I know it is childish but I am a believer in compiling a revenge list. Revenge on the football pitch is the best way. I have always liked Forest but Taylor means they deserve to be added for as long as he is there. Brentford need to be on it and the cheats Sheffield Wednesday. The list shouldn't be too long and extra pleasure will be gained ticking them off.
Why the hell would I want to follow him, surely it recognises I unfollowed him recently so I wouldn't want to re follow him lol
You don't need to follow him because as soon as he so much as breathes, it gets posted on here anyway.
For what it's worth i think we all agree with Darren Bent. We can see why he did it, we can see that Forest fans are delighted at a great free transfer, but obviously we'll never forgive him.
I don't agree with Darren Bent if you're talking about him walking out on his contract - just the wrong thing to do. Players not extending for 6 games I might be unhappy with but I can understand but as for walking out on a contract that is unforgivable for me - it says a lot about the person.
Exactly why i said we'll never forgive him.
But from his own professional (and selfish) standpoint i can see why he did it.
Most people would walk away with their tail between their legs after behaving as he has done. Yet he feels it appropriate to further taunt all those at the club, who he has so criminally let down by his actions. A nasty piece of work.
To be honest, I can see why but it was a massive mistake. Football is and always will be a team game and I think the regret he will take with him the more he thinks about it is how he has let down friends/team mates. People have lost their jobs and money because of his decision and all he had to do was do something he has been doing every week since he was a kid. He didn't have to climb Mount Everest. You can earn lots of money but you will carry what you do with you. And I am sure when he looks back from a point in the future, he will regret his actions.
We had loan players show more loyalty to their mates than he did! Players that nobody expected to return. Anyway, it is his guilt not ours, we should just forget him a.s.a.p.
Most people would walk away with their tail between their legs after behaving as he has done. Yet he feels it appropriate to further taunt all those at the club, who he has so criminally let down by his actions. A nasty piece of work.
He seems the perfect fit for Sheffield Wednesday when you put it like that.
Most people would walk away with their tail between their legs after behaving as he has done. Yet he feels it appropriate to further taunt all those at the club, who he has so criminally let down by his actions. A nasty piece of work.
He only taunts you if you allow him to. Just ignore him.
I think we have all made mistakes so the best we can do is hope he realises what a big one he has made. Not financially but as a person. If he doesn't ever realise it, then we should pity his shallowness. Whatever way, he doesn't win. Look at Naby. A far less spectacular career but he will always be welcome. Look at Cullen. He has never even been a Charlton player but he will always be welcome. There is a way to conduct yourself. If it is just about money, well I pity him. I must admit that I always thought he was better than that!
Why the hell would I want to follow him, surely it recognises I unfollowed him recently so I wouldn't want to re follow him lol
You don't need to follow him because as soon as he so much as breathes, it gets posted on here anyway.
For what it's worth i think we all agree with Darren Bent. We can see why he did it, we can see that Forest fans are delighted at a great free transfer, but obviously we'll never forgive him.
I don't agree with Darren Bent if you're talking about him walking out on his contract - just the wrong thing to do. Players not extending for 6 games I might be unhappy with but I can understand but as for walking out on a contract that is unforgivable for me - it says a lot about the person.
Exactly why i said we'll never forgive him.
But from his own professional (and selfish) standpoint i can see why he did it.
I can't see why he did it and that's where we differ - he doesn't have a 'professional' attitude. Footballers who break contracts should be dealt with.
He does not constitute a 'professional' sportsman to me. He epitomises all that is wrong with sport.
A lot of thoughts floating around in my mind with all of this and it's turned into a bit of an essay, so feel free to indulge me and my somewhat mixed/ muddled reflections, if you so wish.
I've been through a bit of a crazy personal journey throughout the past 10 months and just feel slightly differently to most on this particular matter.
I've been absent from this forum throughout most of this period, but am not a WUM, honest.
Upon reflection on this person's behaviour and that decision, I, in some way can identify with what I suspect could be the motivation behind all of it.
I've been faced with a situation that has forced me to evaluate my priorities and values, and have realised that the most important thing to me is family. I have no kids, but am married and whilst I wouldn't see myself making the same decision, would do all that I could to ensure the security of the futures of the ones that I care most about (whether or not that has to be financial, is a matter of personal choice and values and is perhaps another debate).
I'm not at all comfortable with the materialistic element of today's society, but If I felt that I had a decision to make that could benefit my wife, myself and future generations, I would have to seriously consider forgoing my values and principles to make that happen, even if it's at the expense of professional relationships or public opinion (thankfully, I'm not in the public eye and can make endless cock-ups with only my wife's close, but loving scrutiny). Football is business, careers are short and there is very little loyalty in it (in my opinion) and that goes both ways. I'm sure he's been on the receiving end of that many a time over the past decade or so.
Throughout my journey (which, for context, has included three hours of therapy every week for almost a year), I'm realising that I need to look out for my own needs more, especially in cut throat industries where, in reality, people matter very little and are easily cast aside, once they've reached their sell-by date. Maybe part of this is me realising that I need to look after myself and those around me ahead of any job or employer (which for me, wouldn't necessarily be about money, particularly if I was already on a decent income. But each to their own).
As for the man in question, I actually never really took to him. I was one of the few people I knew that didn't heap praise on him for his perceived intelligence, charisma or charm. I just didn't warm to him for some reason. This is probably in part due to how I saw him acting on social media. But I'm owning that as my stuff. I just feel that there is always a reason for someone's behaviour and suspect that the social media persona and what looks like arrogant, "attention seeking" (a phrase I've grown to hate), self glorification is covering up some deep insecurity somewhere.
I know nothing about the business side of football and someone will probably be able to pick apart my simplistic view on things, so I'll be happy to be corrected. Just some thoughts that have been bouncing around.
A lot of thoughts floating around in my mind with all of this and it's turned into a bit of an essay, so feel free to indulge me and my somewhat mixed/ muddled reflections, if you so wish.
I've been through a bit of a crazy personal journey throughout the past 10 months and just feel slightly differently to most on this particular matter.
I've been absent from this forum throughout most of this period, but am not a WUM, honest.
Upon reflection on this person's behaviour and that decision, I, in some way can identify with what I suspect could be the motivation behind all of it.
I've been faced with a situation that has forced me to evaluate my priorities and values, and have realised that the most important thing to me is family. I have no kids, but am married and whilst I wouldn't see myself making the same decision, would do all that I could to ensure the security of the futures of the ones that I care most about (whether or not that has to be financial, is a matter of personal choice and values and is perhaps another debate).
I'm not at all comfortable with the materialistic element of today's society, but If I felt that if I had a decision to make that could benefit my wife, myself and future generations, I would have to seriously consider forgoing my values and principles to make that happen, even if it's at the expense of professional relationships or public opinion (thankfully, I'm not in the public eye and can make endless cock-ups with only my wife's close, but loving scrutiny). Football is business, careers are short and there is very little loyalty in it (in my opinion) and that goes both ways. I'm sure he's been on the receiving end of that many a time over the past decade or so.
Throughout my journey (which, for context, has included three hours of therapy every week for almost a year), I'm realising that I need to look out for my own needs more, especially in cut throat industries where, in reality, people matter very little and are easily cast aside, once they've reached their sell-by date. Maybe part of this is me realising that I need to look after myself and those around me ahead of any job or employer (which for me, wouldn't necessarily be about money, particularly if I was already on a decent income. But each to their own).
As for the man in question, I actually never really took to him. I was one of the few people I knew that didn't heap praise on him for his perceived intelligence, charisma or charm. I just didn't warm to him for some reason. This is probably in part due to how I saw him acting on social media. But I'm owning that as my stuff. I just feel that there is always a reason for someone's behaviour and suspect that the social media persona and what looks like arrogant, "attention seeking" (a phrase I've grown to hate), self glorification is covering up some deep insecurity somewhere.
I know nothing about the business side of football and someone will probably be able to pick apart my simplistic view on things, so I'll be happy to be corrected. Just some thoughts that have been bouncing around.
I come from it from a different angle than you in that I really thought he was a cut above the average footballer in terms of nous and "getting it" with what it meant for fans etc. Posted more than once he would go places and have a career outside of the game when he hung up his boots as he had a bit about him.
Same with my view on Southall etc I've learned I'm a piss poor judge of character.
He has no real interest in the game as he's stated before so surely money is his only real motivator in the move and the way he left. Surely players are insured in that if he had suffered a move- prohibiting injury he would have been far from the dole line.
Yes of course financial security and looking out for number one are important in a seemingly (at times) increasingly dog eat dog world ....but at what cost. He was an integral part of the team, a real goal threat and he could have honoured his contract and played the 3 remaining games and helped his teammates and Bowyer stay up....to secure the financial stability of his teammates and the staff (ie office staff) at the club.
He chose to look after number one with disregard for everyone else including the fans.
Yes it is naive to consider that players aren't in it for the money and there are no longer Steve Bulls knocking about sadly but he knows what he has done is out of order and money seemingly being the only justification to completely dishonour his contract and disrespect the club, his manager, teammates and fans is a pretty poor approach in my opinion. But we all have different values and outlooks and he'll unlikely be bothered by it when banging in the goals and counting his money whilst being lauded by the Notts Forest faithful who have developed convenient Van Hoijdonk amnesia with their views on the way he has acted.
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But from his own professional (and selfish) standpoint i can see why he did it.
Yet he feels it appropriate to further taunt all those at the club, who he has so criminally let down by his actions.
A nasty piece of work.
We had loan players show more loyalty to their mates than he did! Players that nobody expected to return. Anyway, it is his guilt not ours, we should just forget him a.s.a.p.
Feels better
He does not constitute a 'professional' sportsman to me. He epitomises all that is wrong with sport.
A lot of thoughts floating around in my mind with all of this and it's turned into a bit of an essay, so feel free to indulge me and my somewhat mixed/ muddled reflections, if you so wish.
I've been through a bit of a crazy personal journey throughout the past 10 months and just feel slightly differently to most on this particular matter.
I've been absent from this forum throughout most of this period, but am not a WUM, honest.
Upon reflection on this person's behaviour and that decision, I, in some way can identify with what I suspect could be the motivation behind all of it.
I've been faced with a situation that has forced me to evaluate my priorities and values, and have realised that the most important thing to me is family. I have no kids, but am married and whilst I wouldn't see myself making the same decision, would do all that I could to ensure the security of the futures of the ones that I care most about (whether or not that has to be financial, is a matter of personal choice and values and is perhaps another debate).
I'm not at all comfortable with the materialistic element of today's society, but If I felt that I had a decision to make that could benefit my wife, myself and future generations, I would have to seriously consider forgoing my values and principles to make that happen, even if it's at the expense of professional relationships or public opinion (thankfully, I'm not in the public eye and can make endless cock-ups with only my wife's close, but loving scrutiny). Football is business, careers are short and there is very little loyalty in it (in my opinion) and that goes both ways. I'm sure he's been on the receiving end of that many a time over the past decade or so.
Throughout my journey (which, for context, has included three hours of therapy every week for almost a year), I'm realising that I need to look out for my own needs more, especially in cut throat industries where, in reality, people matter very little and are easily cast aside, once they've reached their sell-by date. Maybe part of this is me realising that I need to look after myself and those around me ahead of any job or employer (which for me, wouldn't necessarily be about money, particularly if I was already on a decent income. But each to their own).
As for the man in question, I actually never really took to him. I was one of the few people I knew that didn't heap praise on him for his perceived intelligence, charisma or charm. I just didn't warm to him for some reason. This is probably in part due to how I saw him acting on social media. But I'm owning that as my stuff. I just feel that there is always a reason for someone's behaviour and suspect that the social media persona and what looks like arrogant, "attention seeking" (a phrase I've grown to hate), self glorification is covering up some deep insecurity somewhere.
I know nothing about the business side of football and someone will probably be able to pick apart my simplistic view on things, so I'll be happy to be corrected. Just some thoughts that have been bouncing around.
Addick in SW16.
I come from it from a different angle than you in that I really thought he was a cut above the average footballer in terms of nous and "getting it" with what it meant for fans etc. Posted more than once he would go places and have a career outside of the game when he hung up his boots as he had a bit about him.
Same with my view on Southall etc I've learned I'm a piss poor judge of character.
He has no real interest in the game as he's stated before so surely money is his only real motivator in the move and the way he left. Surely players are insured in that if he had suffered a move- prohibiting injury he would have been far from the dole line.
Yes of course financial security and looking out for number one are important in a seemingly (at times) increasingly dog eat dog world ....but at what cost. He was an integral part of the team, a real goal threat and he could have honoured his contract and played the 3 remaining games and helped his teammates and Bowyer stay up....to secure the financial stability of his teammates and the staff (ie office staff) at the club.
He chose to look after number one with disregard for everyone else including the fans.
Yes it is naive to consider that players aren't in it for the money and there are no longer Steve Bulls knocking about sadly but he knows what he has done is out of order and money seemingly being the only justification to completely dishonour his contract and disrespect the club, his manager, teammates and fans is a pretty poor approach in my opinion. But we all have different values and outlooks and he'll unlikely be bothered by it when banging in the goals and counting his money whilst being lauded by the Notts Forest faithful who have developed convenient Van Hoijdonk amnesia with their views on the way he has acted.
I didn't sleep for weeks
I agonised over the decision
It was horrible for me personally
But in the end I had to think what was best for me.
I hated seeing the club relegated it made me really upset
Charlton and the fans will always be in my heart
I wish them nothing but the best for the future
Why bother, f**k off Lyle no one cares
He knew he would get abuse for saying it then because we'd be hurting so kept quiet until a time he thought we'd no longer care