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Lyle Taylor - August 2025 signed for Chelmsford City (p295)
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Fine, but still if it is only Charlton players I think Bowyer said he has 9 out of contract players plus 6 loanees. So 12 out of 15 (80%) ARE willing to honour their deals. That doesn’t include the other 10 or so of the squad who will not be out of contract and are willing to play. I am sure all 22 willing to play will look after number one but they still respect their contractual obligations.Wrinkley_Addick_SE9 said:
Was talking about our players. Some players will have a sense of duty to honour their contractual obligations others are playing to put themselves in the shop window. What ever way you want to put it football is just a job to them so they will look after number one.robinofottershaw said:
So, someone on here said there are around 350 Championship players whose contracts expire at the end of the season. Thus far I have only heard that Taylor and Solly are unwilling to play for non-COVID related reasons. So, please correct if I am wrong but doesn’t that mean around 99.5% feel obligated to honour their contracts as opposed to “some”. Of course that may change in the next couple of weeks but how about we stick with facts for now?Wrinkley_Addick_SE9 said:Loyalty is for supporters not players. Some may feel obligated to play but for most it's about number one.You did say “some may feel obligated to play but for most it’s about number one”. If you had stated the reverse, that most feel obligated to play you would have been factually correct.
Look, I fully appreciate that footballers are not necessarily fans of their clubs and it is a livelihood to them. But the vast majority honour their contractual obligations because that is the way of the world. I am also not so naive not to understand that occasionally there are players who feign injury for whatever reason to avoid playing. However, I cannot recall ever hearing that a player has openly declared they are not available to play for the last 9 games (~20%) of a season in case they get injured as they hope to get a bigger payday from their next contract.
Fans understand that players are not necessarily loyal to their employers, but in spite of that I am confident in saying that the vast majority of fans (not just Charlton’s) strongly disagree with the stance Taylor has taken here.0 -
Been checking on Josh Cullen and his contract ends on 30 June, not heard him say he's not going to play.
Surely an injury could jeopardise a new contract with West Ham or another club.5 -
Only skimmed the latest contributions to this thread so apologies if already mentioned.
One of the concerns is that what Taylor is doing becomes commonplace and seen as an accepted risk of the modern game.
Imagine if every time an agent is approached and an offer to treble/quadruple a youngsters wages is proposed, if the players contract is up in 6 months, they just ride it out at the training ground and refuse to play matches. Even if the club stop paying them, they know full well that the first 6 months of their new contract is going to more than cover their losses.
The only way clubs could possibly try to protect themselves is by weighing contracts heavily on some sort of end of contract term loyalty payment.
eg, if a 2 year contract totalling circa £1m is agreed, then structure it as payments of £5k per week with a £500k end of contract term payment.If a scenario occurs like we have now where a player refuses to play, at least the club has some power.
There’s no doubt loads of reasons why this is unworkable, as I’m sure many of you will point out.0 -
Leroy Ambrose said:I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
Pretty much agree with this within the confines of normal business, but this is football and the one thing you haven't mentioned is the fans.
Ultimately footballer's livelihoods depend upon the interest and support of ordinary people and in some cases extra ordinary people like Seb Lewis. He loves the limelight and there is nothing wrong in that. We have chanted his name, supported him, helped build his reputation and placed him on a pedestal. Of course footballers are allowed to move on, but there is a way of doing it within the realms of decency.
No matter what is going on behind the scenes, I find the contempt shown by Taylor to us true Charlton fans absolutely abhorrent.
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Players are free to negotiate a move 6 months before their contract is up so, if what you're saying is correct, why ain't there more cases like this of players refusing to play the last few games for their "old" Club? I don't think this is the case at all, and even if it is, it still don't change the fact that Taylor is a w****r for doing it imoMuttleyCAFC said:
They would have indicated a preference for him not getting injured with a clear implication that he shouldn't play for us. Informal and off the record. Taylor will know where he is going and how much he is going to be getting. He is not going to say anything that will undermine his new club.killerandflash said:No way would say Brentford have told him not to play for the rest of the season, especially as we are due to play them. That would be considered a massive breach of the rules.
Football operates separately from normal life, it's not like a normal job where in your last few weeks you hand over your responsibilities, tidy your desk and go for long lunch breaks, as the last game in your contract is potentially just as important as your 1st or 34th. Clubs aren't stupid, if we were relegated with 2 games to go, I'm sure Bowyer would be happy to leave Taylor out.
The integrity of the league season relies on it, and it's this structure which generates massive public interest and makes lots of players very rich. If the FA AND PFA had any sense of morals, they would instruct its members to play the full season, and for clubs to extend all contracts until the season is ended. These are extraordinary times, and everyone has to show solidarity to the wider game.
But this goes on in football all the time. Clubs are always telling young players they can't play for their schools or clubs anymore. It is the culture of clubs and ridiculous to think is these strange times with the season extended into the summer that this isn't what is happening here.2 -
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maybe....but he's gonna get c£25k a week to do it. He doesn't particularly care about football, we know that.1968CAFC said:
To sit on a Bench after his next injury ?Elthamaddick said:I think he’s prem bound2 -
I like ideas like this, but the power is pretty much all with the players because of the way the game has evolved. For Lyle, this is a calculated move despite the short term fallout it will attract.paulbaconsarnie said:Only skimmed the latest contributions to this thread so apologies if already mentioned.
One of the concerns is that what Taylor is doing becomes commonplace and seen as an accepted risk of the modern game.
Imagine if every time an agent is approached and an offer to treble/quadruple a youngsters wages is proposed, if the players contract is up in 6 months, they just ride it out at the training ground and refuse to play matches. Even if the club stop paying them, they know full well that the first 6 months of their new contract is going to more than cover their losses.
The only way clubs could possibly try to protect themselves is by weighing contracts heavily on some sort of end of contract term loyalty payment.
eg, if a 2 year contract totalling circa £1m is agreed, then structure it as payments of £5k per week with a £500k end of contract term payment.If a scenario occurs like we have now where a player refuses to play, at least the club has some power.
There’s no doubt loads of reasons why this is unworkable, as I’m sure many of you will point out.I’m trying to remember him as the player he has been and for the contributions he has made, but the fact that he won’t even play up until the end of June as others have said is unprofessional and disappointing.
I mentioned earlier that I thank him for his time here, and that’s still the case, but now he has said he wants to move on, in the manner he has, I’m completely indifferent to him and will be throwing all weight into getting behind Bonne and Hemed. He’s moved on and is doing what he thinks is best for him. We’ll do the same.
I’ll clap him when if and he returns, but from the minute the the game kicks off, I’ll be looking to whoever is marking him to clobber him in the first few minutes as a welcoming back present ;-)3 -
Josh Cullen signed a new 1 year extension with West Ham in January, his contract with them ends summer 2021iaitch said:Been checking on Josh Cullen and his contract ends on 30 June, not heard him say he's not going to play.
Surely an injury could jeopardise a new contract with West Ham or another club.0 -
If you play for a good team maybe but I’m guessing the pub team he got injured playing for doesn’t have a pot to piss inguinnessaddick said:
Doesn’t the international team pick up the tab for wages if a player is injured whilst on international duty?Wheresmeticket? said:
And for the months he was injured as a result of playing for another team. Paid and looked after.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Lyle Taylor was happy to still pick up his wages while this pandemic has been going on.He didn't say anything then. Fans detest players like this taking their club for a easy living and giving nothing back.11:35 PM · Jun 2, 2020·Twitter for Android0 - Sponsored links:
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And what about all those Filipino nurses and Asian and Black Doctors that are turning up for work every day.Scoham said:2 -
A club only gets compensation if a player is injured in a major tournament. Any other game and the club gets nothing.Todds_right_hook said:
If you play for a good team maybe but I’m guessing the pub team he got injured playing for doesn’t have a pot to piss inguinnessaddick said:
Doesn’t the international team pick up the tab for wages if a player is injured whilst on international duty?Wheresmeticket? said:
And for the months he was injured as a result of playing for another team. Paid and looked after.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Lyle Taylor was happy to still pick up his wages while this pandemic has been going on.He didn't say anything then. Fans detest players like this taking their club for a easy living and giving nothing back.11:35 PM · Jun 2, 2020·Twitter for Android
It's why West Ham went to court when Dean Ashton's career was basically ended by a tackle in England training.0 -
If you take Jason's argument to its logical extreme players should simply refuse to play in case they get injured. If it's okay for players to bow out of their contracts when it suits them then it will just keep getting worse.Baldybonce said:
And what about all those Filipino nurses and Asian and Black Doctors that are turning up for work every day.Scoham said:
I'm sick to death of the attitude of some footballers and pundits who think they're far more deserving than the rest of society.13 -
I agree but for all NHS staff irrespective of where they are from.Baldybonce said:
And what about all those Filipino nurses and Asian and Black Doctors that are turning up for work every day.Scoham said:
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I'm sure Taylor will get a wedge at his new club regardless but if he scored say 5 goals in the remaining 9 games and kept us up, surely he could get even more?0
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I also think we need to put "International Team" into perspectiveWheresmeticket? said:
No. If a national team is in the final stages of an international tournament they have an obligation to compensate the club. Otherwise the doctors attached to the national team have an obligation to submit the results of their own examinations to assist the club in treating the injury but they don't have to pay any compensation to the club. So if a player decides to play for a minor national side (no disrespect) like Montserrat there is almost no chance they will get past the initial stages of any tournament they are in, so no risk of having to pay compensation.guinnessaddick said:
Doesn’t the international team pick up the tab for wages if a player is injured whilst on international duty?Wheresmeticket? said:
And for the months he was injured as a result of playing for another team. Paid and looked after.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Lyle Taylor was happy to still pick up his wages while this pandemic has been going on.He didn't say anything then. Fans detest players like this taking their club for a easy living and giving nothing back.11:35 PM · Jun 2, 2020·Twitter for Android
"On June 30, 2002, the day of the 2002 World Cup Final, Montserrat, then the lowest ranked team in the world, played against the second lowest team, Bhutan, in a friendly match known jokingly as "The Other Final", but lost 4–0.
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We do have other players out of contract,who will be wondering if new deals will be offered by Charlton are these players saying they are not playing because they might get hurt,thereby causing themselves problems if they are let go,no they are not.Naby Sarr,Williams,Cullen I believe and others could all adopt the same attitude.1
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In a sense I’m not surprised by Taylor’s stance given all the circumstances. I’m just amazed that someone who puts himself out there as a savvy individual is stupid enough to be so open about it given the reputational damage that will ensue. It would not have made it any more right (in fact it would have made the deceit worse) had he just quietly got on with it but developed a migraine/bad back or something on match day to prevent him playing. We’d all have had our suspicions but he could have peddled the “desperate to play line” for those gullible enough to want to hear it. Clearly he either thinks he’s untouchable or he’s more stupid than I previously gave him credit for. Did he really think that being “honest” about it would have made us all say “fair enough mate, best of luck to you”? Nah. He’s getting the roasting he deserves I’m afraid. A sour ending given all the pleasure he brought. Your average nurse is worth a thousand Lyle Taylors.5
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And not really a good example to children either.1
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Thanks Chris, I stand corrected.... yet again.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Josh Cullen signed a new 1 year extension with West Ham in January, his contract with them ends summer 2021iaitch said:Been checking on Josh Cullen and his contract ends on 30 June, not heard him say he's not going to play.
Surely an injury could jeopardise a new contract with West Ham or another club.0 - Sponsored links:
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Footballer should never be used as a good example for kidsEastTerrace said:And not really a good example to children either.3 -
Maybe if we give Lyle a clap at 8pm tomorrow he'll change his mind?17
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He might well have wanted to put a different spin on it, but it was Bowyer who went public with why he didnt want to play. Memo to Lyle.......dont piss LB off.Sillybilly said:In a sense I’m not surprised by Taylor’s stance given all the circumstances. I’m just amazed that someone who puts himself out there as a savvy individual is stupid enough to be so open about it given the reputational damage that will ensue. It would not have made it any more right (in fact it would have made the deceit worse) had he just quietly got on with it but developed a migraine/bad back or something on match day to prevent him playing. We’d all have had our suspicions but he could have peddled the “desperate to play line” for those gullible enough to want to hear it. Clearly he either thinks he’s untouchable or he’s more stupid than I previously gave him credit for. Did he really think that being “honest” about it would have made us all say “fair enough mate, best of luck to you”? Nah. He’s getting the roasting he deserves I’m afraid. A sour ending given all the pleasure he brought. Your average nurse is worth a thousand Lyle Taylors.5 -
Elf’s just shot his boltSporadicAddick said:
I also think we need to put "International Team" into perspectiveWheresmeticket? said:
No. If a national team is in the final stages of an international tournament they have an obligation to compensate the club. Otherwise the doctors attached to the national team have an obligation to submit the results of their own examinations to assist the club in treating the injury but they don't have to pay any compensation to the club. So if a player decides to play for a minor national side (no disrespect) like Montserrat there is almost no chance they will get past the initial stages of any tournament they are in, so no risk of having to pay compensation.guinnessaddick said:
Doesn’t the international team pick up the tab for wages if a player is injured whilst on international duty?Wheresmeticket? said:
And for the months he was injured as a result of playing for another team. Paid and looked after.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Lyle Taylor was happy to still pick up his wages while this pandemic has been going on.He didn't say anything then. Fans detest players like this taking their club for a easy living and giving nothing back.11:35 PM · Jun 2, 2020·Twitter for Android
"On June 30, 2002, the day of the 2002 World Cup Final, Montserrat, then the lowest ranked team in the world, played against the second lowest team, Bhutan, in a friendly match known jokingly as "The Other Final", but lost 4–0.6 -
There are two other things that might be at the back of Taylor's mind - one whether he has a chronic injury that doesn't prevent him from playing but that he might aggravate and two the fact that a player is most vulnerable during a period of inactivity as is the case now.
Still not excuses for not fulfilling his contract. But reasons nevertheless.1 -
Going to be a while before Taylor plays again...
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He’ll have plenty of time to spend his money then!ForeverAddickted said:Going to be a while before Taylor plays again...1 -
Bloody obvious I would have thought. And when is next season anyway....? We haven't even re-started this one yet.ForeverAddickted said:Going to be a while before Taylor plays again...
Lyle old son, you might be sitting on your arse for a few more months. Not as if you can go out shopping or for meals out. Oh, I forgot.......car showrooms opened up on Monday.3 -
I don't think actually kicking a football is part of LT's plans after his "big move"ForeverAddickted said:Going to be a while before Taylor plays again...2 -
Yeah to me and you, the decisions the Governing Bodies though I wouldnt have been surprised had he been allowed to face us had he joined Brentford etc.golfaddick said:
Bloody obvious I would have thought. And when is next season anyway....? We haven't even re-started this one yet.ForeverAddickted said:Going to be a while before Taylor plays again...
Lyle old son, you might be sitting on your arse for a few more months. Not as if you can go out shopping or for meals out. Oh, I forgot.......car showrooms opened up on Monday.
As for next season I wont be surprised if the EFL havent even thought about it
We should be getting the new fixtures for next season in the next few weeks so be curious to see when that'll be pushed back to0
