O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
Your kidding? - In which case we really shouldnt be surprised, I am actually surprised that Wimbledon fans have any patience for him then
O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
As far as I'm aware he played the last three games of the season at Wimbledon.
He'd be a fool to sign for Galatassaray. There's a litany of players who've gone to Turkey and they've stopped wages.
On another point if a player refuses to play will the EFL allow you to sign someone else? I know we can't but in this scenario it would seem right to allow it.
Fuck him, this is what fucks me off with footballers, you cannot compare professional football to real life so the analogy about accountants and engineers being offered life changing money doesn't come into it.
I completely understand wanting to earn a living, to test yourself but coming out with bollocks about picking up and injury and not wanting to play is like a golfer refusing to play the back nine because he doesn't want to lose his balls.
Ultimately another club won't be as morally upheld to take this behaviour into account but seriously, if a club at the bottom end of the premier league were looking at him they need to bear in mind he's only going to want to play the games that are right for him, no relegation battles thanks, got my own career to think of and who I'll be playing for next season. As if this isn't a concern for every single professional footballer that has ever lived.
Same for anyone at the top end of the championship pushing for the play offs.
Well this is a lost cause lads, at best, it isn't definite we will go up, so you lads do the hard lifting and I'll sit these games out in case we don't make it and I can sign for someone else next season
Justice will be football telling him to fuck off but we all know how likely that is to happen
I think we should take legal action to reclaim his wages from the point he last played for us. First we should request the money outside of the courts and if he refuses then take the legal route.
O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
As far as I'm aware he played the last three games of the season at Wimbledon.
Indeed, in his final game for them he was stretchered off in the 32nd minute and replaced by Joe Pigott!
He can strongly do one for that interview. 'I don't expect any sympathy' and then goes on to to outline exactly why he deserves sympathy and how difficult a decision it's been to refuse to do his job for a couple of weeks before getting millions of quid, knowing full well he could see out a couple of games with us and still get his cash. That's his choice, I get it, but don't pop up now trying to give your side of it saying you've been up to 5am worrying. Be a dick, take the commentary that goes with it and piss off. I'd actually respect him a lot more if he shrugged his shoulders and pointed at the bag of money he's getting. If his long term knee injury was so devastating as to make him concerned that one more knock could end his career, maybe it's so bad he won't pass a medical. That would be interesting.
Could you imagine how funny it would be if he failed his medical!
I'm still firmly one of the minority that believes we have not got to the bottom of this story yet. One person who could shed light on it all is Taylor's agent. They of course operate in the shadows, but this one at least has a media profile.
So that's my day sorted, as a grumpy old pensioner with time on his hands. I shall attempt to, as they say, reach out to Mr Matthews...
Given that Taylor was always going to leave after Southall's shenanigans in January and the closure of that transfer window, the question arises as to why his agent didn't get his digit out and negotiate an earlier pre-contractual agreement - particularly given the injury in September and the extreme sensitivity to further injury that Taylor is now pleading. That would have obviated the financial risk of him being injured and out of contract, although I suspect that both he and his agent were hoping to generate some kind of bidding war come the end of the season. There's always a risk in taking a 'wait and see' approach but there's no reason whatsoever why Charlton should be obliged to negate that by the player going on strike and refusing to meet his contractual obligations up to 30 June.
There'll still be plenty of suitors, of course, but one consequence of the pandemic and the uncertainty surrounding next season is that the terms now on offer to Taylor are likely to be significantly lower than he could have secured earlier this year. Several of the clubs linked with him don't know which division they will be in next season, including Brentford, whose business model relies upon selling players for bumper fees. Given the deflationary impact of Coronavirus on transfer fees, I expect they'll now be taking a more cautious approach financially, in common with all other clubs from the Premier League down.
Taylor's Sky recording (interview is obviously a misnomer) was unimpressive and will do little to shore up his reputation in the wider game. He is also trying to suggest that he was being pressurised into signing an extension for the full nine games - i.e. that he was being presented with an 'all or nothing' scenario - which I very much doubt was the case. If I'm right on that, his comments are disingenuous and designed purely to try and circumvent the core issue, namely, that he is in flagrant breach of contract in refusing to play this month.
The potential loss of Championship status will cost the club several million pounds a season and, in theory (if not in practice) Taylor is exposing himself to a potential claim for loss of chance on the basis that, but for his breach of contract, we may have avoided relegation. Football, of course, exists in its own bubble - as to which, I'd like to hear what the PFA and their grossly overpaid Chief Executive, Gordon Taylor, have to say about this. The silence will doubtless be deafening.
I am sure he wasn’t being pressurised into an all (I.e. all of last 9 games) or nothing. In his Sky discussion yesterday with Minto, Neville and Carragar, Bowyer said that if he just played the 3 games they would likely have scheduled between 20-30 June they were all winnable in his mind and could make the difference between survival and relegation.
Never thought I would bracket him in the Parker/Defoe/Grant camp. Thought he was a better person than that. Don't have any sympathy either with him not being able to sleep. Ah, diddums.
What makes it even galling is he refers to his knee injury that he picked up whilst playing for Monserat. A injury that meant he missed half the season & one of the reasons why we are now in the bottom 3.
Any decent person would take this into account & say......"do you know what, the club let me go & play in a meaningless fixture & paid me all through the time I couldn't give them my services. Now its time for me to repay them that & to play to the end of my contracted period"
Taylor is a good League 1 player & a half decent Championship player. But look around at the top Championship / bottom Premier League strikers and he is not in that bracket.
don't think you can bracket Grant with Parker/Defoe/Taylor. I certainly can't remember Karlan refusing to play for us.
O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
As far as I'm aware he played the last three games of the season at Wimbledon.
Indeed, in his final game for them he was stretchered off in the 32nd minute and replaced by Joe Pigott!
O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
That is patently NOT true. He played in all the last three games for Wimbledon that season. Why post something like that that is so easy to check and disprove?
He can strongly do one for that interview. 'I don't expect any sympathy' and then goes on to to outline exactly why he deserves sympathy and how difficult a decision it's been to refuse to do his job for a couple of weeks before getting millions of quid, knowing full well he could see out a couple of games with us and still get his cash. That's his choice, I get it, but don't pop up now trying to give your side of it saying you've been up to 5am worrying. Be a dick, take the commentary that goes with it and piss off. I'd actually respect him a lot more if he shrugged his shoulders and pointed at the bag of money he's getting. If his long term knee injury was so devastating as to make him concerned that one more knock could end his career, maybe it's so bad he won't pass a medical. That would be interesting.
Could you imagine how funny it would be if he failed his medical!
I would potentially never stop laughing. Though the irony is that would make him right about how risky playing on his knee is
Did it no good with us. I imagine there's value in him getting his woe is me side out to the wider public seeing as this has had such broad coverage. Just another two fingers up to us really
No wonder him and Southall clashed, both so arrogant as to think all their actions are justified, but instead just self centred, greedy businessmen essentially. I can see the text from Southall now to Lyle "welcome to my world mate, lol", which will be an even bigger kick in the teeth for him. To become the person you despise, ouch.
Hopefully they're now pissed off enough to prove a point - Dont think the 50% cut is a bad thing to be honest, although how had a 50% increase when we got promoted?
If there arent many then actually getting us in the Championship has hurt the players more financially as a result as they'll be on less in League One than what they were on last time
Grant played against Peterborough the weekend before moving. If I remember rightly he missed training on the Friday to agree terms but Bowyer asked him to play as Taylor was suspended
Grant played against Peterborough the weekend before moving. If I remember rightly he missed training on the Friday to agree terms but Bowyer asked him to play as Taylor was suspended
Were they practicing penalties at the Friday training session by any chance?
Never thought I would bracket him in the Parker/Defoe/Grant camp. Thought he was a better person than that. Don't have any sympathy either with him not being able to sleep. Ah, diddums.
What makes it even galling is he refers to his knee injury that he picked up whilst playing for Monserat. A injury that meant he missed half the season & one of the reasons why we are now in the bottom 3.
Any decent person would take this into account & say......"do you know what, the club let me go & play in a meaningless fixture & paid me all through the time I couldn't give them my services. Now its time for me to repay them that & to play to the end of my contracted period"
Taylor is a good League 1 player & a half decent Championship player. But look around at the top Championship / bottom Premier League strikers and he is not in that bracket.
don't think you can bracket Grant with Parker/Defoe/Taylor. I certainly can't remember Karlan refusing to play for us.
Do you not remember the penalty in his last game for us, could he be bothered to score?
Out of interest all you proper Charlton Fans with integrity, what do you think the hard done by Lyle Taylor gets paid every week at the Valley ??
I would say in the region of 7K.
Yes I would agree £6000 to £7000 👍👍👍 and he going to get £25K really?
Yet still people do not accept why Taylor has taken the stance he has.
After what Taylor has now said about the reason he will not honour his contract with us and show character and integrity etc etc, if I was the manger or chairman of any intetested Club I would think again ......as this man could have an injury phobia or just be potential trouble !
Selfish cnut and a coward. You leave a club in the position its in that no other club can touch with the crap were dealing with and you just walk away! Money grabbing, no integrity, no respect and no honour... How dare you kiss our badge and say all the right things and then do this... You're no better than Southall. Forgive?? Never... Forget?? Never.
Is it fair to say that he's off your Christmas card list?
The first time I met Taylor I thought he was a nice bloke. but the first time I saw Southall and heard his first interview I thought he was a dishonest rat conman!!
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As far as I'm aware he played the last three games of the season at Wimbledon.
On another point if a player refuses to play will the EFL allow you to sign someone else? I know we can't but in this scenario it would seem right to allow it.
What is the point in a contract
Fuck him, this is what fucks me off with footballers, you cannot compare professional football to real life so the analogy about accountants and engineers being offered life changing money doesn't come into it.
I completely understand wanting to earn a living, to test yourself but coming out with bollocks about picking up and injury and not wanting to play is like a golfer refusing to play the back nine because he doesn't want to lose his balls.
Ultimately another club won't be as morally upheld to take this behaviour into account but seriously, if a club at the bottom end of the premier league were looking at him they need to bear in mind he's only going to want to play the games that are right for him, no relegation battles thanks, got my own career to think of and who I'll be playing for next season. As if this isn't a concern for every single professional footballer that has ever lived.
Same for anyone at the top end of the championship pushing for the play offs.
Well this is a lost cause lads, at best, it isn't definite we will go up, so you lads do the hard lifting and I'll sit these games out in case we don't make it and I can sign for someone else next season
Justice will be football telling him to fuck off but we all know how likely that is to happen
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43931518
Could you imagine how funny it would be if he failed his medical!
That is patently NOT true. He played in all the last three games for Wimbledon that season. Why post something like that that is so easy to check and disprove?
And then he goes and does possibly the most unprofessional thing a footballer can do....
If there arent many then actually getting us in the Championship has hurt the players more financially as a result as they'll be on less in League One than what they were on last time
will not honour his contract with us and show character and integrity etc etc, if I was the manger or chairman of any intetested Club I would think again ......as this man could have an injury phobia
or just be potential trouble !
but the first time I saw Southall and heard his first interview I thought he was a dishonest rat conman!!