A lot of thoughts floating around in my mind with all of this and it's turned into a bit of an essay, so feel free to indulge me and my somewhat mixed/ muddled reflections, if you so wish.
I've been through a bit of a crazy personal journey throughout the past 10 months and just feel slightly differently to most on this particular matter.
I've been absent from this forum throughout most of this period, but am not a WUM, honest.
Upon reflection on this person's behaviour and that decision, I, in some way can identify with what I suspect could be the motivation behind all of it.
I've been faced with a situation that has forced me to evaluate my priorities and values, and have realised that the most important thing to me is family. I have no kids, but am married and whilst I wouldn't see myself making the same decision, would do all that I could to ensure the security of the futures of the ones that I care most about (whether or not that has to be financial, is a matter of personal choice and values and is perhaps another debate).
I'm not at all comfortable with the materialistic element of today's society, but If I felt that I had a decision to make that could benefit my wife, myself and future generations, I would have to seriously consider forgoing my values and principles to make that happen, even if it's at the expense of professional relationships or public opinion (thankfully, I'm not in the public eye and can make endless cock-ups with only my wife's close, but loving scrutiny). Football is business, careers are short and there is very little loyalty in it (in my opinion) and that goes both ways. I'm sure he's been on the receiving end of that many a time over the past decade or so.
Throughout my journey (which, for context, has included three hours of therapy every week for almost a year), I'm realising that I need to look out for my own needs more, especially in cut throat industries where, in reality, people matter very little and are easily cast aside, once they've reached their sell-by date. Maybe part of this is me realising that I need to look after myself and those around me ahead of any job or employer (which for me, wouldn't necessarily be about money, particularly if I was already on a decent income. But each to their own).
As for the man in question, I actually never really took to him. I was one of the few people I knew that didn't heap praise on him for his perceived intelligence, charisma or charm. I just didn't warm to him for some reason. This is probably in part due to how I saw him acting on social media. But I'm owning that as my stuff. I just feel that there is always a reason for someone's behaviour and suspect that the social media persona and what looks like arrogant, "attention seeking" (a phrase I've grown to hate), self glorification is covering up some deep insecurity somewhere.
I know nothing about the business side of football and someone will probably be able to pick apart my simplistic view on things, so I'll be happy to be corrected. Just some thoughts that have been bouncing around.
A lot of thoughts floating around in my mind with all of this and it's turned into a bit of an essay, so feel free to indulge me and my somewhat mixed/ muddled reflections, if you so wish.
I've been through a bit of a crazy personal journey throughout the past 10 months and just feel slightly differently to most on this particular matter.
I've been absent from this forum throughout most of this period, but am not a WUM, honest.
Upon reflection on this person's behaviour and that decision, I, in some way can identify with what I suspect could be the motivation behind all of it.
I've been faced with a situation that has forced me to evaluate my priorities and values, and have realised that the most important thing to me is family. I have no kids, but am married and whilst I wouldn't see myself making the same decision, would do all that I could to ensure the security of the futures of the ones that I care most about (whether or not that has to be financial, is a matter of personal choice and values and is perhaps another debate).
I'm not at all comfortable with the materialistic element of today's society, but If I felt that if I had a decision to make that could benefit my wife, myself and future generations, I would have to seriously consider forgoing my values and principles to make that happen, even if it's at the expense of professional relationships or public opinion (thankfully, I'm not in the public eye and can make endless cock-ups with only my wife's close, but loving scrutiny). Football is business, careers are short and there is very little loyalty in it (in my opinion) and that goes both ways. I'm sure he's been on the receiving end of that many a time over the past decade or so.
Throughout my journey (which, for context, has included three hours of therapy every week for almost a year), I'm realising that I need to look out for my own needs more, especially in cut throat industries where, in reality, people matter very little and are easily cast aside, once they've reached their sell-by date. Maybe part of this is me realising that I need to look after myself and those around me ahead of any job or employer (which for me, wouldn't necessarily be about money, particularly if I was already on a decent income. But each to their own).
As for the man in question, I actually never really took to him. I was one of the few people I knew that didn't heap praise on him for his perceived intelligence, charisma or charm. I just didn't warm to him for some reason. This is probably in part due to how I saw him acting on social media. But I'm owning that as my stuff. I just feel that there is always a reason for someone's behaviour and suspect that the social media persona and what looks like arrogant, "attention seeking" (a phrase I've grown to hate), self glorification is covering up some deep insecurity somewhere.
I know nothing about the business side of football and someone will probably be able to pick apart my simplistic view on things, so I'll be happy to be corrected. Just some thoughts that have been bouncing around.
I come from it from a different angle than you in that I really thought he was a cut above the average footballer in terms of nous and "getting it" with what it meant for fans etc. Posted more than once he would go places and have a career outside of the game when he hung up his boots as he had a bit about him.
Same with my view on Southall etc I've learned I'm a piss poor judge of character.
He has no real interest in the game as he's stated before so surely money is his only real motivator in the move and the way he left. Surely players are insured in that if he had suffered a move- prohibiting injury he would have been far from the dole line.
Yes of course financial security and looking out for number one are important in a seemingly (at times) increasingly dog eat dog world ....but at what cost. He was an integral part of the team, a real goal threat and he could have honoured his contract and played the 3 remaining games and helped his teammates and Bowyer stay up....to secure the financial stability of his teammates and the staff (ie office staff) at the club.
He chose to look after number one with disregard for everyone else including the fans.
Yes it is naive to consider that players aren't in it for the money and there are no longer Steve Bulls knocking about sadly but he knows what he has done is out of order and money seemingly being the only justification to completely dishonour his contract and disrespect the club, his manager, teammates and fans is a pretty poor approach in my opinion. But we all have different values and outlooks and he'll unlikely be bothered by it when banging in the goals and counting his money whilst being lauded by the Notts Forest faithful who have developed convenient Van Hoijdonk amnesia with their views on the way he has acted.
Will always be thankful for the period he competed for us. Less forgiving for the manner in which he let his team-mates and manger down when it really mattered.
If Forest was always the big promised move then he didn’t cover himself in glory. When we all look back on the Covid period we might see a lot of strange actions performed across a number of industries.
Looking forward to a CAFC world under TS (hopefully) the recent relegation might not be the end of the world. We could have another day at Wembley under a bonkers owner who actually relishes the challenge of the Championship. For our younger supporters what better way to embed them in to following the Addicks?
Totally childish I know but I just hate him more than any player I can think of since I started going to football. I honestly hope he gets an injury in his first game that ends his career. The only shame in that will be missing out on the chance of him playing one more game at the Valley and losing the chance of giving him some well deserved abuse. This would be world class levels of abuse not seen before, and far above that dished out to Jermaine Defoe and Parker.
My first thoughts were of this happening next season in a cup tie. However, on second thoughts, I could picture him doing a Luton, feeding off the hate and completing his hat trick in front of the Covered End. This is even more probable as we always have a joke team out for cup ties and never really try.Can't have that! Revenge on that cnut must be sweet. Consequently perfect karma would be to hope TS takes over and we meet Cnut in four or five years time playing at the Valley for AFC Wimbledon as a washed up has been. We could just laugh at the slow old cart horse as he deliberately gets himself sent off just to try and get some attention in a 7-0 defeat. We could split our sides watching him trying to fight with the mascots as he literally disappeared forever down the player's tunnel never to be seen again.
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A lot of thoughts floating around in my mind with all of this and it's turned into a bit of an essay, so feel free to indulge me and my somewhat mixed/ muddled reflections, if you so wish.
I've been through a bit of a crazy personal journey throughout the past 10 months and just feel slightly differently to most on this particular matter.
I've been absent from this forum throughout most of this period, but am not a WUM, honest.
Upon reflection on this person's behaviour and that decision, I, in some way can identify with what I suspect could be the motivation behind all of it.
I've been faced with a situation that has forced me to evaluate my priorities and values, and have realised that the most important thing to me is family. I have no kids, but am married and whilst I wouldn't see myself making the same decision, would do all that I could to ensure the security of the futures of the ones that I care most about (whether or not that has to be financial, is a matter of personal choice and values and is perhaps another debate).
I'm not at all comfortable with the materialistic element of today's society, but If I felt that I had a decision to make that could benefit my wife, myself and future generations, I would have to seriously consider forgoing my values and principles to make that happen, even if it's at the expense of professional relationships or public opinion (thankfully, I'm not in the public eye and can make endless cock-ups with only my wife's close, but loving scrutiny). Football is business, careers are short and there is very little loyalty in it (in my opinion) and that goes both ways. I'm sure he's been on the receiving end of that many a time over the past decade or so.
Throughout my journey (which, for context, has included three hours of therapy every week for almost a year), I'm realising that I need to look out for my own needs more, especially in cut throat industries where, in reality, people matter very little and are easily cast aside, once they've reached their sell-by date. Maybe part of this is me realising that I need to look after myself and those around me ahead of any job or employer (which for me, wouldn't necessarily be about money, particularly if I was already on a decent income. But each to their own).
As for the man in question, I actually never really took to him. I was one of the few people I knew that didn't heap praise on him for his perceived intelligence, charisma or charm. I just didn't warm to him for some reason. This is probably in part due to how I saw him acting on social media. But I'm owning that as my stuff. I just feel that there is always a reason for someone's behaviour and suspect that the social media persona and what looks like arrogant, "attention seeking" (a phrase I've grown to hate), self glorification is covering up some deep insecurity somewhere.
I know nothing about the business side of football and someone will probably be able to pick apart my simplistic view on things, so I'll be happy to be corrected. Just some thoughts that have been bouncing around.
Addick in SW16.
I come from it from a different angle than you in that I really thought he was a cut above the average footballer in terms of nous and "getting it" with what it meant for fans etc. Posted more than once he would go places and have a career outside of the game when he hung up his boots as he had a bit about him.
Same with my view on Southall etc I've learned I'm a piss poor judge of character.
He has no real interest in the game as he's stated before so surely money is his only real motivator in the move and the way he left. Surely players are insured in that if he had suffered a move- prohibiting injury he would have been far from the dole line.
Yes of course financial security and looking out for number one are important in a seemingly (at times) increasingly dog eat dog world ....but at what cost. He was an integral part of the team, a real goal threat and he could have honoured his contract and played the 3 remaining games and helped his teammates and Bowyer stay up....to secure the financial stability of his teammates and the staff (ie office staff) at the club.
He chose to look after number one with disregard for everyone else including the fans.
Yes it is naive to consider that players aren't in it for the money and there are no longer Steve Bulls knocking about sadly but he knows what he has done is out of order and money seemingly being the only justification to completely dishonour his contract and disrespect the club, his manager, teammates and fans is a pretty poor approach in my opinion. But we all have different values and outlooks and he'll unlikely be bothered by it when banging in the goals and counting his money whilst being lauded by the Notts Forest faithful who have developed convenient Van Hoijdonk amnesia with their views on the way he has acted.
I didn't sleep for weeks
I agonised over the decision
It was horrible for me personally
But in the end I had to think what was best for me.
I hated seeing the club relegated it made me really upset
Charlton and the fans will always be in my heart
I wish them nothing but the best for the future
Why bother, f**k off Lyle no one cares
He knew he would get abuse for saying it then because we'd be hurting so kept quiet until a time he thought we'd no longer care
southall could have kept me
Looking forward to a CAFC world under TS (hopefully) the recent relegation might not be the end of the world. We could have another day at Wembley under a bonkers owner who actually relishes the challenge of the Championship. For our younger supporters what better way to embed them in to following the Addicks?
Dead to me...
My first thoughts were of this happening next season in a cup tie. However, on second thoughts, I could picture him doing a Luton, feeding off the hate and completing his hat trick in front of the Covered End. This is even more probable as we always have a joke team out for cup ties and never really try.Can't have that! Revenge on that cnut must be sweet. Consequently perfect karma would be to hope TS takes over and we meet Cnut in four or five years time playing at the Valley for AFC Wimbledon as a washed up has been. We could just laugh at the slow old cart horse as he deliberately gets himself sent off just to try and get some attention in a 7-0 defeat. We could split our sides watching him trying to fight with the mascots as he literally disappeared forever down the player's tunnel never to be seen again.