Thing is, what do people like you and Tommy Robinson hope to achieve through all this? We're all pals, you can be honest.
Before these grooming gangs were exposed, the authorities were in complete denial and most folk were clueless to what was going on, while people at the forefront of trying to get justice for the victims were laughed at and called things like, err "racists and facists" (maybe by you, or maybe not). Now it appears there is a general acceptance that there is a problem in SOME parts of SOME communities and prosecutions are happening, but there is little to no coverage on mainstream media whether it before, during or after the trials have taken place. While one couldn't turn the Tele or radio on during any of the Yew Tree trials without it being mentioned (and rightly so).
I spose people like TR would like everyone to acknowledge there was (is) a problem and recognise that they wrong to vilify those who have campaigned for justice for all these years, even after the authorities turning a blind eye.
OK, fine. If all of this is about the quicker targeting of abuse in ghettoised communities then I say good. If this is about protecting the young I say good. If this is about genuine attempts to integrate the Islamic community into mainstream society I say good.
The only one of these things the media can help with is the last one (the first two are matters for police or social services and the relevant communities). So why don't they?
Thing is, what do people like you and Tommy Robinson hope to achieve through all this? We're all pals, you can be honest.
Before these grooming gangs were exposed, the authorities were in complete denial and most folk were clueless to what was going on, while people at the forefront of trying to get justice for the victims were laughed at and called things like, err "racists and facists" (maybe by you, or maybe not). Now it appears there is a general acceptance that there is a problem in SOME parts of SOME communities and prosecutions are happening, but there is little to no coverage on mainstream media whether it before, during or after the trials have taken place. While one couldn't turn the Tele or radio on during any of the Yew Tree trials without it being mentioned (and rightly so).
I spose people like TR would like everyone to acknowledge there was (is) a problem and recognise that they wrong to vilify those who have campaigned for justice for all these years, even after the authorities turning a blind eye.
What? Apart from stuff like the BBC 1 one and half hour documentary entitled The Betrayed Girls or the multi-award winning three-part BBC docu-drama called Three Girls which got a TV audience circa 8mn for all three parts? That sort of no coverage you mean? Or didn't they show those on TF1?
Yeah, imo, people would like honest reporting on the news, rather than Coronation Street type dramatizations
Leave it out mate - most of them would rather read about Ant n Dec than real life at the best of times, a docu-drama, billed as based on real life events will get it out there to a lot more people than News at Ten...
And I refer you to my post on page one too.
It's just not true that there is no coverage now. It was true in the past, no denying that, but it's all over now (as the Stones once sung).
based on = it happened, they were caught and are now in prison.
how does that let people know that there is currently a large gang of nonces, all out on bail, currently knocking about in their neighbourhood?
It doesn't. Is that what normally happens then?
people are saying there isn't enough coverage of these thing happening, you claimed "a docu-drama, billed as based on real life events will get it out there to a lot more people than News at Ten... " I'm saying I don't see that as coverage of these things happening but telling the story that these things happened, in the past.
Thing is, what do people like you and Tommy Robinson hope to achieve through all this? We're all pals, you can be honest.
Before these grooming gangs were exposed, the authorities were in complete denial and most folk were clueless to what was going on, while people at the forefront of trying to get justice for the victims were laughed at and called things like, err "racists and facists" (maybe by you, or maybe not). Now it appears there is a general acceptance that there is a problem in SOME parts of SOME communities and prosecutions are happening, but there is little to no coverage on mainstream media whether it before, during or after the trials have taken place. While one couldn't turn the Tele or radio on during any of the Yew Tree trials without it being mentioned (and rightly so).
I spose people like TR would like everyone to acknowledge there was (is) a problem and recognise that they wrong to vilify those who have campaigned for justice for all these years, even after the authorities turning a blind eye.
What? Apart from stuff like the BBC 1 one and half hour documentary entitled The Betrayed Girls or the multi-award winning three-part BBC docu-drama called Three Girls which got a TV audience circa 8mn for all three parts? That sort of no coverage you mean? Or didn't they show those on TF1?
Yeah, imo, people would like honest reporting on the news, rather than Coronation Street type dramatizations
Leave it out mate - most of them would rather read about Ant n Dec than real life at the best of times, a docu-drama, billed as based on real life events will get it out there to a lot more people than News at Ten...
And I refer you to my post on page one too.
It's just not true that there is no coverage now. It was true in the past, no denying that, but it's all over now (as the Stones once sung).
based on = it happened, they were caught and are now in prison.
how does that let people know that there is currently a large gang of nonces, all out on bail, currently knocking about in their neighbourhood?
It doesn't. Is that what normally happens then?
people are saying there isn't enough coverage of these thing happening, you claimed "a docu-drama, billed as based on real life events will get it out there to a lot more people than News at Ten... " I'm saying I don't see that as coverage of these things happening but telling the story that these things happened, in the past.
That's fair comment Dave. I think it is keeping it in the public eye, I think people are aware of what is going on. I find it highly unlikely that you could find anyone with an eye on current affairs in the UK who is not aware of this ongoing situation, but I may be wrong, we shall have to agree to differ.
I understand that the trial should never be jeopardized. But when all is said and done why do the press fail to report on convictions given to these animals?
I'm not talking about the few exceptions that google throws up, but there are supposedly thousands of victims within this country, why is it that a small proportion are reported on by the press?
Suppose there are not?
Ok, wrong choice of word. There are. Now tell me, why is it ok for the MSM to report only on a fraction of convictions?
It's up to the media what they chose to report or otherwise, unless there are reporting restrictions put in place by the courts to ensure the judicial process is upheld.
Exactly, perhaps they should choose to report on something as serious as this more frequently?.
Like in this case and like what he chose to ignore on top of his already suspended sentence.
I purposefully wrote 'when all is said and done' so where does suspended sentence come into it?
He knew exactly this purpose of these reporting restrictions, that he had already been held to be in contempt on a previous occasion...yet went ahead anyway. How people are defending his actions is beyond me tbh.
Absolutely, yet I haven't defended his actions, have I? and it's a damn shame his young family have been let down by him because of his actions, but again, how does that come into it? I am talking about the MSM not Robinson
You're clearly also trying to suggest there's an agenda at play within the wider,
Yes, clearly.
legitimate media but the truth is our papers would have nothing but reports of prosecutions if every case was covered. Are you including the local press in your definition of MSM
No, becuase I am talking about the mainstream which reaches millions as opposed to the ayrshire post
btw because I'm pretty sure (reporting restrictions aside) these cases would get covered locally. They certainly would anywhere I've ever lived.
Just to make it crystal clear. You are not suggesting that the government/judiciary is "covering up" stories, just that MSM is not reporting it?
Quite clearly not. Go and take a lie down, eh?
So you are saying that the newspapers that brought us headlines like these, have suddenly decided not to report on factual events that they could legitimately use to condemn their usual targets? Unique.
Yes, and what does that shoddy collage of rags have to do with anything?
I am clearly saying that the MSM should report on sentencing far more frequently to deter not only the animals committing these acts but also the rouge reporters like TR and rebel media from sticking their oar in and turning up at courts up and down the country.
But the fact is stunts like this will only increase TR's audience not just in Great Britain but across the world. If you have a problem with with someone calling for more balanced exposure from the nations press instead of TR and his camera phone then that's your problem.
You were the one who mentioned main stream media. They are the main stream media, are they not, so kind of relevant to your claim? I think it's a fair question to ask, given their track record. Can I ask you again for the link to the National Crime Agency where you get your information from please?
The two collages are supposed to underline the MSM being 'islamophobic' but how on earth is that relevant to my point? Where does it show any of them papers reporting prosecutions of organised gangs working together to commit this evil on such a vast scale?
The two articles (from the main stream media) do not link me to a site where I can find information on cases that have been tried, convicted and not been reported in the main stream media. You suggested that I get the information that you have from the NCA. I asked you where, you cannot show me.
Article 2 says the investigation could take "years", so it's ongoing.
My post on page one, which as I have already said took me two minutes to find, lead to national news outlets reporting on cases in Rotherham, Leeds, Newcastle, Burton and Huddersfield. Add to that the one in Kent that got Y-L in trouble in the first place, it's a fair start. If you can show me other places where trials have been held and then not reported on, I am willing to take a look. So far you have not been able to do so.
You have not produced one shred of evidence for your claim mate, nothing.
Howells is on the ropes here......I think you should give him a dead leg as well.
A Dead leg? in a boxing ring? That's cheap, but I wouldn't expect anything else from you @Greenie .
I understand that the trial should never be jeopardized. But when all is said and done why do the press fail to report on convictions given to these animals?
I'm not talking about the few exceptions that google throws up, but there are supposedly thousands of victims within this country, why is it that a small proportion are reported on by the press?
Suppose there are not?
Ok, wrong choice of word. There are. Now tell me, why is it ok for the MSM to report only on a fraction of convictions?
It's up to the media what they chose to report or otherwise, unless there are reporting restrictions put in place by the courts to ensure the judicial process is upheld.
Exactly, perhaps they should choose to report on something as serious as this more frequently?.
Like in this case and like what he chose to ignore on top of his already suspended sentence.
I purposefully wrote 'when all is said and done' so where does suspended sentence come into it?
He knew exactly this purpose of these reporting restrictions, that he had already been held to be in contempt on a previous occasion...yet went ahead anyway. How people are defending his actions is beyond me tbh.
Absolutely, yet I haven't defended his actions, have I? and it's a damn shame his young family have been let down by him because of his actions, but again, how does that come into it? I am talking about the MSM not Robinson
You're clearly also trying to suggest there's an agenda at play within the wider,
Yes, clearly.
legitimate media but the truth is our papers would have nothing but reports of prosecutions if every case was covered. Are you including the local press in your definition of MSM
No, becuase I am talking about the mainstream which reaches millions as opposed to the ayrshire post
btw because I'm pretty sure (reporting restrictions aside) these cases would get covered locally. They certainly would anywhere I've ever lived.
Just to make it crystal clear. You are not suggesting that the government/judiciary is "covering up" stories, just that MSM is not reporting it?
Quite clearly not. Go and take a lie down, eh?
So you are saying that the newspapers that brought us headlines like these, have suddenly decided not to report on factual events that they could legitimately use to condemn their usual targets? Unique.
Yes, and what does that shoddy collage of rags have to do with anything?
I am clearly saying that the MSM should report on sentencing far more frequently to deter not only the animals committing these acts but also the rouge reporters like TR and rebel media from sticking their oar in and turning up at courts up and down the country.
But the fact is stunts like this will only increase TR's audience not just in Great Britain but across the world. If you have a problem with with someone calling for more balanced exposure from the nations press instead of TR and his camera phone then that's your problem.
You were the one who mentioned main stream media. They are the main stream media, are they not, so kind of relevant to your claim? I think it's a fair question to ask, given their track record. Can I ask you again for the link to the National Crime Agency where you get your information from please?
The two collages are supposed to underline the MSM being 'islamophobic' but how on earth is that relevant to my point? Where does it show any of them papers reporting prosecutions of organised gangs working together to commit this evil on such a vast scale?
The two articles (from the main stream media) do not link me to a site where I can find information on cases that have been tried, convicted and not been reported in the main stream media. You suggested that I get the information that you have from the NCA. I asked you where, you cannot show me.
Article 2 says the investigation could take "years", so it's ongoing.
My post on page one, which as I have already said took me two minutes to find, lead to national news outlets reporting on cases in Rotherham, Leeds, Newcastle, Burton and Huddersfield. Add to that the one in Kent that got Y-L in trouble in the first place, it's a fair start. If you can show me other places where trials have been held and then not reported on, I am willing to take a look. So far you have not been able to do so.
You have not produced one shred of evidence for your claim mate, nothing.
Howells is on the ropes here......I think you should give him a dead leg as well.
A Dead leg? in a boxing ring? That's cheap, but I wouldn't expect anything else from you @Greenie .
Thanks. But who mentioned boxing?
You used the expression "on the ropes", mate. A "subject avoidance window"...
I understand that the trial should never be jeopardized. But when all is said and done why do the press fail to report on convictions given to these animals?
I'm not talking about the few exceptions that google throws up, but there are supposedly thousands of victims within this country, why is it that a small proportion are reported on by the press?
Suppose there are not?
Ok, wrong choice of word. There are. Now tell me, why is it ok for the MSM to report only on a fraction of convictions?
It's up to the media what they chose to report or otherwise, unless there are reporting restrictions put in place by the courts to ensure the judicial process is upheld.
Exactly, perhaps they should choose to report on something as serious as this more frequently?.
Like in this case and like what he chose to ignore on top of his already suspended sentence.
I purposefully wrote 'when all is said and done' so where does suspended sentence come into it?
He knew exactly this purpose of these reporting restrictions, that he had already been held to be in contempt on a previous occasion...yet went ahead anyway. How people are defending his actions is beyond me tbh.
Absolutely, yet I haven't defended his actions, have I? and it's a damn shame his young family have been let down by him because of his actions, but again, how does that come into it? I am talking about the MSM not Robinson
You're clearly also trying to suggest there's an agenda at play within the wider,
Yes, clearly.
legitimate media but the truth is our papers would have nothing but reports of prosecutions if every case was covered. Are you including the local press in your definition of MSM
No, becuase I am talking about the mainstream which reaches millions as opposed to the ayrshire post
btw because I'm pretty sure (reporting restrictions aside) these cases would get covered locally. They certainly would anywhere I've ever lived.
Just to make it crystal clear. You are not suggesting that the government/judiciary is "covering up" stories, just that MSM is not reporting it?
Quite clearly not. Go and take a lie down, eh?
So you are saying that the newspapers that brought us headlines like these, have suddenly decided not to report on factual events that they could legitimately use to condemn their usual targets? Unique.
Yes, and what does that shoddy collage of rags have to do with anything?
I am clearly saying that the MSM should report on sentencing far more frequently to deter not only the animals committing these acts but also the rouge reporters like TR and rebel media from sticking their oar in and turning up at courts up and down the country.
But the fact is stunts like this will only increase TR's audience not just in Great Britain but across the world. If you have a problem with with someone calling for more balanced exposure from the nations press instead of TR and his camera phone then that's your problem.
You were the one who mentioned main stream media. They are the main stream media, are they not, so kind of relevant to your claim? I think it's a fair question to ask, given their track record. Can I ask you again for the link to the National Crime Agency where you get your information from please?
The two collages are supposed to underline the MSM being 'islamophobic' but how on earth is that relevant to my point? Where does it show any of them papers reporting prosecutions of organised gangs working together to commit this evil on such a vast scale?
The two articles (from the main stream media) do not link me to a site where I can find information on cases that have been tried, convicted and not been reported in the main stream media. You suggested that I get the information that you have from the NCA. I asked you where, you cannot show me.
Article 2 says the investigation could take "years", so it's ongoing.
My post on page one, which as I have already said took me two minutes to find, lead to national news outlets reporting on cases in Rotherham, Leeds, Newcastle, Burton and Huddersfield. Add to that the one in Kent that got Y-L in trouble in the first place, it's a fair start. If you can show me other places where trials have been held and then not reported on, I am willing to take a look. So far you have not been able to do so.
You have not produced one shred of evidence for your claim mate, nothing.
Ok, 'mate'
For you to just render the facts within those two articles as insufficient, a bit like the way you failed to respond to the collage thing, is a cop out that simply suits your narrative. For someone who has exhausted so much time and energy on this thread this morning you are resorting to a surprisingly meagre tactic by just dismissing things you don't want to hear.
You even conceded yourself that investigations are ongoing, will you be big and brave enough to come back if the findings are published on the NCA official website? I somehow doubt you would, but still, enjoy your day
The collage thing was self explanatory I thought. You are claiming that main stream media are not covering stories about muslims up to no good. I was pointing out that they are normally more than happy to expose muslims up to no good (or not in some cases). So I am asking why, suddenly you think they are not doing so? I think it is because there is no more to report than they already have. I am asking you to prove me wrong. You have not done so.
I have not dismissed anything I don't want to hear, because, as yet you have not provided me with a shred of evidence to back up your claim that there are court cases involving muslim grooming gangs that have been concluded, that have not been reported in the MSM. Nothing.
I don't quite understand the comment about coming back if the findings are published on the NCA website? What findings?
I don't know if you are taking things out of context so frequently that you've confused yourself or perhaps you are just on a wind up. I fear, for both of us, that it is the former as I have had to constantly repeat things to you that you've failed to process in your head but I will bite once more , regardless. The comment in bold is clearly wrong. I opened by saying a fraction had been reported on, at no point did I state that MSM are failing to report on these cases. I stated point as the penitent media should be reporting to firstly, stop paranoia seeping in amongst those 'right wingers' thus leading to the likes of TR and other rouges going out and reporting. If there is coverage after the fact then it doesn't interfere with a case, and it doesn't encourage independent reports to jeopardize or antagonize.
I understand that the trial should never be jeopardized. But when all is said and done why do the press fail to report on convictions given to these animals?
I'm not talking about the few exceptions that google throws up, but there are supposedly thousands of victims within this country, why is it that a small proportion are reported on by the press?
Suppose there are not?
Ok, wrong choice of word. There are. Now tell me, why is it ok for the MSM to report only on a fraction of convictions?
It's up to the media what they chose to report or otherwise, unless there are reporting restrictions put in place by the courts to ensure the judicial process is upheld.
Exactly, perhaps they should choose to report on something as serious as this more frequently?.
Like in this case and like what he chose to ignore on top of his already suspended sentence.
I purposefully wrote 'when all is said and done' so where does suspended sentence come into it?
He knew exactly this purpose of these reporting restrictions, that he had already been held to be in contempt on a previous occasion...yet went ahead anyway. How people are defending his actions is beyond me tbh.
Absolutely, yet I haven't defended his actions, have I? and it's a damn shame his young family have been let down by him because of his actions, but again, how does that come into it? I am talking about the MSM not Robinson
You're clearly also trying to suggest there's an agenda at play within the wider,
Yes, clearly.
legitimate media but the truth is our papers would have nothing but reports of prosecutions if every case was covered. Are you including the local press in your definition of MSM
No, becuase I am talking about the mainstream which reaches millions as opposed to the ayrshire post
btw because I'm pretty sure (reporting restrictions aside) these cases would get covered locally. They certainly would anywhere I've ever lived.
Just to make it crystal clear. You are not suggesting that the government/judiciary is "covering up" stories, just that MSM is not reporting it?
Quite clearly not. Go and take a lie down, eh?
So you are saying that the newspapers that brought us headlines like these, have suddenly decided not to report on factual events that they could legitimately use to condemn their usual targets? Unique.
Yes, and what does that shoddy collage of rags have to do with anything?
I am clearly saying that the MSM should report on sentencing far more frequently to deter not only the animals committing these acts but also the rouge reporters like TR and rebel media from sticking their oar in and turning up at courts up and down the country.
But the fact is stunts like this will only increase TR's audience not just in Great Britain but across the world. If you have a problem with with someone calling for more balanced exposure from the nations press instead of TR and his camera phone then that's your problem.
You were the one who mentioned main stream media. They are the main stream media, are they not, so kind of relevant to your claim? I think it's a fair question to ask, given their track record. Can I ask you again for the link to the National Crime Agency where you get your information from please?
The two collages are supposed to underline the MSM being 'islamophobic' but how on earth is that relevant to my point? Where does it show any of them papers reporting prosecutions of organised gangs working together to commit this evil on such a vast scale?
The two articles (from the main stream media) do not link me to a site where I can find information on cases that have been tried, convicted and not been reported in the main stream media. You suggested that I get the information that you have from the NCA. I asked you where, you cannot show me.
Article 2 says the investigation could take "years", so it's ongoing.
My post on page one, which as I have already said took me two minutes to find, lead to national news outlets reporting on cases in Rotherham, Leeds, Newcastle, Burton and Huddersfield. Add to that the one in Kent that got Y-L in trouble in the first place, it's a fair start. If you can show me other places where trials have been held and then not reported on, I am willing to take a look. So far you have not been able to do so.
You have not produced one shred of evidence for your claim mate, nothing.
Howells is on the ropes here......I think you should give him a dead leg as well.
A Dead leg? in a boxing ring? That's cheap, but I wouldn't expect anything else from you @Greenie .
Thanks. But who mentioned boxing?
You said ropes, if not boxing then I can only assume you mean wrestling? Just promise me that you won't wear those shiny trunks that wrestlers like to wear, I don't think anyone needs to see that!
I understand that the trial should never be jeopardized. But when all is said and done why do the press fail to report on convictions given to these animals?
I'm not talking about the few exceptions that google throws up, but there are supposedly thousands of victims within this country, why is it that a small proportion are reported on by the press?
Suppose there are not?
Ok, wrong choice of word. There are. Now tell me, why is it ok for the MSM to report only on a fraction of convictions?
It's up to the media what they chose to report or otherwise, unless there are reporting restrictions put in place by the courts to ensure the judicial process is upheld.
Exactly, perhaps they should choose to report on something as serious as this more frequently?.
Like in this case and like what he chose to ignore on top of his already suspended sentence.
I purposefully wrote 'when all is said and done' so where does suspended sentence come into it?
He knew exactly this purpose of these reporting restrictions, that he had already been held to be in contempt on a previous occasion...yet went ahead anyway. How people are defending his actions is beyond me tbh.
Absolutely, yet I haven't defended his actions, have I? and it's a damn shame his young family have been let down by him because of his actions, but again, how does that come into it? I am talking about the MSM not Robinson
You're clearly also trying to suggest there's an agenda at play within the wider,
Yes, clearly.
legitimate media but the truth is our papers would have nothing but reports of prosecutions if every case was covered. Are you including the local press in your definition of MSM
No, becuase I am talking about the mainstream which reaches millions as opposed to the ayrshire post
btw because I'm pretty sure (reporting restrictions aside) these cases would get covered locally. They certainly would anywhere I've ever lived.
Just to make it crystal clear. You are not suggesting that the government/judiciary is "covering up" stories, just that MSM is not reporting it?
Quite clearly not. Go and take a lie down, eh?
So you are saying that the newspapers that brought us headlines like these, have suddenly decided not to report on factual events that they could legitimately use to condemn their usual targets? Unique.
Yes, and what does that shoddy collage of rags have to do with anything?
I am clearly saying that the MSM should report on sentencing far more frequently to deter not only the animals committing these acts but also the rouge reporters like TR and rebel media from sticking their oar in and turning up at courts up and down the country.
But the fact is stunts like this will only increase TR's audience not just in Great Britain but across the world. If you have a problem with with someone calling for more balanced exposure from the nations press instead of TR and his camera phone then that's your problem.
You were the one who mentioned main stream media. They are the main stream media, are they not, so kind of relevant to your claim? I think it's a fair question to ask, given their track record. Can I ask you again for the link to the National Crime Agency where you get your information from please?
The two collages are supposed to underline the MSM being 'islamophobic' but how on earth is that relevant to my point? Where does it show any of them papers reporting prosecutions of organised gangs working together to commit this evil on such a vast scale?
The two articles (from the main stream media) do not link me to a site where I can find information on cases that have been tried, convicted and not been reported in the main stream media. You suggested that I get the information that you have from the NCA. I asked you where, you cannot show me.
Article 2 says the investigation could take "years", so it's ongoing.
My post on page one, which as I have already said took me two minutes to find, lead to national news outlets reporting on cases in Rotherham, Leeds, Newcastle, Burton and Huddersfield. Add to that the one in Kent that got Y-L in trouble in the first place, it's a fair start. If you can show me other places where trials have been held and then not reported on, I am willing to take a look. So far you have not been able to do so.
You have not produced one shred of evidence for your claim mate, nothing.
Howells is on the ropes here......I think you should give him a dead leg as well.
A Dead leg? in a boxing ring? That's cheap, but I wouldn't expect anything else from you @Greenie .
Thanks. But who mentioned boxing?
You used the expression "on the ropes", mate. A "subject avoidance window"...
Indeed.
I was thinking back to those dead legs from school, shit, they hurt.
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
We are outraged. We are also outraged that TR put his own publicity in front of the possibility of a mistrial being called, I genuinely cant see how people don't understand that, Rob?
After this, reporting restrictions were put in place, and when it comes to trial jurors are advised under oath not to seek out anything like this that might prejudice their view of court proceedings. That's pretty standard procedure
TR was not exposing any secrets, there was no need for him to be there, he had been warned and has accepted that. If I was so incensed by it, I would not want to put anything in the way of justice being done. I don't see why anyone would?
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
Surely the problem of TR is very minor compared to the rape and torture of thousands of young girls, you almost make it seem like Robinson is worse.
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
Surely the problem of TR is very minor compared to the rape and torture of thousands of young girls, you almost make it seem like Robinson is worse.
I'm not making that comparison so please don't try and insinuate that I am. ALl I will say is that Stephen is a dangerous man, he has managed to brainwash a not insignificant number of people into believing his disgusting racist rhetoric. That imo is a very dangerous thing.
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
But you referring to Tommy Robinson as 'the problem' and not the actual perpetrators - is that you using this awful situation to push your own personal agenda by any chance?
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
But you referring to Tommy Robinson as 'the problem' and not the actual perpetrators - is that you using this awful situation to push your own personal agenda by any chance?
That is a spectacular twisting of words there, well done.
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
its all going round in circles now, one of the original questions being asked is if they were white would there be the media black out?
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
But you referring to Tommy Robinson as 'the problem' and not the actual perpetrators - is that you using this awful situation to push your own personal agenda by any chance?
That is a spectacular twisting of words there, well done.
Thanks but;
The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda
The thing is, you may despise him massively because you're so set in your own political leaning but to suggest he is the problem is a travesty.
if these fuckers weren't grooming kids - tr wouldn't have to be a parasite would he?
haven't got involved too much in this thread because it genuinely saddens me and some of the posters on here have something in common - a love for charlton athletic.
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
But you referring to Tommy Robinson as 'the problem' and not the actual perpetrators - is that you using this awful situation to push your own personal agenda by any chance?
That is a spectacular twisting of words there, well done.
Thanks but;
The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda
The thing is, you may despise him massively because you're so set in your own political leaning but to suggest he is the problem is a travesty.
He is a problem. Is he a problem in what is happening to the poor girls being raped? No, but then he is not a solution to that problem either. I could have worded that post better but I think most people would not think I was suggesting Stephen is a problem in regards to these girls being raped.
if these fuckers weren't grooming kids - tr wouldn't have to be a parasite would he?
haven't got involved too much in this thread because it genuinely saddens me and some of the posters on here have something in common - a love for charlton athletic.
He's a parasite in using this horrible situation to further his own agenda. If it wasn't this it would be something else he'd latch on to.
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
its all going round in circles now, one of the original questions being asked is if they were white would there be the media black out?
I'm sure if there were linked trials being held at the same time the same media blackout would occur to ensure one trial could not influence another
@cafcfan I'm actually flabbergasted that you consider a 90 minute documentary and a dramatization to be news coverage
You didn't specify news coverage. You just said coverage. What extra criteria do you want to add next? First five minutes of 10 o'clock news? Must have Huw Edwards sleeping rough outside the Court? Fiona Bruce undercover as a minicab driver....
In any event, my recollection - and it is only my recollection - is that there has actually been fairly extensive news coverage of these nasty events: "Rochdale" is still rumbling on.
For you to liken the drama to Coronation Street is, frankly, ghastly. It was highly researched, superbly crafted and essential viewing. (You didn't watch it did you? Not enough fishing in it I expect.) It used the chief prosecutor, lead police investigator and other professionals as consultants, reached a big audience and prompted a large increase in helpline calls from other victims.
I'm with @Algarveaddick on this one. Stuff such as Three Girls reaches a far bigger audience and has a much greater impact than any number of staid news items. (As is evidenced by the fact that you don't seem to remember any of them.)
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
Let's get one thing straight here, all I would ever want for the victims involved is the justice they deserve, so please don't play games and twist what I'm saying
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
Let's get one thing straight here, all I would ever want for the victims involved is the justice they deserve, so please don't play games and twist what I'm saying
But Robinson was actively endangering that by potentially causing a mistrial... That's the point. No one is saying what the criminals did is right or justified or should be hidden up but Robinson has not contributed to "justice" in any way.
When abuse of this scale is going on in full view of the authorities and wider community and nothing is seen to be done, I genuinely can't see how people can't understand why people like TR want to show it to the world and then show it again. Not so long back we had the Million Woman march and then the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with which people quite rightly agreed to be outraged by. Then you have up to 1500 young girls raped by gangs whose members are almost exclusively from a particular ethnicity and culture and people want to split fuckin hairs on it.
Don't try an act like Stephen did this to try and get justice for those poor girls that were getting abused. Thankfully from his point of view it is brown people of Pakistani origin/heritage that has been involved in this cases. Do you really think that if these were white males carrying out these acts he'd have been getting involved?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
Absolutely. It's his backstory and the impact sexual deviants from a particular community had on his family that fuelled his mistrust and anger.
If you knew what the actualities were then you wouldn't have asked the question.
Catholic priests, Islamic grooming gangs, whatever. Whoever was responsible for the acts that fuelled TR's attitude would have been sought out with the same level of vengeance.
To suggest otherwise shows that either you're arguing from a position of ignorance, and have no actual knowledge of the backstory, or it's an argument from authority bred purely from not liking the bloke (closed minded approach).
@Carter has pretty much nailed a lot of this already.
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"I first knew because my cousin was raped and she was found naked and running from the Muslim community, age 13. She was taken by the prostitutes on the street. The police wouldn't help. All the police would say is she's a drug addict. She was a drug addict. She became hooked on drugs after they were grooming and raping her."
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The only one of these things the media can help with is the last one (the first two are matters for police or social services and the relevant communities). So why don't they?
I don't know if you are taking things out of context so frequently that you've confused yourself or perhaps you are just on a wind up.
I fear, for both of us, that it is the former as I have had to constantly repeat things to you that you've failed to process in your head but I will bite once more , regardless.
The comment in bold is clearly wrong.
I opened by saying a fraction had been reported on, at no point did I state that MSM are failing to report on these cases.
I stated point as the penitent media should be reporting to firstly, stop paranoia seeping in amongst those 'right wingers' thus leading to the likes of TR and other rouges going out and reporting.
If there is coverage after the fact then it doesn't interfere with a case, and it doesn't encourage independent reports to jeopardize or antagonize.
Just promise me that you won't wear those shiny trunks that wrestlers like to wear, I don't think anyone needs to see that!
I was thinking back to those dead legs from school, shit, they hurt.
The trial was no secret - here's one report from last year with plenty of details: https://metro.co.uk/2017/05/12/protests-outside-court-as-29-people-are-told-they-face-trial-for-rape-and-exploitation-of-children-6632078/
After this, reporting restrictions were put in place, and when it comes to trial jurors are advised under oath not to seek out anything like this that might prejudice their view of court proceedings. That's pretty standard procedure
TR was not exposing any secrets, there was no need for him to be there, he had been warned and has accepted that. If I was so incensed by it, I would not want to put anything in the way of justice being done. I don't see why anyone would?
No doubt there seems to be a problem in certain parts of the country and the authorities need to act and it seems like they are starting to do something about it. The problem is parasites such as Stephen are latching on to these disgusting acts to further their own agenda, they are seeing these poor girls and taking advantage of their situation.
The problem is clearly the mass rape and tourture of thousands of girls, which was being covered up by those who are there to serve and protect.
haven't got involved too much in this thread because it genuinely saddens me and some of the posters on here have something in common - a love for charlton athletic.
He is a problem. Is he a problem in what is happening to the poor girls being raped? No, but then he is not a solution to that problem either. I could have worded that post better but I think most people would not think I was suggesting Stephen is a problem in regards to these girls being raped.
In any event, my recollection - and it is only my recollection - is that there has actually been fairly extensive news coverage of these nasty events: "Rochdale" is still rumbling on.
For you to liken the drama to Coronation Street is, frankly, ghastly. It was highly researched, superbly crafted and essential viewing. (You didn't watch it did you? Not enough fishing in it I expect.) It used the chief prosecutor, lead police investigator and other professionals as consultants, reached a big audience and prompted a large increase in helpline calls from other victims.
I'm with @Algarveaddick on this one. Stuff such as Three Girls reaches a far bigger audience and has a much greater impact than any number of staid news items. (As is evidenced by the fact that you don't seem to remember any of them.)
If you knew what the actualities were then you wouldn't have asked the question.
Catholic priests, Islamic grooming gangs, whatever. Whoever was responsible for the acts that fuelled TR's attitude would have been sought out with the same level of vengeance.
To suggest otherwise shows that either you're arguing from a position of ignorance, and have no actual knowledge of the backstory, or it's an argument from authority bred purely from not liking the bloke (closed minded approach).
@Carter has pretty much nailed a lot of this already.
EDIT:
"I first knew because my cousin was raped and she was found naked and running from the Muslim community, age 13. She was taken by the prostitutes on the street. The police wouldn't help. All the police would say is she's a drug addict. She was a drug addict. She became hooked on drugs after they were grooming and raping her."
A bit of context for you.