guts to state some uncomfortable truths.
Give me one Tommy Robinson over the 100’s of officials who have turned a blind eye to these horrific crimes over the years in the name of diversity, community relations and such bollocks.
It should never have got to the point where Tommy Robinson was needed, but it did and here we are.
Excellent post.
The ironic thing is that we have people with no lived experience judging someone (as much of a bellend as he may be) with that experience. Other threads have seen people telling others that their opinion is less valid, or doesn't count, than those with the lived experience Top Trump card.
@cafcfan I'm actually flabbergasted that you consider a 90 minute documentary and a dramatization to be news coverage
You didn't specify news coverage. You just said coverage. What extra criteria do you want to add next? First five minutes of 10 o'clock news? Must have Huw Edwards sleeping rough outside the Court? Fiona Bruce undercover as a minicab driver....
In any event, my recollection - and it is only my recollection - is that there has actually been fairly extensive news coverage of these nasty events: "Rochdale" is still rumbling on.
For you to liken the drama to Coronation Street is, frankly, ghastly. It was highly researched, superbly crafted and essential viewing. (You didn't watch it did you? Not enough fishing in it I expect.) It used the chief prosecutor, lead police investigator and other professionals as consultants, reached a big audience and prompted a large increase in helpline calls from other victims.
I'm with @Algarveaddick on this one. Stuff such as Three Girls reaches a far bigger audience and has a much greater impact than any number of staid news items. (As is evidenced by the fact that you don't seem to remember any of them.)
It's semantics, but by "coverage" I meant this story hasn't featured on the news in the same way the Yew Tree trials were, with reporters outside the courts as these people were sentenced and with more on the investigations etc., why is that?
Strange also, how a BBC reporter could get inside info from a police PR lady and have helicopters at the scene as Cliff Richards house was turned over, but he can't get down the court house to report on the convictions of "grooming gangs".
If however, you are correct and the drama encouraged someone to come forward than fair play to it and it was worth while, but it still doesn't answer the above imo
Oh come on, yew tree was always going to get more coverage, its famous people, who millions loved and admired. Plus the court cases where never linked, each standing on its own with separate witnesses, evidence, victims and defendants. Add to that the police were keen to get it out there as after the length of time there was never going to be much if any physical evidence, so they were desperate for as many witnesses with corroborating testimonies as possible.
The individual crimes may have been superficially similar, but the cases were completely different.
Brings me back to a point raised earlier claiming if groups of white people were abusing kids it wouldn't get covered up. Well yew tree is uncovering a 30+ year cover up of white sex crimes, by celebrities, politicians, the rich and the powerful, that was covered up that whole time. Then you've got the catholic church covering up abuse for decades. And people on here a claiming a cover up because things haven't hit the front page daily during a long a complicated court case.
Oh come on, yew tree was always going to get more coverage, its famous people, who millions loved and admired. Plus the court cases where never linked, each standing on its own with separate witnesses, evidence, victims and defendants. Add to that the police were keen to get it out there as after the length of time there was never going to be much if any physical evidence, so they were desperate for as many witnesses with corroborating testimonies as possible.
The individual crimes may have been superficially similar, but the cases were completely different.
Brings me back to a point raised earlier claiming if groups of white people were abusing kids it wouldn't get covered up. Well yew tree is uncovering a 30+ year cover up of white sex crimes, by celebrities, politicians, the rich and the powerful, that was covered up that whole time. Then you've got the cathedral church covering up abuse for decades. And people on here a claiming a cover up because things haven't hit the front page daily during a long a complicated court case.
1500 girls gang raped and abused and it was covered up, that should be a bigger story than Rolph Harris and Stuart Hall imo
Oh come on, yew tree was always going to get more coverage, its famous people, who millions loved and admired. Plus the court cases where never linked, each standing on its own with separate witnesses, evidence, victims and defendants. Add to that the police were keen to get it out there as after the length of time there was never going to be much if any physical evidence, so they were desperate for as many witnesses with corroborating testimonies as possible.
The individual crimes may have been superficially similar, but the cases were completely different.
Brings me back to a point raised earlier claiming if groups of white people were abusing kids it wouldn't get covered up. Well yew tree is uncovering a 30+ year cover up of white sex crimes, by celebrities, politicians, the rich and the powerful, that was covered up that whole time. Then you've got the cathedral church covering up abuse for decades. And people on here a claiming a cover up because things haven't hit the front page daily during a long a complicated court case.
1500 girls gang raped and abused and it was covered up, that should be a bigger story than Rolph Harris and Stuart Hall imo
But it wasn't covered up, was it, it was in every paper and news program in the country, there were numerous arrests and court cases. You're performing the same mental gymnastics as TR, claiming there's a cover up when the case is actually in court.
Extremely clever to choose a subject where you literally cannot argue against the crime. And if you offer any dissenting view against what he's doing, you're instantly labelled a paedo or paedo sympathiser in a ludicrous strawman argument. He's a fucking louse. As much of a shitstain on the pants of humanity as the filthy turds involved in grooming.
If the past few pages don't highlight this perfectly, I don't know what does.
"He's not shouting loudly enough about how much he hates paedos. He must like paedos!"
Oh come on, yew tree was always going to get more coverage, its famous people, who millions loved and admired. Plus the court cases where never linked, each standing on its own with separate witnesses, evidence, victims and defendants. Add to that the police were keen to get it out there as after the length of time there was never going to be much if any physical evidence, so they were desperate for as many witnesses with corroborating testimonies as possible.
The individual crimes may have been superficially similar, but the cases were completely different.
Brings me back to a point raised earlier claiming if groups of white people were abusing kids it wouldn't get covered up. Well yew tree is uncovering a 30+ year cover up of white sex crimes, by celebrities, politicians, the rich and the powerful, that was covered up that whole time. Then you've got the cathedral church covering up abuse for decades. And people on here a claiming a cover up because things haven't hit the front page daily during a long a complicated court case.
1500 girls gang raped and abused and it was covered up, that should be a bigger story than Rolph Harris and Stuart Hall imo
But it wasn't covered up, was it, it was in every paper and news program in the country, there were numerous arrests and court cases. You're performing the same mental gymnastics as TR, claiming there's a cover up when the case is actually in court.
By that logic none of the operation Yew Tree cases were covered up, you're the only one performing the gymabtics here I'm afraid.
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
But you referring to Tommy Robinson as 'the problem' and not the actual perpetrators - is that you using this awful situation to push your own personal agenda by any chance?
That is a spectacular twisting of words there, well done.
Thanks but;
The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda
He is a problem. Is he a problem in what is happening to the poor girls being raped? No, but then he is not a solution to that problem either. I could have worded that post better but I think most people would not think I was suggesting Stephen is a problem in regards to these girls being raped.
That's better, a problem, that's not what you originally posted though, is it, first, you said he was the problem, a huge difference.
Oh come on, yew tree was always going to get more coverage, its famous people, who millions loved and admired. Plus the court cases where never linked, each standing on its own with separate witnesses, evidence, victims and defendants. Add to that the police were keen to get it out there as after the length of time there was never going to be much if any physical evidence, so they were desperate for as many witnesses with corroborating testimonies as possible.
The individual crimes may have been superficially similar, but the cases were completely different.
Brings me back to a point raised earlier claiming if groups of white people were abusing kids it wouldn't get covered up. Well yew tree is uncovering a 30+ year cover up of white sex crimes, by celebrities, politicians, the rich and the powerful, that was covered up that whole time. Then you've got the cathedral church covering up abuse for decades. And people on here a claiming a cover up because things haven't hit the front page daily during a long a complicated court case.
1500 girls gang raped and abused and it was covered up, that should be a bigger story than Rolph Harris and Stuart Hall imo
But it wasn't covered up, was it, it was in every paper and news program in the country, there were numerous arrests and court cases. You're performing the same mental gymnastics as TR, claiming there's a cover up when the case is actually in court.
By that logic none of the operation Yew Tree cases were covered up, you're the only one performing the gymabtics here I'm afraid.
What? The Rotherham arrests all took place whilst the offenses were happening, whilst the yew tree arrests were 30-40 years after the event.
Oh come on, yew tree was always going to get more coverage, its famous people, who millions loved and admired. Plus the court cases where never linked, each standing on its own with separate witnesses, evidence, victims and defendants. Add to that the police were keen to get it out there as after the length of time there was never going to be much if any physical evidence, so they were desperate for as many witnesses with corroborating testimonies as possible.
The individual crimes may have been superficially similar, but the cases were completely different.
Brings me back to a point raised earlier claiming if groups of white people were abusing kids it wouldn't get covered up. Well yew tree is uncovering a 30+ year cover up of white sex crimes, by celebrities, politicians, the rich and the powerful, that was covered up that whole time. Then you've got the cathedral church covering up abuse for decades. And people on here a claiming a cover up because things haven't hit the front page daily during a long a complicated court case.
1500 girls gang raped and abused and it was covered up, that should be a bigger story than Rolph Harris and Stuart Hall imo
But it wasn't covered up, was it, it was in every paper and news program in the country, there were numerous arrests and court cases. You're performing the same mental gymnastics as TR, claiming there's a cover up when the case is actually in court.
By that logic none of the operation Yew Tree cases were covered up, you're the only one performing the gymabtics here I'm afraid.
What? The Rotherham arrests all took place whilst the offenses were happening, whilst the yew tree arrests were 30-40 years after the event.
It had been going on for many, many years. Read some of the reports that show how long it was covered up for and why.
Not as long as the Yew tree offences, but still are covered up. Both horrific examples of what people in perceived positions of power can get away with.
The Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal has been described as the "biggest child protection scandal in UK history".[16] From the late 1980s until the 2010s, organised child sexual abuse continued almost unchallenged by legal authorities[17] in the northern English town of Rotherham, South Yorkshire.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
Okay - show me some of the cases that have not been reported on. I have edited that post to say "some" stories.
Isn't this like trying to prove a negative?
Here's the exchange that prompted it:
Howells: But when all is said and done why do the press fail to report on convictions given to these animals?
I'm not talking about the few exceptions that google throws up, but there are supposedly thousands of victims within this country, why is it that a small proportion are reported on by the press?
Me: Suppose there are not?
H: Ok, wrong choice of word. There are. Now tell me, why is it ok for the MSM to report only on a fraction of convictions?
Me: If it's true, and it is a very big if, where do you get the information from then? How can I be party to these secrets?
H: Erm, national crime agency perhaps?
Me: Would appreciate a link to the information please?
We both then went on to cloud the issue somewhat, but there has been no link and no shred of evidence to support that claim. All I ask for is something to prove that the plight of thousands of victims is not reported in the press. To make that claim you must have some proof that has happened, or otherwise it is just as valid as me saying I once ran the 100m faster than Bolt, but no-one was there to see me...
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
But you referring to Tommy Robinson as 'the problem' and not the actual perpetrators - is that you using this awful situation to push your own personal agenda by any chance?
That is a spectacular twisting of words there, well done.
Thanks but;
The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda
He is a problem. Is he a problem in what is happening to the poor girls being raped? No, but then he is not a solution to that problem either. I could have worded that post better but I think most people would not think I was suggesting Stephen is a problem in regards to these girls being raped.
That's better, a problem, that's not what you originally posted though, is it, first, you said he was the problem, a huge difference.
You're completely misreading what I originally posted but then again it's not like you to try and dig me out on something is it?
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
What does he want? A medal?
Would you say that to Doreen Lawrence?
Think pigs will fly before Doreen Lawrence and SYL find any common ground. One is an incredibly strong and impressive woman and the other is a hate filled bigot.
No, he has not directly asked for a medal but I'm no longer sure what his supporters/defenders on here are asking for. He broke the law, he admitted guilt, he's in prison. End of SYL's story as far as we're concerned.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
What does he want? A medal?
Would you say that to Doreen Lawrence?
Think pigs will fly before Doreen Lawrence and SYL find any common ground. One is an incredibly strong and impressive woman and the other is a hate filled bigot.
No, he has not directly asked for a medal but I'm no longer sure what his supporters/defenders on here are asking for. He broke the law, he admitted guilt, he's in prison. End of SYL's story as far as we're concerned.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
What does he want? A medal?
Would you say that to Doreen Lawrence?
Think pigs will fly before Doreen Lawrence and SYL find any common ground. One is an incredibly strong and impressive woman and the other is a hate filled bigot.
No, he has not directly asked for a medal but I'm no longer sure what his supporters/defenders on here are asking for. He broke the law, he admitted guilt, he's in prison. End of SYL's story as far as we're concerned.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
I would like to think people would speak to the police about these crimes and not post them on a forum as investigations are on going...
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
I would like to think people would speak to the police about these crimes and not post them on a forum as investigations are on going...
You'd also like to think that the police would take the reporting of these crimes seriously and wouldn't run away from them for the best part of 10 years for fear of being incorrectly labelled as racist.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
I would like to think people would speak to the police about these crimes and not post them on a forum as investigations are on going...
I think you'll find they did and a lot of good that done.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.
I would like to think people would speak to the police about these crimes and not post them on a forum as investigations are on going...
You'd also like to think that the police would take the reporting of these crimes seriously and wouldn't run away from them for the best part of 10 years for fear of being incorrectly labelled as racist.
Funny old world, eh?
Similar to celebrities (yewtree) which went on for years and the pedophile rings in Westminster?
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He isn’t a Johnny come lately to these issues for god sake. He’s grown up amongst it and lived it and whilst people like myself will happily try and spread the word on sites like this (and get the usual accusations in doing so), he has gone further, risking his life in doing so, being attacked in doing so and being prepared to go to prison for doing so.
Maybe he’s dropped a bollock with this one (risking the case) but in my opinion he’s done a lot of good in what he exposes for having the guts to state some uncomfortable truths.
Give me one Tommy Robinson over the 100’s of officials who have turned a blind eye to these horrific crimes over the years in the name of diversity, community relations and such bollocks.
It should never have got to the point where Tommy Robinson was needed, but it did and here we are.
The ironic thing is that we have people with no lived experience judging someone (as much of a bellend as he may be) with that experience. Other threads have seen people telling others that their opinion is less valid, or doesn't count, than those with the lived experience Top Trump card.
Strange also, how a BBC reporter could get inside info from a police PR lady and have helicopters at the scene as Cliff Richards house was turned over, but he can't get down the court house to report on the convictions of "grooming gangs".
If however, you are correct and the drama encouraged someone to come forward than fair play to it and it was worth while, but it still doesn't answer the above imo
The individual crimes may have been superficially similar, but the cases were completely different.
Brings me back to a point raised earlier claiming if groups of white people were abusing kids it wouldn't get covered up. Well yew tree is uncovering a 30+ year cover up of white sex crimes, by celebrities, politicians, the rich and the powerful, that was covered up that whole time. Then you've got the catholic church covering up abuse for decades. And people on here a claiming a cover up because things haven't hit the front page daily during a long a complicated court case.
"He's not shouting loudly enough about how much he hates paedos. He must like paedos!"
About time Brasseye was repeated isn't it?
Not as long as the Yew tree offences, but still are covered up. Both horrific examples of what people in perceived positions of power can get away with.
The Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal has been described as the "biggest child protection scandal in UK history".[16] From the late 1980s until the 2010s, organised child sexual abuse continued almost unchallenged by legal authorities[17] in the northern English town of Rotherham, South Yorkshire.
You're either blissful ignorant as to what happened in these cases, or have an ulterior motive, I really hope it's the former.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal#Weir_report_(2001)
Here's the exchange that prompted it:
Howells: But when all is said and done why do the press fail to report on convictions given to these animals?
I'm not talking about the few exceptions that google throws up, but there are supposedly thousands of victims within this country, why is it that a small proportion are reported on by the press?
Me: Suppose there are not?
H: Ok, wrong choice of word.
There are.
Now tell me, why is it ok for the MSM to report only on a fraction of convictions?
Me: If it's true, and it is a very big if, where do you get the information from then? How can I be party to these secrets?
H: Erm, national crime agency perhaps?
Me: Would appreciate a link to the information please?
We both then went on to cloud the issue somewhat, but there has been no link and no shred of evidence to support that claim. All I ask for is something to prove that the plight of thousands of victims is not reported in the press. To make that claim you must have some proof that has happened, or otherwise it is just as valid as me saying I once ran the 100m faster than Bolt, but no-one was there to see me...
No, he has not directly asked for a medal but I'm no longer sure what his supporters/defenders on here are asking for. He broke the law, he admitted guilt, he's in prison. End of SYL's story as far as we're concerned.
Funny old world, eh?
I don't find it funny.